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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 28 2012 07:15 Roffles wrote: Where you gettin the farm Jax needs though. Simple. Step 1: Pick Jungle Jax. Step 2: Always farm, never not farm. Step 3: Whenever your allies leave a lane, take all the farm. Step 4: Ignore the cries for help from your team unless you're certain to get kills. Step 5: Win the game because you farmed 6000g in 20 minutes. | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
Mostly I'm jungling Olaf or Cho depending on if my team needs someone to dive or if they need a tankish guy to protect the carry. I guess Jax could replace Olaf as my "dive" champion, but Olaf is such a beast at low level ganks, that I'm not sure i can give him up. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 28 2012 07:15 Roffles wrote: Where you gettin the farm Jax needs though. 1) Jungling. 2) Really active ganking -- particularly with red buff. 3) Taking a lane when top/mid/bot go buy. If I'm doing well, I typically have at least boots1 + trinity by the 20 minute mark. If no ganks are available, then I have problems. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On November 28 2012 07:30 Tula wrote: considering my lanes usually manage to loose 1v1 (and yes i know that is just my perception etc. etc. etc.) I'm not comfortable picking a jungler which cannot leave his jungle/farm for at least a decent amount of time. Mostly I'm jungling Olaf or Cho depending on if my team needs someone to dive or if they need a tankish guy to protect the carry. I guess Jax could replace Olaf as my "dive" champion, but Olaf is such a beast at low level ganks, that I'm not sure i can give him up. Jax is much more effective built for DPS then tanky so wouldnt recommend him as a "dive champion." hes much better at dishing out damage to bruisers/tanks and peeling for your ad in the back and then cleaning up the scraps since he is susceptible to burst but sustains quite well once you get items on him. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 28 2012 06:44 xes wrote: Elise suffers even more than Jayce from the "no ult" problem though. At lvl 7 (jungle 6) if you 2v2 top with jungler Elise can't do much. All about poking and being a huge asshole in isolated lane You mean she has two different Q abilities on different cooldowns, one of which does not cost mana? Yea, that's totally fair. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On November 28 2012 07:25 Seuss wrote: Simple. Step 1: Pick Jungle Jax. Step 2: Always farm, never not farm. Step 3: Whenever your allies leave a lane, take all the farm. Step 4: Ignore the cries for help from your team unless you're certain to get kills. Step 5: Win the game because you farmed 6000g in 20 minutes. That's how I play all my junglers. Good to know I've been doing something right all along. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On November 28 2012 07:58 Sufficiency wrote: You mean she has two different Q abilities on different cooldowns, one of which does not cost mana? Yea, that's totally fair. Watching streams, anyone who can set up ganks well and duel well (Xin, Irelia, Jax, etc) can kind of get zoned and just wait for Jungle to come. You win the 2v1 obv, and can win most 2v2. And then once you're behind as Elise, you can't be as big of an asshole as you want to since you don't have as many disengages as Jayce. In soloq I've definitely been on the receiving end and 1v1 in lane you can't do shit. But in competitive play I don't think she is OP This is only for AP bruiser Elise though (Haunting/Abyssal/Frozen/Grail/etc, ala Singed or Nunu top). Not sure how straight AP Elise or AD bruiser fares. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On November 28 2012 06:49 Requizen wrote: True, however, I think Elise has some of the higher base damage poke in the game with her humanoid abilities. If she can utilize that to harass out a top lane or just assist Jax in laning, Jax's late game can make up for hers in a big way. I think the strat has a lot of downsides that can be abused, but I don't think Elise as a champ is one of them. EDIT: I need an idea for a small but complex programming project that I can attach to my Riot application. What is something small that you guys think could be automated via a succinct and efficient program? I could do one of my bigger ideas, but they'd all be like, weeks to a month of work and I want to get this application out soon-ish. GLGL. Don't have anything off the top of my head, but I have my second interview on Friday. TWO MORE TLERS IN RIOT PLOX. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 28 2012 08:00 BlackPaladin wrote: That's how I play all my junglers. Good to know I've been doing something right all along. The funny thing about it is it actually could be right, but isn't largely because it doesn't match the meta/solo queue expectations. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On November 28 2012 08:12 AsmodeusXI wrote: GLGL. Don't have anything off the top of my head, but I have my second interview on Friday. TWO MORE TLERS IN RIOT PLOX. https://projecteuler.net/problems I've found solving some of these to work wonders in augmenting an application that wants a programming/algorithm sample. Don't pick the super easy ones with online solutions obv. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 28 2012 07:13 VayneAuthority wrote: he will be strong season 3 just on the premise that he will be one of the few champs left that can freeze top lane. (his dodge/stun allows him to tank massive amounts of minions whereas other champs wont be able to now if that isnt clear) Maybe. The problem is that most champs wreck him in pre-level 6 trades. I just feel like Jax is an overall liability in the early game when laning -- a liability that often costs me the game. If the minions do enough damage to dissuade trading before level 6, then maybe Jax will be relatively stronger. Being able to freeze lanes alone won't do it. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 28 2012 08:56 OutlaW- wrote: I don't know man, chances are you're probably just bad at laning. I never considered Jax as having a bad early game. That may be part of it, but some champs just wreck Jax (Darius and Garen come to mind). He does okay against some others (Olaf, Irelia). It's pretty easy to fall behind and get rolled if you make a mistake. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On November 28 2012 08:56 OutlaW- wrote: I don't know man, chances are you're probably just bad at laning. I never considered Jax as having a bad early game. He's severely outclassed by a bunch of champions pre 6, but after that, Jax is pretty much the easiest champion to lane as, in my experience at least. Completely different topic: are there champs that you just KNOW are great, stop playing at some point and then rediscover them? I just played a game of Wukong where I went Phage > Aegis > FMallet > LW and I wrecked faces. He's soooo tanky, yet deals ridiculous amounts of damage (that ult scaling) and is really really slippery. I don't know man, he just seems great. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11458 Posts
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
On November 28 2012 08:47 xDaunt wrote: Maybe. The problem is that most champs wreck him in pre-level 6 trades. I just feel like Jax is an overall liability in the early game when laning -- a liability that often costs me the game. If the minions do enough damage to dissuade trading before level 6, then maybe Jax will be relatively stronger. Being able to freeze lanes alone won't do it. Just give up some cs simply because once he hits 6 then he goes from total bitch to superman. Who cares if you are 15 cs down if you can just jump on the other guy with ult proc and chunk him by a third of his health with just 2 abilities. Not to mention the fact that Jax can very easily support ganks with his stun. By the same logic you can say that Irelia's early laning makes her too much of a liability to go top lane. So unless you run into a hard counter, Jax top lane isn't bad at all. Jax needs farm, unless you are farming all the time in the jungle and or taking a lot of lane farm you are not going to get the items that Jax needs to do his damage. And when you get tri force you notice enemy maokai ganked each lane 5 times and now the score in 3-15.... | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
I'm feeling frisky, so here's what we're trying with Karma's Mantra Soul Shield: "Stuns in an area around the target, damaging targets... and shielding the target based upon how many targets were hit." That sounds broken lol | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 28 2012 09:04 xDaunt wrote: That may be part of it, but some champs just wreck Jax (Darius and Garen come to mind). He does okay against some others (Olaf, Irelia). It's pretty easy to fall behind and get rolled if you make a mistake. That's just the nature of top lane. If you're Darius or Garen and make a mistake against Jax, you can lose pretty handily. The bigger limitation on Jax right now is the proliferation of 2v1 swaps. As a result you can't really count on either "top" lane getting farmed if you're playing at the competitive level. This is one of the reasons I would not be surprised to see jungle farming enter the meta. If you're going to be dealing with lane swaps anyway sending a champion who needs farm into the jungle while relying on mid/Teleport/globals to apply early game pressure makes sense. It's extremely difficult to stop a jungler from farming, and fairly easy to pass lane farm to them to compound the process. You can actually get more farm this way than you normally could by laning, even with perfect last-hitting. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On November 28 2012 08:37 xDaunt wrote: Okay, so for a concrete illustration of Jax jungle income, I just completed a game where I had tri force and boots1 at the 17-minute mark and boots2 at the 18-minute mark, and a total income of 6200 when the enemy team surrendered at the 20-minute mark. I had 5 hero kills, 5 assists, and 71 cs. Team-wise, we killed 1 dragon and took down 3 towers. that has to be one of the least telling anecdotes I've ever heard. | ||
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