EPT[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 219
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 27 2012 07:48 Ketara wrote: So, I have a season 3 prediction: Yorick is going to get nerfed. The base movespeed bonus is big for him because he already doesn't start boots all the time. He can start with a mana charm or whatever its called and a flask for crazy regen and build straight into a Muramana which will give him all the damage his build will need, and then just build tanky. The new defense tree is way better for him with all the CC reduction, makes it much easier for him to just walk into the enemy team. I think he will be very OP. Anybody concur? Don't forget the removal of - minion damage. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 27 2012 04:41 AsmodeusXI wrote: Engineer, I assume? Just finished my Embermage playthrough. TL2 > D3 imoimo. ORITE LEAGUE: Ice skins are the best skins. Edit: Unless they release a series of the Arclight/Justicar skins. Wanna see a "hallowed angelic light" for Irelia, Diana, and Leona, then have Angel God Mode team rollout. Yes it's Engineer. I finished an Embermage playthrough once, but I am very unhappy about my skill choices so I decided to play a different class instead. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 27 2012 09:44 Sufficiency wrote: Don't forget the removal of - minion damage. ... the - minion damage is still there in the exact same place. It's the -2 ALL damage mastery that is gone. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On November 27 2012 09:51 koreasilver wrote: ... the - minion damage is still there in the exact same place. It's the -2 ALL damage mastery that is gone. minion =/= monster | ||
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Franthier
China64 Posts
On November 27 2012 09:51 koreasilver wrote: ... the - minion damage is still there in the exact same place. It's the -2 ALL damage mastery that is gone. TBH, that -2 damage from minions doesn't do much at all. I'd rather put those 2 points in something else. No wonder it got removed. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On November 27 2012 09:48 Sufficiency wrote: Yes it's Engineer. I finished an Embermage playthrough once, but I am very unhappy about my skill choices so I decided to play a different class instead. good design right there | ||
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tissue
Malaysia441 Posts
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
On November 27 2012 09:55 Franthier wrote: TBH, that -2 damage from minions doesn't do much at all. I'd rather put those 2 points in something else. No wonder it got removed. Sometimes it saves quite a bit of damage taken when freezing a lane. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On November 27 2012 09:55 Franthier wrote: TBH, that -2 damage from minions doesn't do much at all. I'd rather put those 2 points in something else. No wonder it got removed. you're crazy i take that shit on pretty much every champion that i play (unless some ap mids or support) if you're gonna be trading near creeps it gives you a huge advantage if the other guy doesnt have it On November 27 2012 09:57 tissue wrote: I've been watching some of the TPA streams, they're good and extremely entertaining as well, especially when they start duo queuing with Mistake. which? i only ever see toyz lol (i guess if u count them then zonda and godjj sometimes) | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 27 2012 09:55 Franthier wrote: TBH, that -2 damage from minions doesn't do much at all. I'd rather put those 2 points in something else. No wonder it got removed. wtf 11 points into defense was basically mandatory for top lane, and if you were playing balls to the walls 31|10 ArP Draven it helped you completely dominate the lane. The only way you wouldn't have known how strong the -2 damage and -2 minion damage is if you never ever played top lane throughout S2. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 27 2012 09:55 Franthier wrote: TBH, that -2 damage from minions doesn't do much at all. I'd rather put those 2 points in something else. No wonder it got removed. -2 Minion damage translates can translate into ~20 damage difference taken in melee autoattack trades in lane. When early autoattack trades often don't result in upwards of 150 damage, that's a very noticeable difference in the amount of damage taken, and that difference is even greater when the creep pressure is toward your side. | ||
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
On November 27 2012 10:03 koreasilver wrote: wtf 11 points into defense was basically mandatory for top lane, and if you were playing balls to the walls 31|10 ArP Draven it helped you completely dominate the lane. The only way you wouldn't have known how strong the -2 damage and -2 minion damage is if you never ever played top lane throughout S2. Or bot honestly. Mid and support are the only ones where it might be ok not to take it if you're going into defense at all. | ||
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koreasilver
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On November 27 2012 10:09 koreasilver wrote: There are a lot of AD carries that benefit a lot from the mana masteries in the utility tree though, so you can't put 11 points into defense. You would still often take the -2 minion damage though with the leftover points. i disagree mang if you're going to play aggressively at all then 11 in the defense tree is much better than some shitty 3 mana per 5 just waste less mana on creeps and you're already having more mana than what the mastery gives you. in the rare situations where u run oom and cant back sure it might suck but having 50 more hp and getting -4 dmg from creeps is still much more worth it. honestly i'd never get mana masteries anymore | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
Think about how much armor it coverts to. If you have 30 armor at the start of the game, a caster minion does 25*100/130 = 19.2 damage. -2 minion damage makes that 17.2 damage. In order to see how much armor that's equivalent to, solve for x in 25*100/(100+x)=17.2, and we get x=45.3. Those two mastery points were literally +15 armor vs minions. (The effect is even bigger vs melee minions, which have lower AD than caster minions) | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On November 27 2012 09:07 Seuss wrote: Fun Fact: Even if we assume identical armor values between Season 2 and 3, LW + APen Marks + Masteries is roughly equivalent up until you're attacking targets with very high Armor. Season 2: 21 + 46% Armor Penetration Season 3: 16.5 + 40% Armor Penetration Effective Penetration at Various Armor Levels (Season 2 | Season 3):
So really unless your targets are sporting significantly more than 100 Armor you're not going to notice the difference. If your champion has a % Reduction/Penetration effect there's never a point where you aren't better off in Season 3. Also the current price of BT on the PBE is identical to Live. So really the only nerf to AD casters/assassins is the GA nerf, which (given that they tend to have better health scaling and itemization to beginwith) isn't the end of the world (and in fact helps them as GA is also a favorite of their primary targets). Uh, TIL, thanks. I didn't do the precise maths but I expected the result to be actually "less grim" that what I said, but not to that extent (rather a "it'll be worse, but not to the point you're depicting"). And BT is actually a buff if it really didn't go up in price with the lower BFS. Now I'm just wondering about the timing for LW (but since it goes well with bruta I guess bruta > early armor other than chainvest), and the cost of lifesteal, but that one's just my playstyle (I chug a lot of pots when I play Talon because I take way more harass than I should if I was competent, not so much when I play Panth). | ||
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tissue
Malaysia441 Posts
On November 27 2012 09:59 OutlaW- wrote: which? i only ever see toyz lol (i guess if u count them then zonda and godjj sometimes) I only watched toyz and jj. Zonda, bebe and others were frequently on the opposing team though, I like how he screams when getting caught. Instead of the rage that seems to permeate NA solo queue, they genuinely seem to have a lot of fun regardless of the situation. | ||
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
On November 27 2012 10:44 tissue wrote: I only watched toyz and jj. Zonda, bebe and others were frequently on the opposing team though, I like how he screams when getting caught. Instead of the rage that seems to permeate NA solo queue, they genuinely seem to have a lot of fun regardless of the situation. Everytime toyz facechecks a bad bush I crack up when he says sorry. godjj is pretty funny too if you can understand chinese i guess. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
rofl edit: now you can see his triforce shirt and wtf.. his cam is so shaky and blurry... LOl what a guy | ||
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