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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 28 2012 00:26 GMT
#4541
On November 28 2012 09:11 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 08:56 OutlaW- wrote:
I don't know man, chances are you're probably just bad at laning. I never considered Jax as having a bad early game.

He's severely outclassed by a bunch of champions pre 6, but after that, Jax is pretty much the easiest champion to lane as, in my experience at least.

Completely different topic: are there champs that you just KNOW are great, stop playing at some point and then rediscover them? I just played a game of Wukong where I went Phage > Aegis > FMallet > LW and I wrecked faces. He's soooo tanky, yet deals ridiculous amounts of damage (that ult scaling) and is really really slippery. I don't know man, he just seems great.

Monkey's cool, but with Darius so popular it isn't too easy to line him up. He also loses to champs who can stack armor/HP and with sustain (WW, Irelia to some extent—enough armor runes—, etc.).
He destroys Teemo (with proper timing to be able to Q him), Kennen, Vlad and such though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
November 28 2012 00:26 GMT
#4542
On November 28 2012 09:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
Guinsoo is tweeting about the Karma rework again
Show nested quote +
I'm feeling frisky, so here's what we're trying with Karma's Mantra Soul Shield: "Stuns in an area around the target, damaging targets... and shielding the target based upon how many targets were hit."

That sounds broken lol

From what I recall of previous posts, Karma's Mantra was due to become much more of a true ultimate, getting a long cooldown but sticking with the idea of enhancing other abilities. I guess it would effectively mean Karma can choose to use one of three different ultimates depending on the situation. This one sounds like it would be similar to Lulu's ultimate.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 28 2012 00:30 GMT
#4543
After having played DotA for a long time, the one thing that irks me about Karma is that they more or less shoehorned in Wisp's Tether ability onto her kit, but they didn't import any of what made it fun. What made Wisp's Tether ability fun was that his entire kit interacted with it. Heals transferred through the tether, he had a steroid that buffed both himself and the tether target, and his ult was a teleport that moved him and the target.

Obviously these specific examples would be blatantly OP in LoL, but the point is that the skill in and of itself was boring--it's the interactions that went with it that made it interesting. Insofar as Karma's kit has nothing else that directly interacts with Tether, it's not an interesting or fun skill on it's own, and I'd rather they gut the skill.
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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 28 2012 00:32 GMT
#4544
On November 28 2012 09:26 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 09:11 Shiv. wrote:
On November 28 2012 08:56 OutlaW- wrote:
I don't know man, chances are you're probably just bad at laning. I never considered Jax as having a bad early game.

He's severely outclassed by a bunch of champions pre 6, but after that, Jax is pretty much the easiest champion to lane as, in my experience at least.

Completely different topic: are there champs that you just KNOW are great, stop playing at some point and then rediscover them? I just played a game of Wukong where I went Phage > Aegis > FMallet > LW and I wrecked faces. He's soooo tanky, yet deals ridiculous amounts of damage (that ult scaling) and is really really slippery. I don't know man, he just seems great.

Monkey's cool, but with Darius so popular it isn't too easy to line him up. He also loses to champs who can stack armor/HP and with sustain (WW, Irelia to some extent—enough armor runes—, etc.).
He destroys Teemo (with proper timing to be able to Q him), Kennen, Vlad and such though.

I agree, but I would argue that Wukong scales so insanely well that it's actually possible to put him up against certain champs that he loses to or doesn't flat out beat. I agree that he wins most if not all AP matchups, but I usually pick Jarvan into these because I feel way more comfortable and useful with him, because Jarvan is the single greatest champion in the game.
currently rooting for myself.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 28 2012 00:32 GMT
#4545
On November 28 2012 08:12 AsmodeusXI wrote:
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On November 28 2012 06:49 Requizen wrote:
On November 28 2012 06:44 overt wrote:
On November 28 2012 06:41 Requizen wrote:
On November 28 2012 06:39 overt wrote:
On November 28 2012 06:35 Sandster wrote:
On November 28 2012 05:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On November 28 2012 04:53 Sandster wrote:
Did anyone see this? Interesting strat from IG....


Is that a no-jungle elise/jax top lane?


That's a support Elise with Jax toplane, and a support Nunu with smite bot lane giving buffs to Graves early on.

m5 rolled IG but the gold was dead even out of the laning phase. Right now the lanes take jungles anyway, so IG took it to an extreme and gave all wolves/wraiths to mid and golems to bot lane, and buffs to the appropriate people.


Dunno if that strategy would work as well (or at all) on purple side 'cause bot lane can't farm golems. Also would be interesting to see how that strategy would work in the new jungle once that change hits. It's cool to see teams trying new stuff though.

You can do laneswap if you're purple side as well, I'd guess. If you take a champ who already can 1v2 lane (Jax, Irelia, etc) and give them the same sort of pseudo support like they did with Elise, it could work out.


I didn't really understand the Elise pick either to be honest. That team has no initiation minus Orianna or Elise's shitty initiation with her single target stun. All you need the top lane support for is harassing/zoning so that Jax or some other melee carry can get a big gold advantage even though he'll have a level disadvantage. There's surely other supports that could harass just as well or better while being more useful later in the game.

True, however, I think Elise has some of the higher base damage poke in the game with her humanoid abilities. If she can utilize that to harass out a top lane or just assist Jax in laning, Jax's late game can make up for hers in a big way. I think the strat has a lot of downsides that can be abused, but I don't think Elise as a champ is one of them.



EDIT:

I need an idea for a small but complex programming project that I can attach to my Riot application. What is something small that you guys think could be automated via a succinct and efficient program? I could do one of my bigger ideas, but they'd all be like, weeks to a month of work and I want to get this application out soon-ish.


GLGL. Don't have anything off the top of my head, but I have my second interview on Friday. TWO MORE TLERS IN RIOT PLOX.

Well, it's really more of a time killer for me, I don't expect to actually get hired.
It's your boy Guzma!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 28 2012 00:34 GMT
#4546
On November 28 2012 09:26 Jumbled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 09:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
Guinsoo is tweeting about the Karma rework again
I'm feeling frisky, so here's what we're trying with Karma's Mantra Soul Shield: "Stuns in an area around the target, damaging targets... and shielding the target based upon how many targets were hit."

That sounds broken lol

From what I recall of previous posts, Karma's Mantra was due to become much more of a true ultimate, getting a long cooldown but sticking with the idea of enhancing other abilities. I guess it would effectively mean Karma can choose to use one of three different ultimates depending on the situation. This one sounds like it would be similar to Lulu's ultimate.

I remember reading that now that you mention it, so it could be cool. Really depends on the duration of the stun, AOE size, and strength of the shield.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 01:16:13
November 28 2012 01:15 GMT
#4547
On November 28 2012 09:30 TheYango wrote:
After having played DotA for a long time, the one thing that irks me about Karma is that they more or less shoehorned in Wisp's Tether ability onto her kit, but they didn't import any of what made it fun. What made Wisp's Tether ability fun was that his entire kit interacted with it. Heals transferred through the tether, he had a steroid that buffed both himself and the tether target, and his ult was a teleport that moved him and the target.

Obviously these specific examples would be blatantly OP in LoL, but the point is that the skill in and of itself was boring--it's the interactions that went with it that made it interesting. Insofar as Karma's kit has nothing else that directly interacts with Tether, it's not an interesting or fun skill on it's own, and I'd rather they gut the skill.

I'd love for them to do a fatal bonds/tether combo thing for karmas tether with mantra

if you hurt karma the tethered enemy takes damage if you heal the enemy karma gets healed if karma tethers to an ally damaging the ally karma takes the damage instead and healing karma heals the ally. that being said i feel S3's item choices are already a crazy karma buff to the point she does not need to be reworked.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
November 28 2012 01:21 GMT
#4548
I just managed to play a Normal against a TLer who recognizes my name (Hi Prinate)

Sorry for ruining the game. My team surrendered even though I told them I was reconnecting to fix my connection -_-
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 28 2012 01:30 GMT
#4549
Jax shits on WW really, really hard. Armor stacking alone doesn't cut it because he dishes out a lot of magic damage. Jax also has the edge over Irelia just by their champion design, but it's slight enough that if Irelia gets ahead due to a gank or by simply outplaying, then the lane can snowball in her direction. It's a skill matchup with a slight advantage for Jax.

On the other hand, Jax isn't really great against Vlad from my experiences from playing the matchup on both sides. Jax doesn't stick to Vlad as well as Irelia does. It's very playable for Vlad.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 28 2012 01:55 GMT
#4550
On November 28 2012 10:30 koreasilver wrote:
Jax shits on WW really, really hard. Armor stacking alone doesn't cut it because he dishes out a lot of magic damage. Jax also has the edge over Irelia just by their champion design, but it's slight enough that if Irelia gets ahead due to a gank or by simply outplaying, then the lane can snowball in her direction. It's a skill matchup with a slight advantage for Jax.

On the other hand, Jax isn't really great against Vlad from my experiences from playing the matchup on both sides. Jax doesn't stick to Vlad as well as Irelia does. It's very playable for Vlad.

he was talking about monkey
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 28 2012 02:03 GMT
#4551
Oh man, I got confused.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
November 28 2012 02:59 GMT
#4552
Alright I've played ranked for so long that I don't know how to do blinds now. Do I rush to lock something then call a lane or do I call the lane and then pick a champion? Complete massive retardation is abound @___@.
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
November 28 2012 03:01 GMT
#4553
In blinds you must drop your expectations of the meta because you'll get 2+ people instalocking mid or top or whatever with fairly high frequency. So just pick whatever champion you want and play it wherever you want. Or you can try to be helpful and fill in whatever your team needs most. Sometimes you can pick a champion and say a role and there's a slim chance your team will cooperate, but don't count on it.
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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 03:10:50
November 28 2012 03:10 GMT
#4554
On November 28 2012 11:59 Lmui wrote:
Alright I've played ranked for so long that I don't know how to do blinds now. Do I rush to lock something then call a lane or do I call the lane and then pick a champion? Complete massive retardation is abound @___@.

call lane (''top'' or ''top pls''), then instalock, then dont say anything for highest success rate of getting what you want
if you dont want to be a dick though then just ask for a role, get the champion that you want and wait for the instalockers to lock and then decide if you want to fill in the role or whatever
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14197 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 03:18:45
November 28 2012 03:17 GMT
#4555
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13wcuo/official_announcement_new_moderators_and_the/

It appears reddit is trying to copy what we do here. I have little doubt it will fail horribly due to the structure that reddit is based on.

Still though now we have something else that we can be assured that we are better then reddit at .

Also the point about blinds is that you have to take it a bit less seriously then ranked. if you want to win you'll learn to play roles that other people don't like playing. Ie support le tank le jungle.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 03:20:20
November 28 2012 03:20 GMT
#4556
Dig vs CLG.na http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=1533
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 03:23:46
November 28 2012 03:22 GMT
#4557
WRONG THREAD
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 28 2012 03:23 GMT
#4558
On November 28 2012 12:17 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13wcuo/official_announcement_new_moderators_and_the/

It appears reddit is trying to copy what we do here. I have little doubt it will fail horribly due to the structure that reddit is based on.

Still though now we have something else that we can be assured that we are better then reddit at .

Also the point about blinds is that you have to take it a bit less seriously then ranked. if you want to win you'll learn to play roles that other people don't like playing. Ie support le tank le jungle.

Yeah, the comment system is not conducive for a general discussion thread like we have here. Do you just filter to see new comments? Seems really awkward in my opinion.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
November 28 2012 03:24 GMT
#4559
On November 28 2012 12:22 OutlaW- wrote:
WRONG THREAD

Here is the NESL link http://www.nationalesl.com/us/tv
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 28 2012 03:33 GMT
#4560
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