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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 23 2012 18:33 GMT
#3501
On November 24 2012 03:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 23:44 cascades wrote:
Well we need the Lol drama thread back so it doesn't pollute GD. Neo plz.

As for Ahri, looks better than many official champions and skins. I don't mean to look down on what riot's artists have accomplished, but this skin...

No. Never.

But the drama was so entertaining! And I felt like I contributed to starting it by linking the Janook video.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 23 2012 18:41 GMT
#3502
And all you Fiora players... Add me on NA. I have never been sold on her, granted I haven't play her much either but i can't imagine her beating jax or Darius. ;/
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 23 2012 18:42 GMT
#3503
On November 24 2012 03:24 ManyCookies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 02:56 Alaric wrote:

Granted I play Jax/Irelia/Wukong/Pantheon/Olaf/Swain/Nunu top, who have (except for Nunu) a rather tough time against him, when not losing outright even with jungle help.



Wait really? I mean the Darius' at my level are probably not skilled by any means, but I've just shit on every Darius I've seen as Swain.

It's a bit like Irelia vs Olaf: you win at a certain point, but past that you just lose because you can't kill them anymore.
You can bully Darius pretty hard while his E is on cooldown, but he outdamages you pretty hard.
His apprehend has the same range (and a shorter animation) than your Torment so he will grab you, then auto->W, Q twice, and you'll have 4+ stacks of bleed on you. That's a fuckton of damage pre-6 when you have no sustain, so you can be in his kill range if he Q flash W you for the slow, then keep attacking and ignite, meaning you can't harass him as freely as it'd seem either.

At level 6 you can sustain some harass more easily, but can also kill you way more easily.

Finally, at all points in the game you will lose if you try to fight him to the death, because the discrepancy in sustained damage is actually huge. And since as the lane goes on short trades become sparser and sparser, he'll just buy some HP (or a hexdrinker) and every time you'll harass him you'll have the risk of him catching you and forcing a fight, which you'll lose because he can build HP/MR and still dish out the pain big times, while you can't do the same as you need AP and he does mixed damage.

It's possible that with enough harass and aggressive play Swain can zone Darius early and snowball that lead to crush him (I'm bad at successfully play aggressively with Swain) but from my experience once Darius gets a giant's belt he's basically won by being able to outlast you in fights to the death.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
November 23 2012 18:44 GMT
#3504
On November 24 2012 03:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
And all you Fiora players... Add me on NA. I have never been sold on her, granted I haven't play her much either but i can't imagine her beating jax or Darius. ;/



Don't know about darius but jax just ruins her day.

Fiora presses R, Jax presses E, Jax kills Fiora
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 18:47:27
November 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#3505
fiora sucks top, always has pretty much
fiora doesnt suck just people cant understand putting bruisers mid or bot
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 19:03:29
November 23 2012 19:02 GMT
#3506
Too bad khazix exists, he does the whole mid thing way better then fiora can ever dream of

better burst, actually has poke, better leap....etc its laughable
I come in for the scraps
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 19:12:06
November 23 2012 19:05 GMT
#3507
On November 24 2012 03:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
And all you Fiora players... Add me on NA. I have never been sold on her, granted I haven't play her much either but i can't imagine her beating jax or Darius. ;/

fiora gets trashed by any decent jax.

edit: I pretty much only pick fiora top vs irelia and shen.

e2: oh, and i've beaten kennen a couple of times with her.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 23 2012 19:06 GMT
#3508
On November 24 2012 03:47 Slayer91 wrote:
fiora sucks top, always has pretty much
fiora doesnt suck just people cant understand putting bruisers mid or bot

Haven't tried her bot yet and not sure if I ever will with Jayce, Pantheon and Jarvan existing, but she's AWESOME mid. I just can't agree with gtr saying her top laning is top 5 worthy.
currently rooting for myself.
CompX
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 19:10:09
November 23 2012 19:08 GMT
#3509
I was just thinking about cc during my walk, I figured out that there are only a hand full of champions (Kass, Talon, Raka, Lulu, Fid, etc) have silence as their primary/secondary disable. Is it because silence is such a weak disable that Riot think that stun, snare and slow> silence/they just totally forgot about such disable exist? But, in my opinion, silence is pretty strong, especially fid's darkwind in teamfights

man, I am tiny the stone GIANT!! ┌██┘
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 23 2012 19:17 GMT
#3510
Noob teams really.
Ad support top. Bruiser (think lee sin) mid. TP galio bot. Win hard or break even in all lanes. Crush every team objective and team fight. Wat enemy dew?

This knowledge bomb brought to you by Yango.
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jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
November 23 2012 19:19 GMT
#3511
On November 24 2012 01:52 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:11 thenexusp wrote:
On November 23 2012 23:25 spinesheath wrote:
I just found out that Trist can jump while jumping if she gets an assist while jumping. Should this be common knowledge?

Ever played against trist in an AI game and the AI does a jump away from you and fires a buster shot at almost the same time, opening an insane distance between you two? I feel like it's one of those moves that only really possible in a 0 ping environment

But yeah, I think I was mildly aware that trist could use abilities mid-jump, but never really took advantage of it

I do that all the time in a lower speed environment. I wasn't aware that Trist could jump while jumping though and I play a lot of Trist. Physics? What is that?

Tristana can do more than just ult while jumping. She can fire autos and Es as well. She can even flash though the times you want to are rare (avoid hooks, really make distance quickly).

Caitlyn can also place traps while netting iirc and you can do a really cool auto Q E trap combo.


Seeing as trist uses the kickback of her gun to jump it makes complete sense that she can do it in midair.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 19:20:57
November 23 2012 19:19 GMT
#3512
Irelia Jax and Udyr are like the only heroes that lee loses to - and he even beats jax for the first 9 or so levels. I think it's a bit ridiculous. Or maybe my Lee is just much better than my elo

jax is a very hard counter to fiora fyi. She's much, much better mid. Granted, saying she's a weak laner is plain wrong. You're probably playing her incorrectly.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 19:24:17
November 23 2012 19:22 GMT
#3513
Silence is either long (Soraka 2.5s, Kass 2.6s, Fid's only 1.2s but it can refresh itself with bounces) or tacked on a champ designed around cc (Fiddle, Lulu) or against mages (Kass, Talon) so I guess it's just that it isn't as generic as the other cc?
Maybe Riot doesn't want to put too many silences either because they screw "casters" way more than autoattackers (though even Jax or Olaf/Irelia lose a lot of potential while silenced; Ryze must be the champ on who I've felt the most crippled by a silence), and is also stronger than slows againt escapes as they prevent the target from flashing out, so it's deemed "unfun"?

Silences are either not worth against champs that don't mind much ("for the same duration I'd rather slow/root that bruiser") or crippling for casters because of their long duration, so it may not be the easiest disable to balance either.

Loads of "either" in there. Also:
On November 24 2012 04:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
Noob teams really.
Ad support top. Bruiser (think lee sin) mid. TP galio bot. Win hard or break even in all lanes. Crush every team objective and team fight. Wat enemy dew?

This knowledge bomb brought to you by Yango.

I raise you Graves top, Skarner jungle, Jarvan/Leona bot and Orianna mid.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 19:26:38
November 23 2012 19:23 GMT
#3514
On November 24 2012 04:08 CompX wrote:
I was just thinking about cc during my walk, I figured out that there are only a hand full of champions (Kass, Talon, Raka, Lulu, Fid, etc) have silence as their primary/secondary disable. Is it because silence is such a weak disable that Riot think that stun, snare and slow> silence/they just totally forgot about such disable exist? But, in my opinion, silence is pretty strong, especially fid's darkwind in teamfights


I think it's because Riot doesn't want to have people feel too helplessly and useless during a teamfight. Most silences have a duration upwards of two seconds (Fiddle being the big exception, but he is capable of silencing a single target for more than most people, at least in theory), Cho can silence you for 3 seconds straight. Getting stunned sucks, sure, but stuns usually last a second or maybe 1,5. Getting silenced is soooo much more infuriating for some reason, though. I guess it's ''unfun'' not being able to cast your abilites, and so Riot took a balancing approach where they didn't nerf the individual skills into the ground but rather branched out on forms of hard CC, resulting in less available sources of silences which last longer as a result.
On November 24 2012 04:19 OutlaW- wrote:
Irelia Jax and Udyr are like the only heroes that lee loses to - and he even beats jax for the first 9 or so levels. I think it's a bit ridiculous. Or maybe my Lee is just much better than my elo


It's true Lee has an easy time against basically everything but Irelia (Udyr isn't relevant enough any more to be considered imo), but that's doesn't mean he wins his lanes in a hard enough fashion for it to matter. If you manage not to be more than 20-30 CS behind a Lee as Jax, you will be a much much bigger threat than Lee, and that goes for a lot of top laners. Lee is AWESOME in lane and I plan on maining him this season, but you have to do some serious work to take this advantage into the later stages of the game.
currently rooting for myself.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
November 23 2012 19:30 GMT
#3515
On November 24 2012 04:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
Noob teams really.
Ad support top. Bruiser (think lee sin) mid. TP galio bot. Win hard or break even in all lanes. Crush every team objective and team fight. Wat enemy dew?

This knowledge bomb brought to you by Yango.

Why run TP on Galio bot lane? Can't quite get my head around that.
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Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 19:34:32
November 23 2012 19:30 GMT
#3516
On November 24 2012 04:08 CompX wrote:
I was just thinking about cc during my walk, I figured out that there are only a hand full of champions (Kass, Talon, Raka, Lulu, Fid, etc) have silence as their primary/secondary disable. Is it because silence is such a weak disable that Riot think that stun, snare and slow> silence/they just totally forgot about such disable exist? But, in my opinion, silence is pretty strong, especially fid's darkwind in teamfights


Silence is a lot stronger than the other CCs in some situations because it prevents you from casting summoners in addition to regular spells (stuns and snares don't prevent those except for flash and teleport(I think?)). It's stronger than a slow if they have flash or an escape ready for instance.. but it's not as useful as a snare or stun is for chaining CCs or preventing them from walking away, and it's not like it costs your opponent any mana, just delays them a little bit.

A complete list of silences, for reference:

Blitzcrank R: 0.5s / 30s CD (Only really useful as an interrupt)
Cho'Gath W: 2-3s / 13s CD (Very powerful cone silence)
Fiddlesticks E: 1.2s / 15-11s CD (somewhat luck based but very powerful against grouped up enemies akin to brand ultimate)
Garen Q: 1.5-2.5s / 8s CD (Melee on-hit modifier, not much to say about that one)
Kassadin Q: 1-2.6s / 9s CD (Probably the strongest one, considering what he can follow it up with)
LeBlanc Q-combo: 2s / 6s + 40-24s CD (LeBlanc sucks)
Malzahar Q: 1.4-3s / 9s CD (Very strong AoE silence)
Soraka E: 1.5-2.5s / 10s CD (Strong because it's free and hits instantly with decent range)
Talon E: 1s / 18-10s CD (gap closer & the shortest non-ultimate silence)
Viktor R: 0.5s / 120s CD (CHAOS STOOORM)
3.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 23 2012 19:33 GMT
#3517
DUDE YOU FORGOT VIKTOR HOW COULD YOU

1s on his ult, Blitz's style.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
November 23 2012 19:33 GMT
#3518
GG Jessica Jung and SNSD Jessica both on HSGG's team on stream...is this real life.
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
November 23 2012 19:33 GMT
#3519
On November 24 2012 04:33 Alaric wrote:
DUDE YOU FORGOT VIKTOR HOW COULD YOU

1s on his ult, Blitz's style.

Stupid wiki...
3.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 19:35:44
November 23 2012 19:35 GMT
#3520
Scumbag wiki. :<
But it's fine if even them forget about Viktor's strengths. It's still one of the reasons he trashes Katarina.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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