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Riot sees itself as something "more" than a game provider, and this is the main issue. Rather than just banning an account that has X$ and Y Hours invested in it, they go out of their way to shut down IWD. The punishment of just perma-ing an account is already big enough as it is, but to go out of their way to completely banning out IWD is a bit ridiculous.
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On December 05 2012 07:28 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:24 thenexusp wrote:Riot has said that IWD was 300% more toxic than the next pro. Also, those of you who want dig to defend IWD will probably be disappointed: Today i was informed by riot that I will be suspended for 1 year of the Season 3 Championship Series. Although the ruling is extremely tough, I agree with riot that player sportsmanship is a serious matter and i want to apologize to anyone that i've offended in game and my fans. I fully understand that pro players are viewed as role models and should act accordingly. I'd like to thank my teammates and the whole Dignitas organization for the amazing year that i have spent with them and wish the team the best of luck going into season 3. Personally I will not let this end my dreams of being a professional league of legends player. During my suspension I intend to keep my mechanics in top form and remain a competitive jungler. After my suspension i hope to rejoin the championship series and once again compete at the highest level. League of Legends is my life, and i will do everything in my power to play as long as possible. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14a5ms/iwilldominate_banned_from_league_of_legends/c7b8mmq None of us have defended IWD's behavior, just the way Riot handled it all, so this doesn't really change much.
Didn't Riot block a player (from Elo Hell or some other European team) because he was temp-banned for 2 weeks or something?
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On December 05 2012 07:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Riot sees itself as something "more" than a game provider, and this is the main issue. Rather than just banning an account that has X$ and Y Hours invested in it, they go out of their way to shut down IWD. The punishment of just perma-ing an account is already big enough as it is, but to go out of their way to completely banning out IWD is a bit ridiculous.
Except they're banning him from the tournament they run, because they are more than a game provider? Especially with the salary thing coming down the pipes.
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oh wow this game really sucks now. This patch was such a step in the wrong direction. Dont have time to go into detail now but im sure you know what I mean.
Decreased role of jungle
More passivity
Terrible interface
Worse Shop
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On December 05 2012 07:27 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:25 smOOthMayDie wrote:
In other news Elementz is back as #1 support with Crs What really? Where's the source on this!
St vicious/voyboy stream
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On December 05 2012 07:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Riot sees itself as something "more" than a game provider, and this is the main issue. Rather than just banning an account that has X$ and Y Hours invested in it, they go out of their way to shut down IWD. The punishment of just perma-ing an account is already big enough as it is, but to go out of their way to completely banning out IWD is a bit ridiculous.
They didn't completely ban IWD. They are saying if he wants to, he can come back in a year.
Usually when Riot perm-bans a "commoner", they say something like "don't play LoL ever again". If anything I feel he walked out lightly.
On December 05 2012 07:30 smOOthMayDie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:27 Numy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:25 smOOthMayDie wrote:
In other news Elementz is back as #1 support with Crs What really? Where's the source on this! St vicious/voyboy stream
I don't understand. I think Rhux performed well and Elementz is ... well, Elementz.
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On December 05 2012 07:29 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:28 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:24 thenexusp wrote:Riot has said that IWD was 300% more toxic than the next pro. Also, those of you who want dig to defend IWD will probably be disappointed: Today i was informed by riot that I will be suspended for 1 year of the Season 3 Championship Series. Although the ruling is extremely tough, I agree with riot that player sportsmanship is a serious matter and i want to apologize to anyone that i've offended in game and my fans. I fully understand that pro players are viewed as role models and should act accordingly. I'd like to thank my teammates and the whole Dignitas organization for the amazing year that i have spent with them and wish the team the best of luck going into season 3. Personally I will not let this end my dreams of being a professional league of legends player. During my suspension I intend to keep my mechanics in top form and remain a competitive jungler. After my suspension i hope to rejoin the championship series and once again compete at the highest level. League of Legends is my life, and i will do everything in my power to play as long as possible. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14a5ms/iwilldominate_banned_from_league_of_legends/c7b8mmq None of us have defended IWD's behavior, just the way Riot handled it all, so this doesn't really change much. Didn't Riot block a player (from Elo Hell or some other European team) because he was temp-banned for 2 weeks or something?
I believe it was a one tournament suspension and I think his account might have been perma-banned as well. I'm trying to look up the details. That is the only precedent for this beforehand.
Edit:Confirmed, Riot issued a one tournament ban for a permabanned account.
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Why is Rhux no longer on Curse.NAs roster. Did he not want to move into the team house or something?
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Probably some combination of Rhux not wanting to move into the house and Saint lobbying for "his boy Elementz" no matter how awful Elementz plays.
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On December 05 2012 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Riot sees itself as something "more" than a game provider, and this is the main issue. Rather than just banning an account that has X$ and Y Hours invested in it, they go out of their way to shut down IWD. The punishment of just perma-ing an account is already big enough as it is, but to go out of their way to completely banning out IWD is a bit ridiculous. They didn't completely ban IWD. They are saying if he wants to, he can come back in a year. Usually when Riot perm-bans a "commoner", they say something like "don't play LoL ever again". If anything I feel he walked out lightly. Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:30 smOOthMayDie wrote:On December 05 2012 07:27 Numy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:25 smOOthMayDie wrote:
In other news Elementz is back as #1 support with Crs What really? Where's the source on this! St vicious/voyboy stream I don't understand. I think Rhux performed well and Elementz is ... well, Elementz.
Actually...he kinda threw away multiple games by face checking and giving away free kills.
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Going to test out noct build in a real game. machete->vamp->finish tank spirit stone+zerks->hydra->aegis/bulwark-> randuins ->??? gives absolutely ridiculous stats for him. Since he already has a massive AD steroid, AA reset and cleave damage and lifesteal just seems to give him everything he could want, and then you just build pure tank from there on out, and you're damage doesn't really fall off. Maybe last item LW? or maybe ghostblade or else GA if you really need it. Build seems fairly smooth against bots.
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On December 05 2012 07:27 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:25 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:21 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:08 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 07:03 Roffles wrote:
IWD is a toxic player, no doubt about that. But there are plenty of professional players on teams that also have a toxic attitude in solo queue. You can start with like the entirety of TD and like half of M5. Hell, M5 was even courteous enough to talk shit and tell the opposing team to shut the fuck up in a tournament game. Why are they still playing? You'd think they'd axe someone who talked shit in a professional setting before they looked at solo queue, right????
Very disappointing news to me. Although this gives Dignitas the chance to pick up someone who's actually good at jungling. HotshotGG, saintvicious, imaqtpie, TD and members of M5 as you've said, Reginald, Doublelift... There are so many players who have made the competitive scene look worse than IWD. Which is why this punishment makes so little sense to me. So I can be a dick on a public stage and make the entire scene look bad but if I do it multiple times out of the public spotlight it's going to get me banned for a year? On December 05 2012 07:04 Sermokala wrote:On December 05 2012 07:02 rewired wrote:
Soooo Quantic just imploded, and they picked up a LoL team basically like a week ago, where do you think they goin next? They picked up a lol team? I never heard of this. And thinking now they should have probably issued a public warning to him before delivering a full year suspension. this is basicaly killing his carrer and even if its a statement ban its really overkill. It isn't basically killing his career. His career is over lol. No one is gonna pick him up a year from now and he won't really be able to practice for the next month or so while he levels a brand new account and gets it to high Elo again. Not to mention he probably had no plans for college because he was suppose to be getting a Riot salary within like a month. Maybe Dignitas will keep him on as a sub even if he can't play? But that would basically be a handicap to the team just to do something nice. On December 05 2012 07:06 Doctorbeat wrote:On December 05 2012 07:00 overt wrote:On December 05 2012 06:53 dottycakes wrote:On December 05 2012 06:50 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 06:48 Numy wrote:On December 05 2012 06:43 Roffles wrote:
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Cause roiding up and cheating is clearly at the same level of punishment as taunting other people in game. Yes, I understand he's a repeat offender, but at worst I'd equate his actions to someone talking shit all game in a basketball game. Equate him to say a Rasheed Wallace, someone known for talking shit all game long. Yes, he gets his fair share of suspensions because of his piss poor behavior on the court, but would you ever suspend him a year because he wanted to talk shit at refs and other players and yell "BALL DONT LIE" all game long?
Can't say I agree with Riot at all on this one, even though I think it makes Dignitas a stronger team. You can't somehow make analogies like that since this has nothing to do with in a competitive game. If you want to do it your way it would be more akin to this Rasheed Wallace person playing basketball games with fans and shit talking them constantly/poor behaviour. There's a difference between talking his to your competition in a game and to others. That analogy doesn't work either, a pro basketball player isn't going to get suspended for kicking a bunch of random people's asses in a pick-up game and talking shit the entire time. If he was suspended for that exact thing it would be closer to this situation. Actually, NBA players get fined often for speaking unfavorable quotes to the public. If a player were to constantly be out in the public making the league look bad (trash talking pick up games), I wouldn't be surprised if they suspended the player for a long period either. Edit: Though I'm not saying what Riot did was right or fair. It does seem too harsh IMO. I have never in my life heard of a player in the NBA get in trouble for shit talking during a pick up game. This is ridiculous. It completely ruins IWD's career. Not because he acted unprofessionally in a competitive setting or in a public interview but during his solo queue games that he didn't even stream he acted like a dick. I don't care if he was an asshole in one thousand solo queue games it isn't grounds to not allow someone to play competitively. I respectfully disagree. LoL differs from other sports by having a central organ for both amateur and competitive play (Riot), and they make the rules. The rules are that you adhere to the Summoner's Code at all times, not just in your competitive matches. In most sports you wouldn't be banned from competitive play for being an ass, but other sports are different in organization. As far as this ruining his career, he should've thought about that after being warned about permbanning 8 times. Imo Riot has been fairly lenient, they dish out the perm bans way faster to non-pros. The problem is that Riot shouldn't have full control over their scene. They control too much. They're the judge jury and executioner. If this happened in StarCraft Blizzard could just ban a player from their server but that wouldn't ruin the player's competitive career. They could make a new account, play on a different server, or whatever. Did HotshotGG, saintvicious, imaqtpie, TD, Reginald, Doublelift, etc. get perm-banned? I think calling every player trash, streaming yourself screaming at a random solo queue player, raging at your teammates on stream like a child, or any number of other things those guys have done on the public stage makes the scene look a lot worse than another player getting a perm ban. When someone tells me that League pro got perm banned and another League pro streamed himself ranking girls who play League by their looks I'm probably gonna think worse on the guy who's ranking chicks than the guy who got perm banned. Regardless it's irrelevant because in any other eSport IWD being perm banned wouldn't have hurt his competitive career. Just to be clear, did they do it on stream or in chat?
It doesn't matter because Riot has said before they can ban pros who behave poorly on stream. See the game where they banned saint for following someone around in the jungle.
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On December 05 2012 07:32 smOOthMayDie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Riot sees itself as something "more" than a game provider, and this is the main issue. Rather than just banning an account that has X$ and Y Hours invested in it, they go out of their way to shut down IWD. The punishment of just perma-ing an account is already big enough as it is, but to go out of their way to completely banning out IWD is a bit ridiculous. They didn't completely ban IWD. They are saying if he wants to, he can come back in a year. Usually when Riot perm-bans a "commoner", they say something like "don't play LoL ever again". If anything I feel he walked out lightly. On December 05 2012 07:30 smOOthMayDie wrote:On December 05 2012 07:27 Numy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:25 smOOthMayDie wrote:
In other news Elementz is back as #1 support with Crs What really? Where's the source on this! St vicious/voyboy stream I don't understand. I think Rhux performed well and Elementz is ... well, Elementz. Actually...he kinda threw away multiple games by face checking and giving away free kills.
Things Elementz does for 500, Alex.
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On December 05 2012 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Riot sees itself as something "more" than a game provider, and this is the main issue. Rather than just banning an account that has X$ and Y Hours invested in it, they go out of their way to shut down IWD. The punishment of just perma-ing an account is already big enough as it is, but to go out of their way to completely banning out IWD is a bit ridiculous. They didn't completely ban IWD. They are saying if he wants to, he can come back in a year. Usually when Riot perm-bans a "commoner", they say something like "don't play LoL ever again". If anything I feel he walked out lightly. Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:30 smOOthMayDie wrote:On December 05 2012 07:27 Numy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:25 smOOthMayDie wrote:
In other news Elementz is back as #1 support with Crs What really? Where's the source on this! St vicious/voyboy stream I don't understand. I think Rhux performed well and Elementz is ... well, Elementz.
It's a 1 year ban, that's huge. I guarantee you that IWD would prefer his main + current smurfs, permabanned, rather than 1 year ban on everything. Especially as a pro-player.
I always thought Rhux was more of a mercenary used for ipl5, not really meant as a long term team member.
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On December 05 2012 07:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Riot sees itself as something "more" than a game provider, and this is the main issue. Rather than just banning an account that has X$ and Y Hours invested in it, they go out of their way to shut down IWD. The punishment of just perma-ing an account is already big enough as it is, but to go out of their way to completely banning out IWD is a bit ridiculous. Except they're banning him from the tournament they run, because they are more than a game provider? Especially with the salary thing coming down the pipes.
Except they're trying to hurt someone's career purposefully. They're far out of line. They don't understand what they're doing.
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On December 05 2012 07:30 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:29 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:24 thenexusp wrote:Riot has said that IWD was 300% more toxic than the next pro. Also, those of you who want dig to defend IWD will probably be disappointed: Today i was informed by riot that I will be suspended for 1 year of the Season 3 Championship Series. Although the ruling is extremely tough, I agree with riot that player sportsmanship is a serious matter and i want to apologize to anyone that i've offended in game and my fans. I fully understand that pro players are viewed as role models and should act accordingly. I'd like to thank my teammates and the whole Dignitas organization for the amazing year that i have spent with them and wish the team the best of luck going into season 3. Personally I will not let this end my dreams of being a professional league of legends player. During my suspension I intend to keep my mechanics in top form and remain a competitive jungler. After my suspension i hope to rejoin the championship series and once again compete at the highest level. League of Legends is my life, and i will do everything in my power to play as long as possible. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14a5ms/iwilldominate_banned_from_league_of_legends/c7b8mmq None of us have defended IWD's behavior, just the way Riot handled it all, so this doesn't really change much. Didn't Riot block a player (from Elo Hell or some other European team) because he was temp-banned for 2 weeks or something? I believe it was a one tournament suspension and I think his account might have been perma-banned as well. I'm trying to look up the details. That is the only precedent for this beforehand. Edit: Confirmed, Riot issued a one tournament ban for a permabanned account.
Wait. So Riot's rulings aren't even consistent? Like, this guy gets perm banned and gets a one tournament ban. IWD gets perm banned and gets a one year ban?
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On December 05 2012 07:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:32 smOOthMayDie wrote:On December 05 2012 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Riot sees itself as something "more" than a game provider, and this is the main issue. Rather than just banning an account that has X$ and Y Hours invested in it, they go out of their way to shut down IWD. The punishment of just perma-ing an account is already big enough as it is, but to go out of their way to completely banning out IWD is a bit ridiculous. They didn't completely ban IWD. They are saying if he wants to, he can come back in a year. Usually when Riot perm-bans a "commoner", they say something like "don't play LoL ever again". If anything I feel he walked out lightly. On December 05 2012 07:30 smOOthMayDie wrote:On December 05 2012 07:27 Numy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:25 smOOthMayDie wrote:
In other news Elementz is back as #1 support with Crs What really? Where's the source on this! St vicious/voyboy stream I don't understand. I think Rhux performed well and Elementz is ... well, Elementz. Actually...he kinda threw away multiple games by face checking and giving away free kills. Things Elementz does for 500, Alex.
I dont think people give enough credit to Elementz, he's improved a metric shit ton and is better than a lot of supports in the NA scene, the days of him being considered "bad" are pretty much over, the only ones that think otherwise are still stuck in the mentality of 6 months ago and havent been paying attention. He's been making great plays.
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On December 05 2012 07:34 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:30 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:29 Sufficiency wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2012 07:24 thenexusp wrote:Riot has said that IWD was 300% more toxic than the next pro. Also, those of you who want dig to defend IWD will probably be disappointed: Today i was informed by riot that I will be suspended for 1 year of the Season 3 Championship Series. Although the ruling is extremely tough, I agree with riot that player sportsmanship is a serious matter and i want to apologize to anyone that i've offended in game and my fans. I fully understand that pro players are viewed as role models and should act accordingly. I'd like to thank my teammates and the whole Dignitas organization for the amazing year that i have spent with them and wish the team the best of luck going into season 3. Personally I will not let this end my dreams of being a professional league of legends player. During my suspension I intend to keep my mechanics in top form and remain a competitive jungler. After my suspension i hope to rejoin the championship series and once again compete at the highest level. League of Legends is my life, and i will do everything in my power to play as long as possible. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14a5ms/iwilldominate_banned_from_league_of_legends/c7b8mmq None of us have defended IWD's behavior, just the way Riot handled it all, so this doesn't really change much. Didn't Riot block a player (from Elo Hell or some other European team) because he was temp-banned for 2 weeks or something? I believe it was a one tournament suspension and I think his account might have been perma-banned as well. I'm trying to look up the details. That is the only precedent for this beforehand. Edit: Confirmed, Riot issued a one tournament ban for a permabanned account. Wait. So Riot's rulings aren't even consistent? Like, this guy gets perm banned and gets a one tournament ban. IWD gets perm banned and gets a one year ban?
Yea I bumped that post. Let the shitstorm commence!
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Why are you making shitty basketball comparisons. If you get banned from playing basketball you can still pratice and stay in shape. You aren't barred from improving so when your suspension from playing official games is up you can come back even stronger than before. Additionally the punishments are rarely if ever so severely long. IWD now can not only not play in competitive league, but by being banned he can't even practice his mechanics or play at all. His career in LoL is literally gone because he raged in solo q. That's just fucked up.
Riot should have just suspeded him for a few months at max. :/
I hate ragers but it's ridic what riot is doing.
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On December 05 2012 07:34 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 07:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:On December 05 2012 07:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Riot sees itself as something "more" than a game provider, and this is the main issue. Rather than just banning an account that has X$ and Y Hours invested in it, they go out of their way to shut down IWD. The punishment of just perma-ing an account is already big enough as it is, but to go out of their way to completely banning out IWD is a bit ridiculous. Except they're banning him from the tournament they run, because they are more than a game provider? Especially with the salary thing coming down the pipes. Except they're trying to hurt someone's career purposefully. They're far out of line. They don't understand what they're doing.
I'm pretty sure they do. They're perfectly in line to not allow someone to play in their tournament and on their game after he's purposefully broke the rules he agreed to uphold time and time again. I'm not sure you get how the employment works if you think someone having a career makes them exempt from behaving better.
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