[Patch 1.0.0.152: Preseason 3] General Discussion - Page 189

On December 13 2012 06:37 Xacez wrote:
Obviously, the solution to fixing the ArP problem, AD Casters and Black Cleavers is to add an item that causes True Damage.

On December 13 2012 06:12 onlywonderboy wrote:

Or you can just take a screen shot of the client and e-mail it directly to Riot. The Tribunal won't see the pre-game chat anyway, and this way you don't have to play a game that you know probably won't be fun.

On December 13 2012 06:43 Requizen wrote:

It should also reset all your cooldowns on kill or assist.

On December 13 2012 06:47 Sufficiency wrote:


Actually, an item that does true damage based on the target's armor isn't a terrible idea imo.

On December 13 2012 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:


The problem with an AD caster item is that it shouldnt be OP for AD Carries.

% of your dmg as true dmg but an attack speed slow on yourself!

On December 13 2012 06:55 Ketara wrote:
Here's a great AD Caster item:

+35 attack damage
+200 health
+15 armor penetration

Your physical damage skills make the target bleed for 5% of their current HP over 3 seconds. If their movement is impaired, they take double damage from this effect. Multi target or periodic effects deals 2.5% over 1.5 seconds. 300 max damage vs. monsters.

On December 13 2012 06:55 Ketara wrote:
Here's a great AD Caster item:

+35 attack damage
+200 health
+15 armor penetration

Your physical damage skills make the target bleed for 5% of their current HP over 3 seconds. If their movement is impaired, they take double damage from this effect. Multi target or periodic effects deals 2.5% over 1.5 seconds. 300 max damage vs. monsters.

On December 13 2012 06:46 Sufficiency wrote:


I am almost 100% sure that Riot wouldn't do anything about it, because it takes too much manpower to verify the claims. Also, such bans encourages more people to report this way instead of the Tribunal.

On December 13 2012 06:28 Ketara wrote:
I'd love to see some math on why Liandry's is bad.

(Because it's not)

It's just bad as a first major item generally. Depending on champion, as a 4th or 5th major item I think it's amaaaaaaziiiiiing.

On December 13 2012 07:32 101toss wrote:

If you need to finish guise into another item it's fine (like old bruta->gb)

If you buy it straight up, you pay around 500g for the passive (the stats on liandry's are almost equivalent to guise). If you're talking about teemo, his dot messes up liandry's (courtesy of monty) and you aren't getting the full damage out of it. Additionally, liandry's works optimally when champions are at full health and there's time for the passive to work. Unfortunately, the goal of a lot of ap's is to burst down a particular target, which makes liandry's suboptimal, especially if rushing it.

On December 13 2012 07:32 101toss wrote:

If you need to finish guise into another item it's fine (like old bruta->gb)

If you buy it straight up, you pay around 500g for the passive (the stats on liandry's are almost equivalent to guise). If you're talking about teemo, his dot messes up liandry's (courtesy of monty) and you aren't getting the full damage out of it. Additionally, liandry's works optimally when champions are at full health and there's time for the passive to work. Unfortunately, the goal of a lot of ap's is to burst down a particular target, which makes liandry's suboptimal, especially if rushing it.

On December 13 2012 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:


The problem with an AD caster item is that it shouldnt be OP for AD Carries.

% of your dmg as true dmg but an attack speed slow on yourself!

On December 13 2012 07:53 Ketara wrote:


Yeah, it's obviously not good for burst damage APs.

It's good for sustained damage APs, like:

Teemo
Ziggs
Karthus
Zyra
Cassiopeia

Just because it's often not doing full damage, doesn't mean it's not doing damage. The thing has 70 AP on it, and magic pen, and HP. What item are you comparing it to? It's not gonna give you as much damage as a deathcap, but depending on the champion it's going to be doing damage, on top of its other stats (which are really pretty good)

I'd challenge you to give me a 3 item combination for any of the above champions that will do more damage than Deathcap + Liandry's + Void Staff late game.

It's not a good first item. That doesn't mean it's a bad item. Not many champions get Last Whisper as their first major item either, that doesn't mean it's bad.

On December 13 2012 07:53 Ketara wrote:
Just because it's often not doing full damage, doesn't mean it's not doing damage. The thing has 70 AP on it, and magic pen, and HP. What item are you comparing it to?