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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:37 Xacez wrote: Obviously, the solution to fixing the ArP problem, AD Casters and Black Cleavers is to add an item that causes True Damage. It should also reset all your cooldowns on kill or assist. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:12 onlywonderboy wrote: Or you can just take a screen shot of the client and e-mail it directly to Riot. The Tribunal won't see the pre-game chat anyway, and this way you don't have to play a game that you know probably won't be fun. I am almost 100% sure that Riot wouldn't do anything about it, because it takes too much manpower to verify the claims. Also, such bans encourages more people to report this way instead of the Tribunal. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:43 Requizen wrote: It should also reset all your cooldowns on kill or assist. Actually, an item that does true damage based on the target's armor isn't a terrible idea imo. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22679 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:47 Sufficiency wrote: Actually, an item that does true damage based on the target's armor isn't a terrible idea imo. The problem with an AD caster item is that it shouldnt be OP for AD Carries. % of your dmg as true dmg but an attack speed slow on yourself! | ||
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:49 Gorsameth wrote: The problem with an AD caster item is that it shouldnt be OP for AD Carries. % of your dmg as true dmg but an attack speed slow on yourself! Or simply Tiamat/Ravenous Hydra treatment. Regardless, it might be worth exploring. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
+35 attack damage +200 health +15 armor penetration Your physical damage skills make the target bleed for 5% of their current HP over 3 seconds. If their movement is impaired, they take double damage from this effect. Multi target or periodic effects deals 2.5% over 1.5 seconds. 300 max damage vs. monsters. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:55 Ketara wrote: Here's a great AD Caster item: +35 attack damage +200 health +15 armor penetration Your physical damage skills make the target bleed for 5% of their current HP over 3 seconds. If their movement is impaired, they take double damage from this effect. Multi target or periodic effects deals 2.5% over 1.5 seconds. 300 max damage vs. monsters. non-unique passive, right?  | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
Also, regarding liandry's on teemo: I'm not fully convinced liandry passive was overpowered on teemo but more that people realized that itemizing penetration onto a skill with insane base damage (200/400/600, about to be nerfed) is a good idea | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:55 Ketara wrote: Here's a great AD Caster item: +35 attack damage +200 health +15 armor penetration Your physical damage skills make the target bleed for 5% of their current HP over 3 seconds. If their movement is impaired, they take double damage from this effect. Multi target or periodic effects deals 2.5% over 1.5 seconds. 300 max damage vs. monsters. Or just make Black Cleaver's %arp decay over hits aka. you shred X%armor decaying for each additional hit over Y seconds. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:46 Sufficiency wrote: I am almost 100% sure that Riot wouldn't do anything about it, because it takes too much manpower to verify the claims. Also, such bans encourages more people to report this way instead of the Tribunal. I mean "Report a player" is an option when you're filling out the ticket, unless it's just a placebo effect. If so that's kind of shitty. Riot knows trolling happens pre and post game, currently submitting the ticket with a screenshot is the only way to do anything about it. Also for what it's worth, when Smash was streaming the other day and he went out of his way to submit a screenshot in addition to the regular report, and that's coming from someone who works at Riot. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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101toss
3232 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:28 Ketara wrote: I'd love to see some math on why Liandry's is bad. (Because it's not) It's just bad as a first major item generally. Depending on champion, as a 4th or 5th major item I think it's amaaaaaaziiiiiing. If you need to finish guise into another item it's fine (like old bruta->gb) If you buy it straight up, you pay around 500g for the passive (the stats on liandry's are almost equivalent to guise). If you're talking about teemo, his dot messes up liandry's (courtesy of monty) and you aren't getting the full damage out of it. Additionally, liandry's works optimally when champions are at full health and there's time for the passive to work. Unfortunately, the goal of a lot of ap's is to burst down a particular target, which makes liandry's suboptimal, especially if rushing it. | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
Just make sure to provide every information and explain the case clearly so that they dont have to spend more time than needed. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 13 2012 07:32 101toss wrote: If you need to finish guise into another item it's fine (like old bruta->gb) If you buy it straight up, you pay around 500g for the passive (the stats on liandry's are almost equivalent to guise). If you're talking about teemo, his dot messes up liandry's (courtesy of monty) and you aren't getting the full damage out of it. Additionally, liandry's works optimally when champions are at full health and there's time for the passive to work. Unfortunately, the goal of a lot of ap's is to burst down a particular target, which makes liandry's suboptimal, especially if rushing it. Rushing it is not great, totally agree there. But the thing that makes it obnoxious on Teemo is the shrooms. I know it sounds obvious, but damn, if a Teemo with Liandry's gets inside you jungle it's annoying. As a support you can lose almost half of your health from one shroom, forcing you to back. And you are usually high health when in your own jungle. The ability to afk send people back to base and remove their presence from the map is silly. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On December 13 2012 07:32 101toss wrote: If you need to finish guise into another item it's fine (like old bruta->gb) If you buy it straight up, you pay around 500g for the passive (the stats on liandry's are almost equivalent to guise). If you're talking about teemo, his dot messes up liandry's (courtesy of monty) and you aren't getting the full damage out of it. Additionally, liandry's works optimally when champions are at full health and there's time for the passive to work. Unfortunately, the goal of a lot of ap's is to burst down a particular target, which makes liandry's suboptimal, especially if rushing it. Yeah, it's obviously not good for burst damage APs. It's good for sustained damage APs, like: Teemo Ziggs Karthus Zyra Cassiopeia Just because it's often not doing full damage, doesn't mean it's not doing damage. The thing has 70 AP on it, and magic pen, and HP. What item are you comparing it to? It's not gonna give you as much damage as a deathcap, but depending on the champion it's going to be doing damage, on top of its other stats (which are really pretty good) I'd challenge you to give me a 3 item combination for any of the above champions that will do more damage than Deathcap + Liandry's + Void Staff late game. It's not a good first item. That doesn't mean it's a bad item. Not many champions get Last Whisper as their first major item either, that doesn't mean it's bad. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:49 Gorsameth wrote: The problem with an AD caster item is that it shouldnt be OP for AD Carries. % of your dmg as true dmg but an attack speed slow on yourself! I don't see how % of target's armor as true damage is abuseable on an ADC. Make it, say, 25% of target's armor as true damage when you deal physical damage to the target, 2 seconds CD. | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
Sorcs 2x Dring Guise Dcap Voidstaff then usually dump money into upping guise/blue pot. Plants that light people on fire are... entertaining. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On December 13 2012 07:53 Ketara wrote: Yeah, it's obviously not good for burst damage APs. It's good for sustained damage APs, like: Teemo Ziggs Karthus Zyra Cassiopeia Just because it's often not doing full damage, doesn't mean it's not doing damage. The thing has 70 AP on it, and magic pen, and HP. What item are you comparing it to? It's not gonna give you as much damage as a deathcap, but depending on the champion it's going to be doing damage, on top of its other stats (which are really pretty good) I'd challenge you to give me a 3 item combination for any of the above champions that will do more damage than Deathcap + Liandry's + Void Staff late game. It's not a good first item. That doesn't mean it's a bad item. Not many champions get Last Whisper as their first major item either, that doesn't mean it's bad. mixed on how good it would be on cassio, she has a slow in her kit, so thats good, but her E is specifically coded as AoE in the game to prevent her from being able to abuse early Rylai's so even if slow'd you are only getting 3 tics hard to say, E range works with abyssal so you could go for a flat pen build but it's not "Amazing" on her either. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On December 13 2012 07:53 Ketara wrote: Just because it's often not doing full damage, doesn't mean it's not doing damage. The thing has 70 AP on it, and magic pen, and HP. What item are you comparing it to? Haunting guise. 200hp? Check 15mpen? Check 25ap? Not enough here, but toss on a blasting wand (only 860g) and you've got around the same ap. That means you get 600g to spend on another item that does more damage (plus that bwand actually builds into core items for all casters). People confuse teemo shrooms retarded base damage with liandry's damage and it's making me sad  | ||
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