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Alright guys. Scarra is streaming and duoing with Nhat bot lane. Let's all go watch him instead of arguing about IWD.
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On December 05 2012 07:49 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:42 JBright wrote:On December 05 2012 07:34 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:30 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:29 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:24 thenexusp wrote:Riot has said that IWD was 300% more toxic than the next pro. Also, those of you who want dig to defend IWD will probably be disappointed: Today i was informed by riot that I will be suspended for 1 year of the Season 3 Championship Series. Although the ruling is extremely tough, I agree with riot that player sportsmanship is a serious matter and i want to apologize to anyone that i've offended in game and my fans. I fully understand that pro players are viewed as role models and should act accordingly. I'd like to thank my teammates and the whole Dignitas organization for the amazing year that i have spent with them and wish the team the best of luck going into season 3. Personally I will not let this end my dreams of being a professional league of legends player. During my suspension I intend to keep my mechanics in top form and remain a competitive jungler. After my suspension i hope to rejoin the championship series and once again compete at the highest level. League of Legends is my life, and i will do everything in my power to play as long as possible. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14a5ms/iwilldominate_banned_from_league_of_legends/c7b8mmq None of us have defended IWD's behavior, just the way Riot handled it all, so this doesn't really change much. Didn't Riot block a player (from Elo Hell or some other European team) because he was temp-banned for 2 weeks or something? I believe it was a one tournament suspension and I think his account might have been perma-banned as well. I'm trying to look up the details. That is the only precedent for this beforehand. Edit: Confirmed, Riot issued a one tournament ban for a permabanned account. Wait. So Riot's rulings aren't even consistent? Like, this guy gets perm banned and gets a one tournament ban. IWD gets perm banned and gets a one year ban? There is a difference though. All the teams playing in Season 3 will be contracted by Riot, which will undoubtedly include clauses where they will be punished for being banned by the tribunal. Season 2 was mainly a mesh of tournaments leading up to the big World Championships so Riot can at most ban him for the remainder of the season (August to October). iirc, Season 3 has it such that a few teams will go through relegation every 6 months so Riot essentially suspended IWD for 2 6 month "tournaments." I think a 6 month suspension should be good enough and it would be consistent with the Elohell guy suspension. I'd be fine with that if IWD signed his contract already and his contract outline that this was a possibility. Riot needs to have detailed expectations and explain the consequences of breaching them. It looks more like they decided, "hey instead of giving this guy a contract let's just ruin his career." Hosan got banned from regionals but had his team still somehow placed top three without him Riot would've either been forced to increase his ban or make him a salaried player. It's still an inconsistent ruling unless IWD was already making his Riot salary and had signed his contract. As far as I know the contracts for Season 3 haven't been signed yet. So they just threw him under the bus to avoid having to contract him at all.
If a company doesn't like the way someone behaves they're not going to hire him. IMO this is basically the same thing. They warned him 8 times already lol.
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Just got a smiteless blue leash in a bot game on WW. My jungling was sooo smooth :D
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On December 05 2012 07:49 c.Deadly wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:45 Serpico wrote:On December 05 2012 07:44 c.Deadly wrote:On December 05 2012 07:40 PrinceXizor wrote:On December 05 2012 07:38 ManyCookies wrote:
He went through Tribunal SEVEN times. I mean god damn, that seems like it'd be sufficient warning. going through the tribunal 7 times isn't exactly hard. especially if he went through when they were giving ip out. all it takes is 1 person reporting you every game (for taking their role, not holding their hand, pointing out a mistake) ect. and the tribunal sheep early on tended to spam vote yes for ip and bans. It's actually a rarity to be banned multiple times from the tribunal - Riot released some statistics awhile ago and less than 1% of players are banned multiple times by the tribunal. http://riot-web-static.s3.amazonaws.com/images/news/December_2011/2011_12_16_tribunal/Infographic_Tribunal.jpgHonestly if you even make the tribunal at all you're a toxic player imo - I've done my fair share of raging but haven't received as much as a warning for it. I can't imagine how much unbridled rage you'd have to make your team mates endure to even show up in the tribunal, let alone be banned. You're not a visible pro player though. Raging on a stream where more people can see you hurts riot more than you. Which is why punishments wouldn't be equal for you as opposed to him. I don't follow this logic at all - Riot said in their statement that IWD made the tribunal and was punished 8 times, the fact that he's a pro player has nothing to do with that. Are you saying that people report him more often because he's a visible pro?
You're still not getting it. It hurts riot's image if the players that people see the most make their community look bad. You aren't held to the same standard. Btw, getting warned or punished 8 times is absolutely irreverent. Banning people for this long is something you reserve solely for cheaters. If you cross the street illegally 8 times they don't ban you from walking on it.
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Some of the complainers sound like that person a couple weeks ago who asked about his ban and had no clue that he was being an asshole.
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EU NE is not connecting T.T did they patch NA already ?
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I'm on page 12 right now. Nothing interesting to reply to. This is just me leaving a bookmark.
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On December 05 2012 07:56 QuakerOats wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:49 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 JBright wrote:On December 05 2012 07:34 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:30 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:29 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:24 thenexusp wrote:Riot has said that IWD was 300% more toxic than the next pro. Also, those of you who want dig to defend IWD will probably be disappointed: Today i was informed by riot that I will be suspended for 1 year of the Season 3 Championship Series. Although the ruling is extremely tough, I agree with riot that player sportsmanship is a serious matter and i want to apologize to anyone that i've offended in game and my fans. I fully understand that pro players are viewed as role models and should act accordingly. I'd like to thank my teammates and the whole Dignitas organization for the amazing year that i have spent with them and wish the team the best of luck going into season 3. Personally I will not let this end my dreams of being a professional league of legends player. During my suspension I intend to keep my mechanics in top form and remain a competitive jungler. After my suspension i hope to rejoin the championship series and once again compete at the highest level. League of Legends is my life, and i will do everything in my power to play as long as possible. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14a5ms/iwilldominate_banned_from_league_of_legends/c7b8mmq None of us have defended IWD's behavior, just the way Riot handled it all, so this doesn't really change much. Didn't Riot block a player (from Elo Hell or some other European team) because he was temp-banned for 2 weeks or something? I believe it was a one tournament suspension and I think his account might have been perma-banned as well. I'm trying to look up the details. That is the only precedent for this beforehand. Edit: Confirmed, Riot issued a one tournament ban for a permabanned account. Wait. So Riot's rulings aren't even consistent? Like, this guy gets perm banned and gets a one tournament ban. IWD gets perm banned and gets a one year ban? There is a difference though. All the teams playing in Season 3 will be contracted by Riot, which will undoubtedly include clauses where they will be punished for being banned by the tribunal. Season 2 was mainly a mesh of tournaments leading up to the big World Championships so Riot can at most ban him for the remainder of the season (August to October). iirc, Season 3 has it such that a few teams will go through relegation every 6 months so Riot essentially suspended IWD for 2 6 month "tournaments." I think a 6 month suspension should be good enough and it would be consistent with the Elohell guy suspension. I'd be fine with that if IWD signed his contract already and his contract outline that this was a possibility. Riot needs to have detailed expectations and explain the consequences of breaching them. It looks more like they decided, "hey instead of giving this guy a contract let's just ruin his career." Hosan got banned from regionals but had his team still somehow placed top three without him Riot would've either been forced to increase his ban or make him a salaried player. It's still an inconsistent ruling unless IWD was already making his Riot salary and had signed his contract. As far as I know the contracts for Season 3 haven't been signed yet. So they just threw him under the bus to avoid having to contract him at all. If a company doesn't like the way someone behaves they're not going to hire him. IMO this is basically the same thing. They warned him 8 times already lol.
The problem with that is it illustrates the real issue. Riot has too much control over their scene. GSL wouldn't give a shit if IdrA BM'd people on B.net for example.
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wow my client said that contact with Maestro has been lost and just made me dodge a game..
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On December 05 2012 07:46 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:43 Seuss wrote:On December 05 2012 07:40 PrinceXizor wrote:On December 05 2012 07:38 ManyCookies wrote:
He went through Tribunal SEVEN times. I mean god damn, that seems like it'd be sufficient warning. going through the tribunal 7 times isn't exactly hard. especially if he went through when they were giving ip out. all it takes is 1 person reporting you every game (for taking their role, not holding their hand, pointing out a mistake) ect. and the tribunal sheep early on tended to spam vote yes for ip and bans. I've taken people's roles, pointed out mistakes, etc. for hundreds of games. It's entirely possible to do these things and not ever see a single email or peep out of the Tribunal. you weren't in a game with an entitled brat then. he could have been, you don't really know. I've been told i've been reported for "not helping in a team fight and assisting enemy team" by a jungler when i was protecting the carry the whole fight. so if i get queued up with the same guy multiple times and he reports me multiple times out of vengeance i have a shot at being on the tribunal. through no fault of anyone. it would be obvious now that people would vote against punishment in these cases, however why go through work when you get free ip for clicking punish.
It's been established that the so-called punish-spammers in tribunal are and were, in fact, more lenient than Riot's manual review.
99% of the time when people feel like they've been unjustly banned by tribunal because of punish-spammers, they are in fact actually toxic in-game and are somehow completely oblivious to the fact or try to justify it away ("calling him a feeder isn't flaming if it's true") ("I was not toxic in 3 of the 5 games linked in this report, unban pls")
Also, multiple people have asked about their report records because they play a game with ragers who said they'd report them for "being a scrub" or what not, and repeatedly Rioters have said that those accounts have no reports on them. Typically the toxic players who say they're going to report you either A) don't, or B) report so many players that the system has already learned to just throw out any reports they put in. The vast majority of players never even touch tribunal once (much less receive a warning from it), and you'd have to be doing something seriously wrong to go through it 7 times. To be honest most people who claim it easy to get into tribunal are toxic players who are trying to justify their warnings rather than make an effort to improve their behavior.
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On December 05 2012 07:59 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:49 c.Deadly wrote:On December 05 2012 07:45 Serpico wrote:On December 05 2012 07:44 c.Deadly wrote:On December 05 2012 07:40 PrinceXizor wrote:On December 05 2012 07:38 ManyCookies wrote:
He went through Tribunal SEVEN times. I mean god damn, that seems like it'd be sufficient warning. going through the tribunal 7 times isn't exactly hard. especially if he went through when they were giving ip out. all it takes is 1 person reporting you every game (for taking their role, not holding their hand, pointing out a mistake) ect. and the tribunal sheep early on tended to spam vote yes for ip and bans. It's actually a rarity to be banned multiple times from the tribunal - Riot released some statistics awhile ago and less than 1% of players are banned multiple times by the tribunal. http://riot-web-static.s3.amazonaws.com/images/news/December_2011/2011_12_16_tribunal/Infographic_Tribunal.jpgHonestly if you even make the tribunal at all you're a toxic player imo - I've done my fair share of raging but haven't received as much as a warning for it. I can't imagine how much unbridled rage you'd have to make your team mates endure to even show up in the tribunal, let alone be banned. You're not a visible pro player though. Raging on a stream where more people can see you hurts riot more than you. Which is why punishments wouldn't be equal for you as opposed to him. I don't follow this logic at all - Riot said in their statement that IWD made the tribunal and was punished 8 times, the fact that he's a pro player has nothing to do with that. Are you saying that people report him more often because he's a visible pro? You're still not getting it. It hurts riot's image if the players that people see the most make their community look bad. You aren't held to the same standard. Btw, getting warned or punished 8 times is absolutely irreverent. Banning people for this long is something you reserve solely for cheaters. If you cross the street illegally 8 times they don't ban you from walking on it.
I wasn't really commenting on that, just saying that being banned 8 times by the tribunal is really rare. Being a visible pro and reflecting on the community and the game are obviously things Riot should take into consideration when determining the punishment, but I never said anything about that. It's pretty obvious that Riot had to take some kind of action though, having a player be permanently banned but still competing in their tournament and being a toxic player on stream and at events makes them look like chumps. One year seems strict enough, like a lot of people have said in almost any other career you would not be able to get away with that kind of behavior with such a light punishment. The important thing is that it sets a precedent so other pro players with problematic attitudes can get their act together. It sucks for IWD that he had to be made an example of, but honestly he should have seen it coming.
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On December 05 2012 08:08 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:56 QuakerOats wrote:On December 05 2012 07:49 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 JBright wrote:On December 05 2012 07:34 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:30 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:29 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:24 thenexusp wrote:Riot has said that IWD was 300% more toxic than the next pro. Also, those of you who want dig to defend IWD will probably be disappointed: Today i was informed by riot that I will be suspended for 1 year of the Season 3 Championship Series. Although the ruling is extremely tough, I agree with riot that player sportsmanship is a serious matter and i want to apologize to anyone that i've offended in game and my fans. I fully understand that pro players are viewed as role models and should act accordingly. I'd like to thank my teammates and the whole Dignitas organization for the amazing year that i have spent with them and wish the team the best of luck going into season 3. Personally I will not let this end my dreams of being a professional league of legends player. During my suspension I intend to keep my mechanics in top form and remain a competitive jungler. After my suspension i hope to rejoin the championship series and once again compete at the highest level. League of Legends is my life, and i will do everything in my power to play as long as possible. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14a5ms/iwilldominate_banned_from_league_of_legends/c7b8mmq None of us have defended IWD's behavior, just the way Riot handled it all, so this doesn't really change much. Didn't Riot block a player (from Elo Hell or some other European team) because he was temp-banned for 2 weeks or something? I believe it was a one tournament suspension and I think his account might have been perma-banned as well. I'm trying to look up the details. That is the only precedent for this beforehand. Edit: Confirmed, Riot issued a one tournament ban for a permabanned account. Wait. So Riot's rulings aren't even consistent? Like, this guy gets perm banned and gets a one tournament ban. IWD gets perm banned and gets a one year ban? There is a difference though. All the teams playing in Season 3 will be contracted by Riot, which will undoubtedly include clauses where they will be punished for being banned by the tribunal. Season 2 was mainly a mesh of tournaments leading up to the big World Championships so Riot can at most ban him for the remainder of the season (August to October). iirc, Season 3 has it such that a few teams will go through relegation every 6 months so Riot essentially suspended IWD for 2 6 month "tournaments." I think a 6 month suspension should be good enough and it would be consistent with the Elohell guy suspension. I'd be fine with that if IWD signed his contract already and his contract outline that this was a possibility. Riot needs to have detailed expectations and explain the consequences of breaching them. It looks more like they decided, "hey instead of giving this guy a contract let's just ruin his career." Hosan got banned from regionals but had his team still somehow placed top three without him Riot would've either been forced to increase his ban or make him a salaried player. It's still an inconsistent ruling unless IWD was already making his Riot salary and had signed his contract. As far as I know the contracts for Season 3 haven't been signed yet. So they just threw him under the bus to avoid having to contract him at all. If a company doesn't like the way someone behaves they're not going to hire him. IMO this is basically the same thing. They warned him 8 times already lol. The problem with that is it illustrates the real issue. Riot has too much control over their scene. GSL wouldn't give a shit if IdrA BM'd people on B.net for example.
Has not idra toned down the BM quite a lot for sometime now? I haven't kept up too much on the sc2 scene.
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On December 05 2012 08:08 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:56 QuakerOats wrote:On December 05 2012 07:49 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 JBright wrote:On December 05 2012 07:34 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:30 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:29 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:24 thenexusp wrote:Riot has said that IWD was 300% more toxic than the next pro. Also, those of you who want dig to defend IWD will probably be disappointed: Today i was informed by riot that I will be suspended for 1 year of the Season 3 Championship Series. Although the ruling is extremely tough, I agree with riot that player sportsmanship is a serious matter and i want to apologize to anyone that i've offended in game and my fans. I fully understand that pro players are viewed as role models and should act accordingly. I'd like to thank my teammates and the whole Dignitas organization for the amazing year that i have spent with them and wish the team the best of luck going into season 3. Personally I will not let this end my dreams of being a professional league of legends player. During my suspension I intend to keep my mechanics in top form and remain a competitive jungler. After my suspension i hope to rejoin the championship series and once again compete at the highest level. League of Legends is my life, and i will do everything in my power to play as long as possible. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14a5ms/iwilldominate_banned_from_league_of_legends/c7b8mmq None of us have defended IWD's behavior, just the way Riot handled it all, so this doesn't really change much. Didn't Riot block a player (from Elo Hell or some other European team) because he was temp-banned for 2 weeks or something? I believe it was a one tournament suspension and I think his account might have been perma-banned as well. I'm trying to look up the details. That is the only precedent for this beforehand. Edit: Confirmed, Riot issued a one tournament ban for a permabanned account. Wait. So Riot's rulings aren't even consistent? Like, this guy gets perm banned and gets a one tournament ban. IWD gets perm banned and gets a one year ban? There is a difference though. All the teams playing in Season 3 will be contracted by Riot, which will undoubtedly include clauses where they will be punished for being banned by the tribunal. Season 2 was mainly a mesh of tournaments leading up to the big World Championships so Riot can at most ban him for the remainder of the season (August to October). iirc, Season 3 has it such that a few teams will go through relegation every 6 months so Riot essentially suspended IWD for 2 6 month "tournaments." I think a 6 month suspension should be good enough and it would be consistent with the Elohell guy suspension. I'd be fine with that if IWD signed his contract already and his contract outline that this was a possibility. Riot needs to have detailed expectations and explain the consequences of breaching them. It looks more like they decided, "hey instead of giving this guy a contract let's just ruin his career." Hosan got banned from regionals but had his team still somehow placed top three without him Riot would've either been forced to increase his ban or make him a salaried player. It's still an inconsistent ruling unless IWD was already making his Riot salary and had signed his contract. As far as I know the contracts for Season 3 haven't been signed yet. So they just threw him under the bus to avoid having to contract him at all. If a company doesn't like the way someone behaves they're not going to hire him. IMO this is basically the same thing. They warned him 8 times already lol. The problem with that is it illustrates the real issue. Riot has too much control over their scene. GSL wouldn't give a shit if IdrA BM'd people on B.net for example.
Competitive sc2 scene is 1v1. This game is 5v5. A huge part of the game is working with other people.
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On December 05 2012 08:11 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 08:08 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:56 QuakerOats wrote:On December 05 2012 07:49 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 JBright wrote:On December 05 2012 07:34 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:30 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:29 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 onlywonderboy wrote:None of us have defended IWD's behavior, just the way Riot handled it all, so this doesn't really change much. Didn't Riot block a player (from Elo Hell or some other European team) because he was temp-banned for 2 weeks or something? I believe it was a one tournament suspension and I think his account might have been perma-banned as well. I'm trying to look up the details. That is the only precedent for this beforehand. Edit: Confirmed, Riot issued a one tournament ban for a permabanned account. Wait. So Riot's rulings aren't even consistent? Like, this guy gets perm banned and gets a one tournament ban. IWD gets perm banned and gets a one year ban? There is a difference though. All the teams playing in Season 3 will be contracted by Riot, which will undoubtedly include clauses where they will be punished for being banned by the tribunal. Season 2 was mainly a mesh of tournaments leading up to the big World Championships so Riot can at most ban him for the remainder of the season (August to October). iirc, Season 3 has it such that a few teams will go through relegation every 6 months so Riot essentially suspended IWD for 2 6 month "tournaments." I think a 6 month suspension should be good enough and it would be consistent with the Elohell guy suspension. I'd be fine with that if IWD signed his contract already and his contract outline that this was a possibility. Riot needs to have detailed expectations and explain the consequences of breaching them. It looks more like they decided, "hey instead of giving this guy a contract let's just ruin his career." Hosan got banned from regionals but had his team still somehow placed top three without him Riot would've either been forced to increase his ban or make him a salaried player. It's still an inconsistent ruling unless IWD was already making his Riot salary and had signed his contract. As far as I know the contracts for Season 3 haven't been signed yet. So they just threw him under the bus to avoid having to contract him at all. If a company doesn't like the way someone behaves they're not going to hire him. IMO this is basically the same thing. They warned him 8 times already lol. The problem with that is it illustrates the real issue. Riot has too much control over their scene. GSL wouldn't give a shit if IdrA BM'd people on B.net for example. Has not idra toned down the BM quite a lot for sometime now? I haven't kept up too much on the sc2 scene.
Yeah but it took a very public incident that sir scoots said that he had to talk to idra about it. who knows what would have happened if riot just publicly sated that they expect change from him and that they're going to be getting serious on toxic pros in season 3 instead of just making an example of him.
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So is Machete+pots pretty much mandatory on every jungle?
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On December 05 2012 07:14 Xevious wrote:
lol this is a fucking joke
i don't even think i can describe how much of a fucking joke it really is, but i will try anyway
actually never mind i'm not going to, this is really sad though and i hope to god they contacted him directly multiple times and explained to him that his entire professional career as a video game player would be threatened if he didn't fix his shit
either way they could've disabled ranked games on his account for awhile or something, or even a one month ban or something...but this, this is just what the fuck. also lol at that post he "wrote" in his thread, odee probably wrote that for him o wait nvm odee doesn't have computer cuz computer burned down with his house
in other news spirit stones still suck
Are you kidding me? It's called a TOS agreement. There's also precedent for not allowing banned players to play in tournaments (but not to this magnitude). This isn't just a single ban, it's his 8th one. This is NOT a joke, and Riot is NOT outside their bounds to take action like this.
With Dignitas participating in S3, Riot is literally EMPLOYING its players. If this isn't fair grounds for termination of employment, I don't know what is. Riot has clearly put forth that they expect their professional players to set a good example for the rest of the LoL playerbase.
I just feel really bad for Dignitas (as an organization having to deal with this) and Odee (personally - this is just one more awful thing in a pile of awful things)
Crumbzz soloqueuing jungle - maybe dig will pick up a top laner instead of a jungler to replace, sending Crumbzz back to the jungle?
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How do you guys think this will affect amumu's jungle?
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On December 05 2012 08:14 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 08:08 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:56 QuakerOats wrote:On December 05 2012 07:49 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 JBright wrote:On December 05 2012 07:34 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:30 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:29 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 onlywonderboy wrote:None of us have defended IWD's behavior, just the way Riot handled it all, so this doesn't really change much. Didn't Riot block a player (from Elo Hell or some other European team) because he was temp-banned for 2 weeks or something? I believe it was a one tournament suspension and I think his account might have been perma-banned as well. I'm trying to look up the details. That is the only precedent for this beforehand. Edit: Confirmed, Riot issued a one tournament ban for a permabanned account. Wait. So Riot's rulings aren't even consistent? Like, this guy gets perm banned and gets a one tournament ban. IWD gets perm banned and gets a one year ban? There is a difference though. All the teams playing in Season 3 will be contracted by Riot, which will undoubtedly include clauses where they will be punished for being banned by the tribunal. Season 2 was mainly a mesh of tournaments leading up to the big World Championships so Riot can at most ban him for the remainder of the season (August to October). iirc, Season 3 has it such that a few teams will go through relegation every 6 months so Riot essentially suspended IWD for 2 6 month "tournaments." I think a 6 month suspension should be good enough and it would be consistent with the Elohell guy suspension. I'd be fine with that if IWD signed his contract already and his contract outline that this was a possibility. Riot needs to have detailed expectations and explain the consequences of breaching them. It looks more like they decided, "hey instead of giving this guy a contract let's just ruin his career." Hosan got banned from regionals but had his team still somehow placed top three without him Riot would've either been forced to increase his ban or make him a salaried player. It's still an inconsistent ruling unless IWD was already making his Riot salary and had signed his contract. As far as I know the contracts for Season 3 haven't been signed yet. So they just threw him under the bus to avoid having to contract him at all. If a company doesn't like the way someone behaves they're not going to hire him. IMO this is basically the same thing. They warned him 8 times already lol. The problem with that is it illustrates the real issue. Riot has too much control over their scene. GSL wouldn't give a shit if IdrA BM'd people on B.net for example. Competitive sc2 scene is 1v1. This game is 5v5. A huge part of the game is working with other people.
But IWD's issue wasn't his inability to work with his teammates. His issue was shit talking random people in solo queue games.
This whole thing is only a problem because Riot has full control over their game, the competitive scene, and now pays their players a salary. IWD might be the first person to be shafted like this but he certainly isn't going to be the last.
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I just realized.... Imagine hotshot jungling in the new jungle. The old jungle was too hard for him...imagine the new one! :O
lol....Good thing they put him in top lane again before s3.
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On December 05 2012 08:19 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 08:14 travis wrote:On December 05 2012 08:08 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:56 QuakerOats wrote:On December 05 2012 07:49 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:42 JBright wrote:On December 05 2012 07:34 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:30 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:29 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 onlywonderboy wrote:
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None of us have defended IWD's behavior, just the way Riot handled it all, so this doesn't really change much. Didn't Riot block a player (from Elo Hell or some other European team) because he was temp-banned for 2 weeks or something? I believe it was a one tournament suspension and I think his account might have been perma-banned as well. I'm trying to look up the details. That is the only precedent for this beforehand. Edit: Confirmed, Riot issued a one tournament ban for a permabanned account. Wait. So Riot's rulings aren't even consistent? Like, this guy gets perm banned and gets a one tournament ban. IWD gets perm banned and gets a one year ban? There is a difference though. All the teams playing in Season 3 will be contracted by Riot, which will undoubtedly include clauses where they will be punished for being banned by the tribunal. Season 2 was mainly a mesh of tournaments leading up to the big World Championships so Riot can at most ban him for the remainder of the season (August to October). iirc, Season 3 has it such that a few teams will go through relegation every 6 months so Riot essentially suspended IWD for 2 6 month "tournaments." I think a 6 month suspension should be good enough and it would be consistent with the Elohell guy suspension. I'd be fine with that if IWD signed his contract already and his contract outline that this was a possibility. Riot needs to have detailed expectations and explain the consequences of breaching them. It looks more like they decided, "hey instead of giving this guy a contract let's just ruin his career." Hosan got banned from regionals but had his team still somehow placed top three without him Riot would've either been forced to increase his ban or make him a salaried player. It's still an inconsistent ruling unless IWD was already making his Riot salary and had signed his contract. As far as I know the contracts for Season 3 haven't been signed yet. So they just threw him under the bus to avoid having to contract him at all. If a company doesn't like the way someone behaves they're not going to hire him. IMO this is basically the same thing. They warned him 8 times already lol. The problem with that is it illustrates the real issue. Riot has too much control over their scene. GSL wouldn't give a shit if IdrA BM'd people on B.net for example. Competitive sc2 scene is 1v1. This game is 5v5. A huge part of the game is working with other people. But IWD's issue wasn't his inability to work with his teammates. His issue was shit talking random people in solo queue games. This whole thing is only a problem because Riot has full control over their game, the competitive scene, and now pays their players a salary. IWD might be the first person to be shafted like this but he certainly isn't going to be the last.
Firstly that's not what the reason for the ban claimed. It claimed much more than you are saying.
Also, "shafted"? That's hilarious. If you are a professional you can't act like that..
Try working any, ANY job where you are reliant on someone else and act like that. This is not unfair at all. Harsh maybe but to call it unfair would be a complete misuse of the word unfair.
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