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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 27 2012 04:49 GMT
#4401
So if I understand the path to pro setup, from the standpoint of a NA player:

Top 32 ranked teams from NA will get into a single elim tourney.

Top 6 from that tourney will get into a cross regional tourney.

Top 5 from that tourney will get invited to the big riot sponsored tournies where they can get raped 0-4 by clg and m5 in the first two rounds and be left bleeding from their anuses by the side of the road.

So...

It's almost too easy.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 27 2012 05:02 GMT
#4402
On November 27 2012 13:49 UniversalSnip wrote:
So if I understand the path to pro setup, from the standpoint of a NA player:

Top 32 ranked teams from NA will get into a single elim tourney.

Top 6 from that tourney will get into a cross regional tourney.

Top 5 from that tourney will get invited to the big riot sponsored tournies where they can get raped 0-4 by clg and m5 in the first two rounds and be left bleeding from their anuses by the side of the road.

So...

It's almost too easy.

I think the idea is to get more/better exposure for soloq people so they can show off in ranked 5s and then get picked up by a real team looking to bench elementz.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 05:02:39
November 27 2012 05:02 GMT
#4403
We all know Shake's jungle Lee is stupid good, but when he plays it with Yiruru and Chrispy on his team things just get ridiculous. Seriously, watch this shit.

http://www.twitch.tv/shakedrizzle
whole lies with a half smile
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
November 27 2012 05:22 GMT
#4404
On November 27 2012 13:49 UniversalSnip wrote:
So if I understand the path to pro setup, from the standpoint of a NA player:

Top 32 ranked teams from NA will get into a single elim tourney.

Top 6 from that tourney will get into a cross regional tourney.

Top 5 from that tourney will get invited to the big riot sponsored tournies where they can get raped 0-4 by clg and m5 in the first two rounds and be left bleeding from their anuses by the side of the road.

So...

It's almost too easy.


Not exactly

Top 32 ladder teams go to Single elim tournament

Top 6 form that go to regional tournament (NA vs NA, EU vs EU) together with the teams from each regional that didnt qualify for season 2 championships.

Top 5 teams from that go to take the 3 last spots in NA (or EU depending on which region they can play in) and plays in the season 3 circuit championships w/e

and I guess top from that go to s3 playoffs at the end of the season
washed
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
November 27 2012 05:38 GMT
#4405
does any1 has a video tutorial that teaches u how to CS like a boss? I always see progamers' have very good farm like the value of CS is more than the game timer (eg: 200 cs in 20 mins)
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
November 27 2012 05:54 GMT
#4406
wait where did bestrivennas viewers come from?
GANDHISAUCE
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
November 27 2012 06:02 GMT
#4407
Not a list of higher profile streamers doing there thing right now. Partially from that and he did an ama on Reddit.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 27 2012 06:03 GMT
#4408
idk but i'm one of them!
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 06:22:30
November 27 2012 06:19 GMT
#4409
On November 27 2012 14:38 justiceknight wrote:
does any1 has a video tutorial that teaches u how to CS like a boss? I always see progamers' have very good farm like the value of CS is more than the game timer (eg: 200 cs in 20 mins)

i really dont understand what part of CSing needs a tutorial, it's simply a mechanic that you need to practice for yourself. If you're talking about farming in general, then try not to miss any waves by pushing your lane into the enemy's turret before doing other stuff like roaming or basing. The reason good mid laners consistently have 200 creeps in 20 minutes is because they take a wraith/wolf camp after pushing the wave. I'm not sure about the numbers exactly but I think like 230~ creeps spawn in 20 minutes, so you're still able to roam a little bit. Just push the wave and farm the jungler while you're not losing anything. Of course, often it's much better to just go gank a lane instead of farming a wraith, which is one of the reasons why you don't always see this numbers in soloq. For top lanerz, it's when they aren't forced to take the other guy's turret or to help their team, so they just stay top lane all day and farm. This isn't always (often actually) the best course of action so I advise comparing creep scores to your opponent, not some random number

Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 27 2012 06:23 GMT
#4410
Proudest moment of my LoL career was when my just-shy of gold 5s team, full of silver soloqueue players (and soniv) beat Best Riven NA's team, who I don't believe had anyone under gold.
whole lies with a half smile
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 27 2012 06:38 GMT
#4411
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 14:38 justiceknight wrote:
does any1 has a video tutorial that teaches u how to CS like a boss? I always see progamers' have very good farm like the value of CS is more than the game timer (eg: 200 cs in 20 mins)

i really dont understand what part of CSing needs a tutorial, it's simply a mechanic that you need to practice for yourself. If you're talking about farming in general, then try not to miss any waves by pushing your lane into the enemy's turret before doing other stuff like roaming or basing. The reason good mid laners consistently have 200 creeps in 20 minutes is because they take a wraith/wolf camp after pushing the wave. I'm not sure about the numbers exactly but I think like 230~ creeps spawn in 20 minutes, so you're still able to roam a little bit. Just push the wave and farm the jungler while you're not losing anything. Of course, often it's much better to just go gank a lane instead of farming a wraith, which is one of the reasons why you don't always see this numbers in soloq. For top lanerz, it's when they aren't forced to take the other guy's turret or to help their team, so they just stay top lane all day and farm. This isn't always (often actually) the best course of action so I advise comparing creep scores to your opponent, not some random number

Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

The main "difficulty" of getting high CS scores in a long game isn't really mechanical, but rather finding space to farm, and good moments to farm between fights. This isn't so much something you can teach more than something you get a feel for as you play. As you get a sense of your own tempo, you pick up on times when/how you can maximize your farm, corresponding to the ebb and flow of the lanes.

Though tbh in a lot of low level games there's a ton of wasted farm in a lot of places. People don't push out waves cleanly, let huge waves of creeps push into their towers while they're pushing as a team (if you're not pushing out your lanes before you push and big waves get wasted on your towers, you might waste just as much farm as pushing a tower as a team is worth), and do generally inefficient things like taking their jungler's wraiths while there's uncontested farm mid for them to take.
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
November 27 2012 06:47 GMT
#4412
On November 27 2012 15:38 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 27 2012 14:38 justiceknight wrote:
does any1 has a video tutorial that teaches u how to CS like a boss? I always see progamers' have very good farm like the value of CS is more than the game timer (eg: 200 cs in 20 mins)

i really dont understand what part of CSing needs a tutorial, it's simply a mechanic that you need to practice for yourself. If you're talking about farming in general, then try not to miss any waves by pushing your lane into the enemy's turret before doing other stuff like roaming or basing. The reason good mid laners consistently have 200 creeps in 20 minutes is because they take a wraith/wolf camp after pushing the wave. I'm not sure about the numbers exactly but I think like 230~ creeps spawn in 20 minutes, so you're still able to roam a little bit. Just push the wave and farm the jungler while you're not losing anything. Of course, often it's much better to just go gank a lane instead of farming a wraith, which is one of the reasons why you don't always see this numbers in soloq. For top lanerz, it's when they aren't forced to take the other guy's turret or to help their team, so they just stay top lane all day and farm. This isn't always (often actually) the best course of action so I advise comparing creep scores to your opponent, not some random number

Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

The main "difficulty" of getting high CS scores in a long game isn't really mechanical, but rather finding space to farm, and good moments to farm between fights. This isn't so much something you can teach more than something you get a feel for as you play. As you get a sense of your own tempo, you pick up on times when/how you can maximize your farm, corresponding to the ebb and flow of the lanes.

Though tbh in a lot of low level games there's a ton of wasted farm in a lot of places. People don't push out waves cleanly, let huge waves of creeps push into their towers while they're pushing as a team (if you're not pushing out your lanes before you push and big waves get wasted on your towers, you might waste just as much farm as pushing a tower as a team is worth), and do generally inefficient things like taking their jungler's wraiths while there's uncontested farm mid for them to take.


It's all that time when both teams group mid for no apparent reason with no real goal and just sit their and poke at each other for 3-4 minutes until people wander off to get buffs and farm lanes again :p.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 27 2012 06:50 GMT
#4413
On November 27 2012 15:38 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 27 2012 14:38 justiceknight wrote:
does any1 has a video tutorial that teaches u how to CS like a boss? I always see progamers' have very good farm like the value of CS is more than the game timer (eg: 200 cs in 20 mins)

i really dont understand what part of CSing needs a tutorial, it's simply a mechanic that you need to practice for yourself. If you're talking about farming in general, then try not to miss any waves by pushing your lane into the enemy's turret before doing other stuff like roaming or basing. The reason good mid laners consistently have 200 creeps in 20 minutes is because they take a wraith/wolf camp after pushing the wave. I'm not sure about the numbers exactly but I think like 230~ creeps spawn in 20 minutes, so you're still able to roam a little bit. Just push the wave and farm the jungler while you're not losing anything. Of course, often it's much better to just go gank a lane instead of farming a wraith, which is one of the reasons why you don't always see this numbers in soloq. For top lanerz, it's when they aren't forced to take the other guy's turret or to help their team, so they just stay top lane all day and farm. This isn't always (often actually) the best course of action so I advise comparing creep scores to your opponent, not some random number

Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

The main "difficulty" of getting high CS scores in a long game isn't really mechanical, but rather finding space to farm, and good moments to farm between fights. This isn't so much something you can teach more than something you get a feel for as you play. As you get a sense of your own tempo, you pick up on times when/how you can maximize your farm, corresponding to the ebb and flow of the lanes.

Though tbh in a lot of low level games there's a ton of wasted farm in a lot of places. People don't push out waves cleanly, let huge waves of creeps push into their towers while they're pushing as a team (if you're not pushing out your lanes before you push and big waves get wasted on your towers, you might waste just as much farm as pushing a tower as a team is worth), and do generally inefficient things like taking their jungler's wraiths while there's uncontested farm mid for them to take.

I agree, but if your mechanics aren't good then you won't be hitting those 10/100 creep scores anyway. People, even pros, frequently miss at least 20 creeps in the laning phase just by poor mechanics alone, and honestly, so do I.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 27 2012 06:51 GMT
#4414
On November 27 2012 15:23 Node wrote:
Proudest moment of my LoL career was when my just-shy of gold 5s team, full of silver soloqueue players (and soniv) beat Best Riven NA's team, who I don't believe had anyone under gold.

Ah, that was pretty good
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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
November 27 2012 07:10 GMT
#4415
On November 27 2012 15:50 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 15:38 TheYango wrote:
On November 27 2012 15:19 OutlaW- wrote:
On November 27 2012 14:38 justiceknight wrote:
does any1 has a video tutorial that teaches u how to CS like a boss? I always see progamers' have very good farm like the value of CS is more than the game timer (eg: 200 cs in 20 mins)

i really dont understand what part of CSing needs a tutorial, it's simply a mechanic that you need to practice for yourself. If you're talking about farming in general, then try not to miss any waves by pushing your lane into the enemy's turret before doing other stuff like roaming or basing. The reason good mid laners consistently have 200 creeps in 20 minutes is because they take a wraith/wolf camp after pushing the wave. I'm not sure about the numbers exactly but I think like 230~ creeps spawn in 20 minutes, so you're still able to roam a little bit. Just push the wave and farm the jungler while you're not losing anything. Of course, often it's much better to just go gank a lane instead of farming a wraith, which is one of the reasons why you don't always see this numbers in soloq. For top lanerz, it's when they aren't forced to take the other guy's turret or to help their team, so they just stay top lane all day and farm. This isn't always (often actually) the best course of action so I advise comparing creep scores to your opponent, not some random number

Also, I can't watch riven because he's only 14. I don't feel when when someone this young is better at the game than me. :x

The main "difficulty" of getting high CS scores in a long game isn't really mechanical, but rather finding space to farm, and good moments to farm between fights. This isn't so much something you can teach more than something you get a feel for as you play. As you get a sense of your own tempo, you pick up on times when/how you can maximize your farm, corresponding to the ebb and flow of the lanes.

Though tbh in a lot of low level games there's a ton of wasted farm in a lot of places. People don't push out waves cleanly, let huge waves of creeps push into their towers while they're pushing as a team (if you're not pushing out your lanes before you push and big waves get wasted on your towers, you might waste just as much farm as pushing a tower as a team is worth), and do generally inefficient things like taking their jungler's wraiths while there's uncontested farm mid for them to take.

I agree, but if your mechanics aren't good then you won't be hitting those 10/100 creep scores anyway. People, even pros, frequently miss at least 20 creeps in the laning phase just by poor mechanics alone, and honestly, so do I.


My personal goal is always 10 for every minute after the second (When minions are actually fighting).
Theoretically you can reach 12.67 (2 waves of 6 + 1 siege every third wave) per minute but the only ones who can do that are probably Froggen and Alex Ich. If you can get 10/minute and get some jungle camps as well, you are probably doing well enough.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 27 2012 07:22 GMT
#4416
what if you miss a doublekill just so that you can get your arbitrary goal? every game is different and roaming is much more important than a few cs
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 27 2012 07:27 GMT
#4417
Yo how do I fix not having chat in my replays? Resetting the chatbox .ini file didn't work. I'm talking about the observer replays that are supposed to show All chat, not the first person replays.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 27 2012 07:30 GMT
#4418
I thought it was impossible to get chat in the replays, due to some sort of oddity. I recall there were some discussion on the lolreplay forum about it.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 27 2012 07:53 GMT
#4419
WTF? St.V maxes E first on Lee Sin jungle? I've always thought it was always Q max first. wtf?
liftlift > tsm
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 27 2012 07:57 GMT
#4420
On November 27 2012 16:30 Sufficiency wrote:
I thought it was impossible to get chat in the replays, due to some sort of oddity. I recall there were some discussion on the lolreplay forum about it.

Oh, damn T_T thanks.

On November 27 2012 16:53 wei2coolman wrote:
WTF? St.V maxes E first on Lee Sin jungle? I've always thought it was always Q max first. wtf?

It's become the norm ever since Chauster started dominating with it. E>W>Q.

I still max Q>W>E because the cooldown on Q is the only one that goes down but his method is not bad at all.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
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