• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:15
CEST 22:15
KST 05:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting4[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO65.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)74Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition325.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) The New Patch Killed Mech! TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting Ladder Impersonation (only maybe) Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Tenacious Turtle Tussle WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
BW caster Sayle BW General Discussion Pros React To: BarrackS + FlaSh Coaching vs SnOw ASL20 General Discussion [ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Semifinal B [ASL20] Semifinal A [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1396 users

[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 228

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 226 227 228 229 230 280 Next
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 28 2012 00:26 GMT
#4541
On November 28 2012 09:11 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 08:56 OutlaW- wrote:
I don't know man, chances are you're probably just bad at laning. I never considered Jax as having a bad early game.

He's severely outclassed by a bunch of champions pre 6, but after that, Jax is pretty much the easiest champion to lane as, in my experience at least.

Completely different topic: are there champs that you just KNOW are great, stop playing at some point and then rediscover them? I just played a game of Wukong where I went Phage > Aegis > FMallet > LW and I wrecked faces. He's soooo tanky, yet deals ridiculous amounts of damage (that ult scaling) and is really really slippery. I don't know man, he just seems great.

Monkey's cool, but with Darius so popular it isn't too easy to line him up. He also loses to champs who can stack armor/HP and with sustain (WW, Irelia to some extent—enough armor runes—, etc.).
He destroys Teemo (with proper timing to be able to Q him), Kennen, Vlad and such though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
November 28 2012 00:26 GMT
#4542
On November 28 2012 09:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
Guinsoo is tweeting about the Karma rework again
Show nested quote +
I'm feeling frisky, so here's what we're trying with Karma's Mantra Soul Shield: "Stuns in an area around the target, damaging targets... and shielding the target based upon how many targets were hit."

That sounds broken lol

From what I recall of previous posts, Karma's Mantra was due to become much more of a true ultimate, getting a long cooldown but sticking with the idea of enhancing other abilities. I guess it would effectively mean Karma can choose to use one of three different ultimates depending on the situation. This one sounds like it would be similar to Lulu's ultimate.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 28 2012 00:30 GMT
#4543
After having played DotA for a long time, the one thing that irks me about Karma is that they more or less shoehorned in Wisp's Tether ability onto her kit, but they didn't import any of what made it fun. What made Wisp's Tether ability fun was that his entire kit interacted with it. Heals transferred through the tether, he had a steroid that buffed both himself and the tether target, and his ult was a teleport that moved him and the target.

Obviously these specific examples would be blatantly OP in LoL, but the point is that the skill in and of itself was boring--it's the interactions that went with it that made it interesting. Insofar as Karma's kit has nothing else that directly interacts with Tether, it's not an interesting or fun skill on it's own, and I'd rather they gut the skill.
Moderator
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 28 2012 00:32 GMT
#4544
On November 28 2012 09:26 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 09:11 Shiv. wrote:
On November 28 2012 08:56 OutlaW- wrote:
I don't know man, chances are you're probably just bad at laning. I never considered Jax as having a bad early game.

He's severely outclassed by a bunch of champions pre 6, but after that, Jax is pretty much the easiest champion to lane as, in my experience at least.

Completely different topic: are there champs that you just KNOW are great, stop playing at some point and then rediscover them? I just played a game of Wukong where I went Phage > Aegis > FMallet > LW and I wrecked faces. He's soooo tanky, yet deals ridiculous amounts of damage (that ult scaling) and is really really slippery. I don't know man, he just seems great.

Monkey's cool, but with Darius so popular it isn't too easy to line him up. He also loses to champs who can stack armor/HP and with sustain (WW, Irelia to some extent—enough armor runes—, etc.).
He destroys Teemo (with proper timing to be able to Q him), Kennen, Vlad and such though.

I agree, but I would argue that Wukong scales so insanely well that it's actually possible to put him up against certain champs that he loses to or doesn't flat out beat. I agree that he wins most if not all AP matchups, but I usually pick Jarvan into these because I feel way more comfortable and useful with him, because Jarvan is the single greatest champion in the game.
currently rooting for myself.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 28 2012 00:32 GMT
#4545
On November 28 2012 08:12 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 06:49 Requizen wrote:
On November 28 2012 06:44 overt wrote:
On November 28 2012 06:41 Requizen wrote:
On November 28 2012 06:39 overt wrote:
On November 28 2012 06:35 Sandster wrote:
On November 28 2012 05:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On November 28 2012 04:53 Sandster wrote:
Did anyone see this? Interesting strat from IG....


Is that a no-jungle elise/jax top lane?


That's a support Elise with Jax toplane, and a support Nunu with smite bot lane giving buffs to Graves early on.

m5 rolled IG but the gold was dead even out of the laning phase. Right now the lanes take jungles anyway, so IG took it to an extreme and gave all wolves/wraiths to mid and golems to bot lane, and buffs to the appropriate people.


Dunno if that strategy would work as well (or at all) on purple side 'cause bot lane can't farm golems. Also would be interesting to see how that strategy would work in the new jungle once that change hits. It's cool to see teams trying new stuff though.

You can do laneswap if you're purple side as well, I'd guess. If you take a champ who already can 1v2 lane (Jax, Irelia, etc) and give them the same sort of pseudo support like they did with Elise, it could work out.


I didn't really understand the Elise pick either to be honest. That team has no initiation minus Orianna or Elise's shitty initiation with her single target stun. All you need the top lane support for is harassing/zoning so that Jax or some other melee carry can get a big gold advantage even though he'll have a level disadvantage. There's surely other supports that could harass just as well or better while being more useful later in the game.

True, however, I think Elise has some of the higher base damage poke in the game with her humanoid abilities. If she can utilize that to harass out a top lane or just assist Jax in laning, Jax's late game can make up for hers in a big way. I think the strat has a lot of downsides that can be abused, but I don't think Elise as a champ is one of them.



EDIT:

I need an idea for a small but complex programming project that I can attach to my Riot application. What is something small that you guys think could be automated via a succinct and efficient program? I could do one of my bigger ideas, but they'd all be like, weeks to a month of work and I want to get this application out soon-ish.


GLGL. Don't have anything off the top of my head, but I have my second interview on Friday. TWO MORE TLERS IN RIOT PLOX.

Well, it's really more of a time killer for me, I don't expect to actually get hired.
It's your boy Guzma!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 28 2012 00:34 GMT
#4546
On November 28 2012 09:26 Jumbled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 09:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
Guinsoo is tweeting about the Karma rework again
I'm feeling frisky, so here's what we're trying with Karma's Mantra Soul Shield: "Stuns in an area around the target, damaging targets... and shielding the target based upon how many targets were hit."

That sounds broken lol

From what I recall of previous posts, Karma's Mantra was due to become much more of a true ultimate, getting a long cooldown but sticking with the idea of enhancing other abilities. I guess it would effectively mean Karma can choose to use one of three different ultimates depending on the situation. This one sounds like it would be similar to Lulu's ultimate.

I remember reading that now that you mention it, so it could be cool. Really depends on the duration of the stun, AOE size, and strength of the shield.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 01:16:13
November 28 2012 01:15 GMT
#4547
On November 28 2012 09:30 TheYango wrote:
After having played DotA for a long time, the one thing that irks me about Karma is that they more or less shoehorned in Wisp's Tether ability onto her kit, but they didn't import any of what made it fun. What made Wisp's Tether ability fun was that his entire kit interacted with it. Heals transferred through the tether, he had a steroid that buffed both himself and the tether target, and his ult was a teleport that moved him and the target.

Obviously these specific examples would be blatantly OP in LoL, but the point is that the skill in and of itself was boring--it's the interactions that went with it that made it interesting. Insofar as Karma's kit has nothing else that directly interacts with Tether, it's not an interesting or fun skill on it's own, and I'd rather they gut the skill.

I'd love for them to do a fatal bonds/tether combo thing for karmas tether with mantra

if you hurt karma the tethered enemy takes damage if you heal the enemy karma gets healed if karma tethers to an ally damaging the ally karma takes the damage instead and healing karma heals the ally. that being said i feel S3's item choices are already a crazy karma buff to the point she does not need to be reworked.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
November 28 2012 01:21 GMT
#4548
I just managed to play a Normal against a TLer who recognizes my name (Hi Prinate)

Sorry for ruining the game. My team surrendered even though I told them I was reconnecting to fix my connection -_-
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 28 2012 01:30 GMT
#4549
Jax shits on WW really, really hard. Armor stacking alone doesn't cut it because he dishes out a lot of magic damage. Jax also has the edge over Irelia just by their champion design, but it's slight enough that if Irelia gets ahead due to a gank or by simply outplaying, then the lane can snowball in her direction. It's a skill matchup with a slight advantage for Jax.

On the other hand, Jax isn't really great against Vlad from my experiences from playing the matchup on both sides. Jax doesn't stick to Vlad as well as Irelia does. It's very playable for Vlad.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 28 2012 01:55 GMT
#4550
On November 28 2012 10:30 koreasilver wrote:
Jax shits on WW really, really hard. Armor stacking alone doesn't cut it because he dishes out a lot of magic damage. Jax also has the edge over Irelia just by their champion design, but it's slight enough that if Irelia gets ahead due to a gank or by simply outplaying, then the lane can snowball in her direction. It's a skill matchup with a slight advantage for Jax.

On the other hand, Jax isn't really great against Vlad from my experiences from playing the matchup on both sides. Jax doesn't stick to Vlad as well as Irelia does. It's very playable for Vlad.

he was talking about monkey
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 28 2012 02:03 GMT
#4551
Oh man, I got confused.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6214 Posts
November 28 2012 02:59 GMT
#4552
Alright I've played ranked for so long that I don't know how to do blinds now. Do I rush to lock something then call a lane or do I call the lane and then pick a champion? Complete massive retardation is abound @___@.
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
November 28 2012 03:01 GMT
#4553
In blinds you must drop your expectations of the meta because you'll get 2+ people instalocking mid or top or whatever with fairly high frequency. So just pick whatever champion you want and play it wherever you want. Or you can try to be helpful and fill in whatever your team needs most. Sometimes you can pick a champion and say a role and there's a slim chance your team will cooperate, but don't count on it.
3.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 03:10:50
November 28 2012 03:10 GMT
#4554
On November 28 2012 11:59 Lmui wrote:
Alright I've played ranked for so long that I don't know how to do blinds now. Do I rush to lock something then call a lane or do I call the lane and then pick a champion? Complete massive retardation is abound @___@.

call lane (''top'' or ''top pls''), then instalock, then dont say anything for highest success rate of getting what you want
if you dont want to be a dick though then just ask for a role, get the champion that you want and wait for the instalockers to lock and then decide if you want to fill in the role or whatever
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14023 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 03:18:45
November 28 2012 03:17 GMT
#4555
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13wcuo/official_announcement_new_moderators_and_the/

It appears reddit is trying to copy what we do here. I have little doubt it will fail horribly due to the structure that reddit is based on.

Still though now we have something else that we can be assured that we are better then reddit at .

Also the point about blinds is that you have to take it a bit less seriously then ranked. if you want to win you'll learn to play roles that other people don't like playing. Ie support le tank le jungle.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 03:20:20
November 28 2012 03:20 GMT
#4556
Dig vs CLG.na http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=1533
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 03:23:46
November 28 2012 03:22 GMT
#4557
WRONG THREAD
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 28 2012 03:23 GMT
#4558
On November 28 2012 12:17 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13wcuo/official_announcement_new_moderators_and_the/

It appears reddit is trying to copy what we do here. I have little doubt it will fail horribly due to the structure that reddit is based on.

Still though now we have something else that we can be assured that we are better then reddit at .

Also the point about blinds is that you have to take it a bit less seriously then ranked. if you want to win you'll learn to play roles that other people don't like playing. Ie support le tank le jungle.

Yeah, the comment system is not conducive for a general discussion thread like we have here. Do you just filter to see new comments? Seems really awkward in my opinion.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
November 28 2012 03:24 GMT
#4559
On November 28 2012 12:22 OutlaW- wrote:
WRONG THREAD

Here is the NESL link http://www.nationalesl.com/us/tv
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 28 2012 03:33 GMT
#4560
loco...
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Prev 1 226 227 228 229 230 280 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 687
IndyStarCraft 132
ProTech76
BRAT_OK 76
Railgan 54
JuggernautJason36
Codebar 26
MindelVK 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1519
Larva 283
hero 254
Leta 250
Mini 139
Dewaltoss 83
sas.Sziky 38
NaDa 20
ggaemo 18
Movie 16
[ Show more ]
Shine 4
ZZZero.O 2
Dota 2
PGG 89
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
byalli588
shoxiejesuss486
Stewie2K398
Foxcn265
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu462
Other Games
FrodaN2119
fl0m689
Mlord398
Skadoodle271
Sick132
Pyrionflax88
markeloff58
ViBE41
Trikslyr40
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 54
• Reevou 4
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler92
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2163
• Doublelift1924
Other Games
• Shiphtur319
• WagamamaTV212
Upcoming Events
OSC
2h 45m
Replay Cast
2h 45m
The PondCast
13h 45m
OSC
15h 45m
Wardi Open
1d 14h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Safe House 2
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Safe House 2
3 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.