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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 27 2012 19:01 GMT
#4481
On November 28 2012 03:03 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:00 MoonBear wrote:
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

Size Age doesn't mean everything.

(Outside of Grandpa Neo I think our staff team is young-ish?)


I'm probably the oldest. >_> Smash comes in second.

I'm turning 25 next week, where do I rank? ;P
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 27 2012 19:13 GMT
#4482
On November 28 2012 03:45 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 02:46 Requizen wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:33 onlywonderboy wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:17 Requizen wrote:
Avarice got nerfed on PBE, 4 gp10 -> 2 gp10. I think it'll still be bought on anyone who wants anything it builds out of, that on-kill passive is too nice.

Seuss brought that up and made a good point, this will bring it more in line with the current gp10s. You'll probably still make a little more gold than philo and kage's (if you maximize you lasting hitting of course).

Oh, missed that post.

I wonder how it'll work out in the jungle, considering the jungler generally (but not always) has a much lower CS than laners. Unless we really do see farm-only junlgers, I think it'll be pretty limited to top lane and maybe AD if you're going Shiv or Exe Calling. Well, maybe ADs will buy it if you're doing DL style farm for 40 minutes and then sell it once you have 300 CS and infinity gold.


As a jungler I don't really plan on grabbing it unless I really want something it builds into, or if I know I'm going to have a lot of opportunity to farm.

But to elaborate, it really, really deserved the nerf. When rushed you could earn back the 800g cost before the mid-game, and thereafter just coast to an easy gold advantage. It was as dumb as it sounds.

Grats on 2k btw.

Agreed, the only times I can see it is if you're going after Shiv (which isn't a bad choice on some junglers, fair) or if Atmog's/Fratma's makes a comeback.

So with the cost-efficiency cut to Philo, HoG gone, and Avarice being a farm item, will junglers even go gp10 now? Maybe APs getting Kage (though the only upgrade I could see them wanting is Twin Shadows), but otherwise it looks like rushing Machete upgrades or just regular items will be the norm. Which might not be terrible, since the Machete upgrades seem pretty efficient and good.
It's your boy Guzma!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 27 2012 19:33 GMT
#4483
On November 28 2012 04:01 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:03 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:00 MoonBear wrote:
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

Size Age doesn't mean everything.

(Outside of Grandpa Neo I think our staff team is young-ish?)


I'm probably the oldest. >_> Smash comes in second.

I'm turning 25 next week, where do I rank? ;P

YOU BELONG IN A MUSEUM
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 27 2012 19:39 GMT
#4484
On November 28 2012 03:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 00:51 Requizen wrote:
[image loading]

This is blatant sexualism. Look at how ripped he is and how much it focuses on his junk. No real guy can ever live up to those expectations, it's like a this game is just designed for horny teenage girls.


or flaming gays.

Oh you.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14023 Posts
November 27 2012 19:49 GMT
#4485
I don't see junglers getting gp/10's anymore and I think thats why they took a bat to the whole line of gp10's. spirit stone gives you the sustain and anti minion damage to not have to worry about farming items anymore. The real strong s3 junglers I think will be the ones that don't need boots for good early level ganks.

I don't see how ww and fiddle fit into the new jungle. Olaf is a real monster. You can build him to any situation that the game may take and his clear speed is even faster. The real power build I've seen is to get a lantern and then a spirit stone. Ancient golum SV and an omen turn you into a juggernaut. Anyone got any opinions on the t3 boot upgrades?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
November 27 2012 19:52 GMT
#4486
On November 28 2012 04:13 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:45 Seuss wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:46 Requizen wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:33 onlywonderboy wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:17 Requizen wrote:
Avarice got nerfed on PBE, 4 gp10 -> 2 gp10. I think it'll still be bought on anyone who wants anything it builds out of, that on-kill passive is too nice.

Seuss brought that up and made a good point, this will bring it more in line with the current gp10s. You'll probably still make a little more gold than philo and kage's (if you maximize you lasting hitting of course).

Oh, missed that post.

I wonder how it'll work out in the jungle, considering the jungler generally (but not always) has a much lower CS than laners. Unless we really do see farm-only junlgers, I think it'll be pretty limited to top lane and maybe AD if you're going Shiv or Exe Calling. Well, maybe ADs will buy it if you're doing DL style farm for 40 minutes and then sell it once you have 300 CS and infinity gold.


As a jungler I don't really plan on grabbing it unless I really want something it builds into, or if I know I'm going to have a lot of opportunity to farm.

But to elaborate, it really, really deserved the nerf. When rushed you could earn back the 800g cost before the mid-game, and thereafter just coast to an easy gold advantage. It was as dumb as it sounds.

Grats on 2k btw.

Agreed, the only times I can see it is if you're going after Shiv (which isn't a bad choice on some junglers, fair) or if Atmog's/Fratma's makes a comeback.

So with the cost-efficiency cut to Philo, HoG gone, and Avarice being a farm item, will junglers even go gp10 now? Maybe APs getting Kage (though the only upgrade I could see them wanting is Twin Shadows), but otherwise it looks like rushing Machete upgrades or just regular items will be the norm. Which might not be terrible, since the Machete upgrades seem pretty efficient and good.


I don't think they'll get GP10, spirit stone does much the same thing as philo while giving you a massively faster jungle clear. A lot of people got the philo for the mana/health sustain so they could jungle for a lot longer, it just so happened that it was ridiculously cost effective and built into shurelya's. The tank spirit stone gives pretty ridiculously good stats regardless of what you're going for.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
November 27 2012 19:53 GMT
#4487
Did anyone see this? Interesting strat from IG....

Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 27 2012 19:58 GMT
#4488
On November 28 2012 04:13 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:45 Seuss wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:46 Requizen wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:33 onlywonderboy wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:17 Requizen wrote:
Avarice got nerfed on PBE, 4 gp10 -> 2 gp10. I think it'll still be bought on anyone who wants anything it builds out of, that on-kill passive is too nice.

Seuss brought that up and made a good point, this will bring it more in line with the current gp10s. You'll probably still make a little more gold than philo and kage's (if you maximize you lasting hitting of course).

Oh, missed that post.

I wonder how it'll work out in the jungle, considering the jungler generally (but not always) has a much lower CS than laners. Unless we really do see farm-only junlgers, I think it'll be pretty limited to top lane and maybe AD if you're going Shiv or Exe Calling. Well, maybe ADs will buy it if you're doing DL style farm for 40 minutes and then sell it once you have 300 CS and infinity gold.


As a jungler I don't really plan on grabbing it unless I really want something it builds into, or if I know I'm going to have a lot of opportunity to farm.

But to elaborate, it really, really deserved the nerf. When rushed you could earn back the 800g cost before the mid-game, and thereafter just coast to an easy gold advantage. It was as dumb as it sounds.

Grats on 2k btw.

Agreed, the only times I can see it is if you're going after Shiv (which isn't a bad choice on some junglers, fair) or if Atmog's/Fratma's makes a comeback.

So with the cost-efficiency cut to Philo, HoG gone, and Avarice being a farm item, will junglers even go gp10 now? Maybe APs getting Kage (though the only upgrade I could see them wanting is Twin Shadows), but otherwise it looks like rushing Machete upgrades or just regular items will be the norm. Which might not be terrible, since the Machete upgrades seem pretty efficient and good.


Thanks! I didn't even notice. XD

I think Kage's is a shoe-in for a fair number of junglers. Both Twin Shadows and Shard of True Ice are very potent upgrades with strong utility throughout the game, the latter having the advantage of keeping the gp10 stat. It's very easy to imagine Maokai, Amumu, or Nunu with either upgrade, and Twin Shadows isn't a bad option for less traditional junglers who benefit from AP (e.g. Akali, Malzahar), should they ever become popular.

Machete upgrades are going to be a big deal. They're all very efficient and even fill semi-unique roles. I mentioned this in my show yesterday, but being able to get Tenacity on something other than Mercury's Treads will be a huge boon to tanks. The other upgrades, including Wriggle's, are also strong, and grabbing one of them can make a huge difference in the jungle. Unless you're someone like Jax, picking one of the four upgrades is going to be fairly standard.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 27 2012 20:15 GMT
#4489
On November 28 2012 04:58 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 04:13 Requizen wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:45 Seuss wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:46 Requizen wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:33 onlywonderboy wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:17 Requizen wrote:
Avarice got nerfed on PBE, 4 gp10 -> 2 gp10. I think it'll still be bought on anyone who wants anything it builds out of, that on-kill passive is too nice.

Seuss brought that up and made a good point, this will bring it more in line with the current gp10s. You'll probably still make a little more gold than philo and kage's (if you maximize you lasting hitting of course).

Oh, missed that post.

I wonder how it'll work out in the jungle, considering the jungler generally (but not always) has a much lower CS than laners. Unless we really do see farm-only junlgers, I think it'll be pretty limited to top lane and maybe AD if you're going Shiv or Exe Calling. Well, maybe ADs will buy it if you're doing DL style farm for 40 minutes and then sell it once you have 300 CS and infinity gold.


As a jungler I don't really plan on grabbing it unless I really want something it builds into, or if I know I'm going to have a lot of opportunity to farm.

But to elaborate, it really, really deserved the nerf. When rushed you could earn back the 800g cost before the mid-game, and thereafter just coast to an easy gold advantage. It was as dumb as it sounds.

Grats on 2k btw.

Agreed, the only times I can see it is if you're going after Shiv (which isn't a bad choice on some junglers, fair) or if Atmog's/Fratma's makes a comeback.

So with the cost-efficiency cut to Philo, HoG gone, and Avarice being a farm item, will junglers even go gp10 now? Maybe APs getting Kage (though the only upgrade I could see them wanting is Twin Shadows), but otherwise it looks like rushing Machete upgrades or just regular items will be the norm. Which might not be terrible, since the Machete upgrades seem pretty efficient and good.


Thanks! I didn't even notice. XD

I think Kage's is a shoe-in for a fair number of junglers. Both Twin Shadows and Shard of True Ice are very potent upgrades with strong utility throughout the game, the latter having the advantage of keeping the gp10 stat. It's very easy to imagine Maokai, Amumu, or Nunu with either upgrade, and Twin Shadows isn't a bad option for less traditional junglers who benefit from AP (e.g. Akali, Malzahar), should they ever become popular.

Machete upgrades are going to be a big deal. They're all very efficient and even fill semi-unique roles. I mentioned this in my show yesterday, but being able to get Tenacity on something other than Mercury's Treads will be a huge boon to tanks. The other upgrades, including Wriggle's, are also strong, and grabbing one of them can make a huge difference in the jungle. Unless you're someone like Jax, picking one of the four upgrades is going to be fairly standard.

You have a show?

I'm really licking my chops looking at the Spirit of the X jungle items. Elder Lizard makes me want to try Riven Jungle come S3. Yeah the mana regen is wasted, but 50 AD and a true damage burn on your abilities + autos? Check please. She should also clear pretty decently as her QQQ will shred the side monsters and her passive should let her crush the big one pretty fast. We'll see how it goes, though. Not to mention Ancient Golem is like the single most amazing item I've seen from the standpoint of tanky junglers.
It's your boy Guzma!
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
November 27 2012 20:24 GMT
#4490
How old are you Neo?
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 27 2012 20:24 GMT
#4491
On November 28 2012 04:01 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:03 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:00 MoonBear wrote:
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

Size Age doesn't mean everything.

(Outside of Grandpa Neo I think our staff team is young-ish?)


I'm probably the oldest. >_> Smash comes in second.

I'm turning 25 next week, where do I rank? ;P

Below me, by a couple weeks.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 27 2012 20:40 GMT
#4492
On November 28 2012 05:24 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 04:01 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:03 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:00 MoonBear wrote:
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

Size Age doesn't mean everything.

(Outside of Grandpa Neo I think our staff team is young-ish?)


I'm probably the oldest. >_> Smash comes in second.

I'm turning 25 next week, where do I rank? ;P

Below me, by a couple weeks.

You're all just a bunch of whippersnappers. You forgot about me and old man Whiskers (Monte).
The real question is, how old is Neo?
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 27 2012 20:45 GMT
#4493
On November 28 2012 05:15 Requizen wrote:
You have a show?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384187
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 27 2012 20:54 GMT
#4494
On November 28 2012 04:53 Sandster wrote:
Did anyone see this? Interesting strat from IG....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiNGZGDaHLs&feature=plcp

Is that a no-jungle elise/jax top lane?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
November 27 2012 20:55 GMT
#4495
On November 28 2012 03:27 shinarit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 00:53 NeoIllusions wrote:
i c wat u did thar, Req.

hue hue hue

Edit: Riot's Art dept working overtime, jebus. Highly approve of all 3 new splash art. All the feels from the visuals. +1


Guiz, tell me WHERE do you get all this information? And that place, where does that place get it from? Im so frustrated that whenever i hear something new, i go to lol.com and its not announced there, and usually not even in the forums. So WHERE?


http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/

http://www.reignofgaming.net/

http://www.surrenderat20.net/

They datamine these files from the patches on the PBE (Public Beta Environment).

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 27 2012 20:58 GMT
#4496
On November 28 2012 05:55 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:27 shinarit wrote:
On November 28 2012 00:53 NeoIllusions wrote:
i c wat u did thar, Req.

hue hue hue

Edit: Riot's Art dept working overtime, jebus. Highly approve of all 3 new splash art. All the feels from the visuals. +1


Guiz, tell me WHERE do you get all this information? And that place, where does that place get it from? Im so frustrated that whenever i hear something new, i go to lol.com and its not announced there, and usually not even in the forums. So WHERE?


http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/

http://www.reignofgaming.net/

http://www.surrenderat20.net/

They datamine these files from the patches on the PBE (Public Beta Environment).


Yep.

Caveats:
* reddit pretty much just re-reports RoG or s@20, so no real reason to venture in there if all you want are PBE rumors
* datamining means they inevitably pick up assets/changes that are not meant to go live (e.g. Viktor's 3rd tier augments) so take anything you read from a datamine with a grain of salt.
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
November 27 2012 21:00 GMT
#4497
On November 28 2012 05:58 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 05:55 Perplex wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:27 shinarit wrote:
On November 28 2012 00:53 NeoIllusions wrote:
i c wat u did thar, Req.

hue hue hue

Edit: Riot's Art dept working overtime, jebus. Highly approve of all 3 new splash art. All the feels from the visuals. +1


Guiz, tell me WHERE do you get all this information? And that place, where does that place get it from? Im so frustrated that whenever i hear something new, i go to lol.com and its not announced there, and usually not even in the forums. So WHERE?


http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/

http://www.reignofgaming.net/

http://www.surrenderat20.net/

They datamine these files from the patches on the PBE (Public Beta Environment).


Yep.

Caveats:
* reddit pretty much just re-reports RoG or s@20, so no real reason to venture in there if all you want are PBE rumors
* datamining means they inevitably pick up assets/changes that are not meant to go live (e.g. Viktor's 3rd tier augments) so take anything you read from a datamine with a grain of salt.


True. I just thought I would through r/lol in there because you'll get the occasional leak there that is unique to reddit (like that guy who has leaked 10 skins months in advance).
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 21:17:09
November 27 2012 21:15 GMT
#4498
On November 25 2012 23:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
Toyz AMA
Fun read.

It's down now Does anyone have a copy of all the answered questions?

Edit: Found it.

http://202.123.82.15/~jasmine/English.html
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
November 27 2012 21:19 GMT
#4499
On November 28 2012 05:24 IntoTheWow wrote:
How old are you Neo?

yeah neo, ASL
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 27 2012 21:20 GMT
#4500
On November 28 2012 06:19 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 05:24 IntoTheWow wrote:
How old are you Neo?

yeah neo, ASL

also, DTF?
currently rooting for myself.
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