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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
November 27 2012 16:49 GMT
#4461
Brand could point his hot pillar of flame at me any time, if you know what I mean.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 16:58:50
November 27 2012 16:56 GMT
#4462
On November 28 2012 00:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 23:48 adriftt wrote:
On November 27 2012 15:50 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 27 2012 15:38 TheYango wrote:
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 27 2012 14:38 justiceknight wrote:
does any1 has a video tutorial that teaches u how to CS like a boss? I always see progamers' have very good farm like the value of CS is more than the game timer (eg: 200 cs in 20 mins)

i really dont understand what part of CSing needs a tutorial, it's simply a mechanic that you need to practice for yourself. If you're talking about farming in general, then try not to miss any waves by pushing your lane into the enemy's turret before doing other stuff like roaming or basing. The reason good mid laners consistently have 200 creeps in 20 minutes is because they take a wraith/wolf camp after pushing the wave. I'm not sure about the numbers exactly but I think like 230~ creeps spawn in 20 minutes, so you're still able to roam a little bit. Just push the wave and farm the jungler while you're not losing anything. Of course, often it's much better to just go gank a lane instead of farming a wraith, which is one of the reasons why you don't always see this numbers in soloq. For top lanerz, it's when they aren't forced to take the other guy's turret or to help their team, so they just stay top lane all day and farm. This isn't always (often actually) the best course of action so I advise comparing creep scores to your opponent, not some random number

Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

The main "difficulty" of getting high CS scores in a long game isn't really mechanical, but rather finding space to farm, and good moments to farm between fights. This isn't so much something you can teach more than something you get a feel for as you play. As you get a sense of your own tempo, you pick up on times when/how you can maximize your farm, corresponding to the ebb and flow of the lanes.

Though tbh in a lot of low level games there's a ton of wasted farm in a lot of places. People don't push out waves cleanly, let huge waves of creeps push into their towers while they're pushing as a team (if you're not pushing out your lanes before you push and big waves get wasted on your towers, you might waste just as much farm as pushing a tower as a team is worth), and do generally inefficient things like taking their jungler's wraiths while there's uncontested farm mid for them to take.

I agree, but if your mechanics aren't good then you won't be hitting those 10/100 creep scores anyway. People, even pros, frequently miss at least 20 creeps in the laning phase just by poor mechanics alone, and honestly, so do I.


TBH a big part of CS is being able to set it up so there aren't any that are impossible. IE: pay attention to what creeps are taking damage and if two are going to die at around the same time start autoing one early so you don't miss one due to auto attack cooldown. paying attention to little things like that can help your CS a lot. also just controlling the wave so you don't get pushed into tower.. if you are playing against someone that pushes hard start spamming autos on the creeps to mitigate it somewhat

This is so important to know I feel.

So many people get into the mindset that you should ONLY last hit, especially as AD Carry. For a while I played like that and going up against someone shoving the wave really hard was almost IMPOSSIBLE to keep up on CS under tower and it was one of the most frustrating things ever. It was weird, I almost never had the issue mid because I always try to wave clear and roam, and it just never carried over to when I played AD Carry or Top.



Part of it is that players first learn that auto-attack = push = overextend = die to ganks. So auto-attacking becomes a grave sin to be avoided at all costs. It's incidentally at this stage that players are most prone to complain about laning being boring, or lane control being so much more complicated/deep in other games.

Regarding the PBE changes, the Avarice Blade nerf was well deserved. It was effectively a 7-8 gp10 item between its passives, and this brings it down to 5-6 gp10.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 17:05:34
November 27 2012 17:02 GMT
#4463
I don't really like that new Brand splash. I mean, I agree that it's an improvement on the overall quality of the picture, but I liked his old pose (and particularly face) better. His new visage being so detailed and intricate and stuff takes away from the feel I had looking at him.
Not it's all-wrinkled old man Brand, totally different feel.

Same with Morde—granted, it's a huge improvement over the stupidly-proportioned one they used previously, but his square makes me think of a cow mask or something, and I liked his original splash best of all 3 because of his posture. Morde much more threatening simply resting that mace and looking at you, rather than just striking and being all "look at my hand I cast magic and stuff".
I want him to look menacing, not downright dangerous.

That salestext for this week made me laugh: "You’d think that Noxian High Command would’ve put Rugged Garen in some highfalutin maximum security facility. Good thing he was participatin’ in Movember – the facial hair threw ‘em off."
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
November 27 2012 17:02 GMT
#4464
I don't like the new Morde face. The splash is nice, but the face is weird and changes his "personality" for me.
Freeeeeeedom
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 27 2012 17:17 GMT
#4465
Avarice got nerfed on PBE, 4 gp10 -> 2 gp10. I think it'll still be bought on anyone who wants anything it builds out of, that on-kill passive is too nice.
It's your boy Guzma!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 27 2012 17:33 GMT
#4466
On November 28 2012 02:17 Requizen wrote:
Avarice got nerfed on PBE, 4 gp10 -> 2 gp10. I think it'll still be bought on anyone who wants anything it builds out of, that on-kill passive is too nice.

Seuss brought that up and made a good point, this will bring it more in line with the current gp10s. You'll probably still make a little more gold than philo and kage's (if you maximize you lasting hitting of course).
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 27 2012 17:46 GMT
#4467
On November 28 2012 02:33 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 02:17 Requizen wrote:
Avarice got nerfed on PBE, 4 gp10 -> 2 gp10. I think it'll still be bought on anyone who wants anything it builds out of, that on-kill passive is too nice.

Seuss brought that up and made a good point, this will bring it more in line with the current gp10s. You'll probably still make a little more gold than philo and kage's (if you maximize you lasting hitting of course).

Oh, missed that post.

I wonder how it'll work out in the jungle, considering the jungler generally (but not always) has a much lower CS than laners. Unless we really do see farm-only junlgers, I think it'll be pretty limited to top lane and maybe AD if you're going Shiv or Exe Calling. Well, maybe ADs will buy it if you're doing DL style farm for 40 minutes and then sell it once you have 300 CS and infinity gold.
It's your boy Guzma!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 27 2012 18:00 GMT
#4468
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

Size Age doesn't mean everything.

(Outside of Grandpa Neo I think our staff team is young-ish?)
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 27 2012 18:01 GMT
#4469
The guy who did the hilarious 24 hours in the CLG gaming house. made a new one for IPL 5.

96 hours at IPL5, Las Vegas

Also pretty damn funny.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 27 2012 18:03 GMT
#4470
On November 28 2012 03:00 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

Size Age doesn't mean everything.

(Outside of Grandpa Neo I think our staff team is young-ish?)


I'm probably the oldest. >_> Smash comes in second.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
November 27 2012 18:10 GMT
#4471
On November 28 2012 03:03 NeoIllusions wrote:
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On November 28 2012 03:00 MoonBear wrote:
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

Size Age doesn't mean everything.

(Outside of Grandpa Neo I think our staff team is young-ish?)


I'm probably the oldest. >_> Smash comes in second.


So that's why you go on grinch mode sprees. It comes with the age, although I didn't think you were much older than me.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 27 2012 18:11 GMT
#4472
You're older than Smash? You'll get wrinkled soon.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 18:20:13
November 27 2012 18:18 GMT
#4473
Soon we'll need to throw neo an over the hill party. Get him a cane and everything. "Back in my day our games had THREE buttons, you young whippersnappers! We'd walk 15 miles to the arcade, and 15 miles back, rain or snow. We didn'thave these fancy home computers you kids have."
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 27 2012 18:18 GMT
#4474
Pretty sure Craton is the oldest.
There's a picture of him around here somewhere.
Ah,here+ Show Spoiler +
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Cackle™
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 27 2012 18:26 GMT
#4475
I dunno, there're only 2 buttons on the original Game Boy, and it's almost exactly as old as me.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
November 27 2012 18:27 GMT
#4476
On November 28 2012 00:53 NeoIllusions wrote:
i c wat u did thar, Req.

hue hue hue

Edit: Riot's Art dept working overtime, jebus. Highly approve of all 3 new splash art. All the feels from the visuals. +1


Guiz, tell me WHERE do you get all this information? And that place, where does that place get it from? Im so frustrated that whenever i hear something new, i go to lol.com and its not announced there, and usually not even in the forums. So WHERE?
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 27 2012 18:30 GMT
#4477
How I imagine craton.

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[image loading]
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 27 2012 18:31 GMT
#4478
On November 28 2012 03:26 Alaric wrote:
I dunno, there're only 2 buttons on the original Game Boy, and it's almost exactly as old as me.


I was kind of counting the directional pad as a button. :p
Didn't really count the menu buttons cause those aren't part of actual moving and interacting within the game itself >_>
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 18:41:28
November 27 2012 18:39 GMT
#4479
On November 28 2012 00:51 Requizen wrote:
[image loading]

This is blatant sexualism. Look at how ripped he is and how much it focuses on his junk. No real guy can ever live up to those expectations, it's like a this game is just designed for horny teenage girls.


or flaming gays.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 27 2012 18:45 GMT
#4480
On November 28 2012 02:46 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 02:33 onlywonderboy wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:17 Requizen wrote:
Avarice got nerfed on PBE, 4 gp10 -> 2 gp10. I think it'll still be bought on anyone who wants anything it builds out of, that on-kill passive is too nice.

Seuss brought that up and made a good point, this will bring it more in line with the current gp10s. You'll probably still make a little more gold than philo and kage's (if you maximize you lasting hitting of course).

Oh, missed that post.

I wonder how it'll work out in the jungle, considering the jungler generally (but not always) has a much lower CS than laners. Unless we really do see farm-only junlgers, I think it'll be pretty limited to top lane and maybe AD if you're going Shiv or Exe Calling. Well, maybe ADs will buy it if you're doing DL style farm for 40 minutes and then sell it once you have 300 CS and infinity gold.


As a jungler I don't really plan on grabbing it unless I really want something it builds into, or if I know I'm going to have a lot of opportunity to farm.

But to elaborate, it really, really deserved the nerf. When rushed you could earn back the 800g cost before the mid-game, and thereafter just coast to an easy gold advantage. It was as dumb as it sounds.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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