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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
November 28 2012 19:49 GMT
#4761
Poor Ele...

Guy should just retire and get them Riot $$ as a caster.
Retvrn to Forvms
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 28 2012 19:52 GMT
#4762
On November 29 2012 04:10 TSBspartacus wrote:
Been playing a bit of Xerath and I think I might buy him once the free week is over.
Does anyone know why he doesn't get picked at all? He seems like a really good champion with his passive armour giving him some nice defense, a long range stun when you get the combo right and also a long range splash nuke. And his Q can clear entire waves later into the game.

I build Athenes, Defensive boots, Void Staff, Rabadons mid and no-one seems quite sure what to do with him. He does have a weak pre-lvl3 since you don't get stun for a while, but after that it is reasonably easy to grab a decent amount of kills. End game you can just long range siege or harass all day, and they can't do anything about it without diving you in the midst of your team.

The funny thing about end game Xerath is that he becomes a tanky little shit due to his passive. If you have a DFG, you can make life miserable for a lot of AD bruisers that haven't built a lot of MR.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
November 28 2012 19:55 GMT
#4763
On November 29 2012 04:49 Chrispy wrote:
Poor Ele...

Guy should just retire and get them Riot $$ as a caster.

He even has his own Reign of Gaming website to fall back on as well. I question what his casting would be like, but mostly because I don't remember any of his casts and I can't imagine he'd be the same level as, say Jatt or Apollo.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
November 28 2012 19:59 GMT
#4764
I only remember him casting once and I recall being really impressed. But that was back in the day when we had a choice between Phreak and... Phreak.
Retvrn to Forvms
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
November 28 2012 19:59 GMT
#4765
I heard him cast one or two times, it wasn't bad.

I think he'd have no problem becoming a caster.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 28 2012 19:59 GMT
#4766
On November 29 2012 04:59 Chrispy wrote:
I only remember him casting once and I recall being really impressed. But that was back in the day when we had a choice between Phreak and... Phreak.

Don't you dare leave out Colbycheeze.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 28 2012 20:00 GMT
#4767
He seems like a cool personality and knows how to present himself. I would think going into more casting/pr stuff would be the way forward for him.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 28 2012 20:02 GMT
#4768
You all know what'll happen if Elementz just becomes a caster.

"Hey man, we know MLG is just about to start, but I think we're going to have this other guy do the commentary... and casting... there's a bench right over there if you want to stick around."
It's your boy Guzma!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 28 2012 20:05 GMT
#4769
On November 29 2012 04:48 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 04:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah, the only champ I can think of that you'd get the first tier ap mastery on is Karthus because of his unique way of last hitting and awful autoattack.


Even next season, I'm still going to be taking AD masteries. You get the same amount of AD for 2 points, and IMO spellsword is better than 1.5 AP unless you're not going to be autoing at all when trading. By 50AP(still early game), trading an auto and 2 spells, spellsword already pretty much breaks even. If you auto more than once spellsword far, far outstrips AP masteries for most champs.

What's spellsword?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 28 2012 20:06 GMT
#4770
On November 29 2012 05:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 04:48 Amui wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah, the only champ I can think of that you'd get the first tier ap mastery on is Karthus because of his unique way of last hitting and awful autoattack.


Even next season, I'm still going to be taking AD masteries. You get the same amount of AD for 2 points, and IMO spellsword is better than 1.5 AP unless you're not going to be autoing at all when trading. By 50AP(still early game), trading an auto and 2 spells, spellsword already pretty much breaks even. If you auto more than once spellsword far, far outstrips AP masteries for most champs.

What's spellsword?

% of your ap dealt as magic damage on autoattacks.

just realized how lol thats gonna be on swain, that and bonus damage from his torment
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
November 28 2012 20:08 GMT
#4771
On November 29 2012 05:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 04:48 Amui wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah, the only champ I can think of that you'd get the first tier ap mastery on is Karthus because of his unique way of last hitting and awful autoattack.


Even next season, I'm still going to be taking AD masteries. You get the same amount of AD for 2 points, and IMO spellsword is better than 1.5 AP unless you're not going to be autoing at all when trading. By 50AP(still early game), trading an auto and 2 spells, spellsword already pretty much breaks even. If you auto more than once spellsword far, far outstrips AP masteries for most champs.

What's spellsword?

Converts like 10% of AP to magic damage on AAs
Platinum Support GOD
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 20:14:41
November 28 2012 20:13 GMT
#4772
On November 29 2012 05:08 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 05:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:48 Amui wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah, the only champ I can think of that you'd get the first tier ap mastery on is Karthus because of his unique way of last hitting and awful autoattack.


Even next season, I'm still going to be taking AD masteries. You get the same amount of AD for 2 points, and IMO spellsword is better than 1.5 AP unless you're not going to be autoing at all when trading. By 50AP(still early game), trading an auto and 2 spells, spellsword already pretty much breaks even. If you auto more than once spellsword far, far outstrips AP masteries for most champs.

What's spellsword?

Converts like 10% of AP to magic damage on AAs

So it's the new item. Not a mastery. I'd rather have my malady first but I might build it later on Teemo.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
November 28 2012 20:14 GMT
#4773
On November 29 2012 05:13 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 05:08 MattBarry wrote:
On November 29 2012 05:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:48 Amui wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah, the only champ I can think of that you'd get the first tier ap mastery on is Karthus because of his unique way of last hitting and awful autoattack.


Even next season, I'm still going to be taking AD masteries. You get the same amount of AD for 2 points, and IMO spellsword is better than 1.5 AP unless you're not going to be autoing at all when trading. By 50AP(still early game), trading an auto and 2 spells, spellsword already pretty much breaks even. If you auto more than once spellsword far, far outstrips AP masteries for most champs.

What's spellsword?

Converts like 10% of AP to magic damage on AAs

So it's the new item. Not a mastery.


It's a tier 4 offense mastery ( http://www.finalesfunkeln.com/s3/)
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
November 28 2012 20:15 GMT
#4774
On November 29 2012 05:13 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 05:08 MattBarry wrote:
On November 29 2012 05:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:48 Amui wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah, the only champ I can think of that you'd get the first tier ap mastery on is Karthus because of his unique way of last hitting and awful autoattack.


Even next season, I'm still going to be taking AD masteries. You get the same amount of AD for 2 points, and IMO spellsword is better than 1.5 AP unless you're not going to be autoing at all when trading. By 50AP(still early game), trading an auto and 2 spells, spellsword already pretty much breaks even. If you auto more than once spellsword far, far outstrips AP masteries for most champs.

What's spellsword?

Converts like 10% of AP to magic damage on AAs

So it's the new item. Not a mastery.

10% is an item (Malady) and 5% is a Mastery (in Offence, requires one point).
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
November 28 2012 20:15 GMT
#4775
On November 29 2012 05:13 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 05:08 MattBarry wrote:
On November 29 2012 05:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:48 Amui wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah, the only champ I can think of that you'd get the first tier ap mastery on is Karthus because of his unique way of last hitting and awful autoattack.


Even next season, I'm still going to be taking AD masteries. You get the same amount of AD for 2 points, and IMO spellsword is better than 1.5 AP unless you're not going to be autoing at all when trading. By 50AP(still early game), trading an auto and 2 spells, spellsword already pretty much breaks even. If you auto more than once spellsword far, far outstrips AP masteries for most champs.

What's spellsword?

Converts like 10% of AP to magic damage on AAs

So it's the new item. Not a mastery.


Erm malady converts 10% of your ap as magic damage on aa's. spellsword is the mastery one.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
November 28 2012 20:15 GMT
#4776
On November 29 2012 05:13 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 05:08 MattBarry wrote:
On November 29 2012 05:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:48 Amui wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah, the only champ I can think of that you'd get the first tier ap mastery on is Karthus because of his unique way of last hitting and awful autoattack.


Even next season, I'm still going to be taking AD masteries. You get the same amount of AD for 2 points, and IMO spellsword is better than 1.5 AP unless you're not going to be autoing at all when trading. By 50AP(still early game), trading an auto and 2 spells, spellsword already pretty much breaks even. If you auto more than once spellsword far, far outstrips AP masteries for most champs.

What's spellsword?

Converts like 10% of AP to magic damage on AAs

So it's the new item. Not a mastery.


It is a mastery. applies 5% of your AP on autos.

http://www.finalesfunkeln.com/s3/
4th tier right side.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 20:17:43
November 28 2012 20:17 GMT
#4777
Now don't everyone jump up to correct me at once.
+ Show Spoiler +
Jk, thx. Not sure if .1 AP ratio and .05 in the tree is a good idea. It seems like an alternative to Malady's MR shred and not a particularly useful one at that.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
November 28 2012 20:23 GMT
#4778
On November 29 2012 05:17 obesechicken13 wrote:
Now don't everyone jump up to correct me at once.
+ Show Spoiler +
Jk, thx. Not sure if .1 AP ratio and .05 in the tree is a good idea. It seems like an alternative to Malady's MR shred and not a particularly useful one at that.

Malady still shreds though, but changed from 6 MR 4 stacks (max 24) to 4 MR 7 stack (max 28).
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 28 2012 20:25 GMT
#4779
On November 29 2012 04:10 TSBspartacus wrote:
Been playing a bit of Xerath and I think I might buy him once the free week is over.
Does anyone know why he doesn't get picked at all? He seems like a really good champion with his passive armour giving him some nice defense, a long range stun when you get the combo right and also a long range splash nuke. And his Q can clear entire waves later into the game.

I build Athenes, Defensive boots, Void Staff, Rabadons mid and no-one seems quite sure what to do with him. He does have a weak pre-lvl3 since you don't get stun for a while, but after that it is reasonably easy to grab a decent amount of kills. End game you can just long range siege or harass all day, and they can't do anything about it without diving you in the midst of your team.


Generally speaking anything Xerath can do other champions can do better. Ziggs serves a very similar role, but has better wave clear, a stronger laning phase, roughly equal AoE, an actual escape, and zone control.

Xerath may become popular in Season 3 due to the changes to penetration mechanics. Stacking MPen on Xerath will cause him to deal true damage to any enemy with less than 140 MR. Even a Bruiser with MR/Level Glyphs, Merc's, and Spirit Visage will have an effective MR of 6. It's a ridiculous enough abuse case that it might cause him to reach FotM status.

But then apparently he's boring as hell to play, so I actually expect it will take a buff to make him popular (at which point he'll get nerfed to the ground for being stupidly strong).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
November 28 2012 20:28 GMT
#4780
On November 29 2012 02:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 02:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
At the airport with like 2 hours to kill. zzz


1. Browse TL while waiting
2. Wait for tap on shoulder
3. Turn around and meet other TL'er (preferably 1. attractive and 2. of the opposite sex)

One day it will happen.

It will happen if yourself is a girl, and preferably attractive too.
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