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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 19 2012 19:24 GMT
#2481
Seeing how many people want to learn Viktor for S3 means I have to update the thread, doesn't it...
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 19 2012 19:26 GMT
#2482
On November 20 2012 04:21 sung_moon wrote:
Wow I was at the highest 1300 S2 so I probably have no room to talk here, but I'm watching TOO's stream and holy shit this is too funny. Have yet to do my placements for S3, but his teammates make me wonder how these ppl even got gold/plat (esp. the last game the game just now with his Jax teammate). This is like worse than silver league ranked.

ELO inflation is a terrible thing.
It's your boy Guzma!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 19 2012 19:26 GMT
#2483
On November 20 2012 04:21 sung_moon wrote:
Wow I was at the highest 1300 S2 so I probably have no room to talk here, but I'm watching TOO's stream and holy shit this is too funny. Have yet to do my placements for S3, but his teammates make me wonder how these ppl even got gold/plat (esp. the last game the game just now with his Jax teammate). This is like worse than silver league ranked.


It is jarring to see him teamed up with people who only made Gold. I mean, I suck, but what I know because of that is that there's no way Golds should be playing with TOO. They'd look WAY worse by comparison (see the aforementioned Jax).
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 19 2012 19:35 GMT
#2484
On November 20 2012 04:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Seeing how many people want to learn Viktor for S3 means I have to update the thread, doesn't it...

You remind me of myself talking about searching for a job. On the plus side, your concern isn't as big.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
November 19 2012 19:46 GMT
#2485
Trust me, they are going to lose all of their elo once the good people start playing more games. Or elo is going to inflate more so riot has to change or cut offs or add another tier. I gained 300 elo in less than a week of playing in S2. I farm bad players for their elo.

I am the elo police (99%).
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 19 2012 19:46 GMT
#2486
On November 20 2012 04:35 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 04:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Seeing how many people want to learn Viktor for S3 means I have to update the thread, doesn't it...

You remind me of myself talking about searching for a job. On the plus side, your concern isn't as big.

"Seeing how frequently I browse LiquidParty until early in the morning, I should probably get a job, shouldn't I?"
Which reminds me, we should use the time from 3:30-7 AM to hammer out lane mechanics and shit, ques take forever during these times anyways.
currently rooting for myself.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14102 Posts
November 19 2012 19:53 GMT
#2487
On November 20 2012 04:11 Kouda wrote:
Can anyone explain to me wing's double tap/jump on jax thing? I hear about it, and since I'm learning Jax now. I think it sounds important l0l


Basicaly how it goes is that you're trying to proc your ults third this extra damage thing on your jump. What you do is that you hit minions twice and then you q leapstrike onto them. After seeing the ults proc you imediatly hit w for another aa w combo. From there you've already own the trade pretty hard and you need to judge what to do next. if they run away from you you do the same and go back to farming minions. if they start aaing you back you pop your e and keep aa'ing and wing when that gets up. This is the core of why jax auto wins so many lanes. no champ really has a response to this kind of skirmishing.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 19:54:59
November 19 2012 19:54 GMT
#2488
On November 20 2012 04:46 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 04:35 Alaric wrote:
On November 20 2012 04:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Seeing how many people want to learn Viktor for S3 means I have to update the thread, doesn't it...

You remind me of myself talking about searching for a job. On the plus side, your concern isn't as big.

"Seeing how frequently I browse LiquidParty until early in the morning, I should probably get a job, shouldn't I?"
Which reminds me, we should use the time from 3:30-7 AM to hammer out lane mechanics and shit, ques take forever during these times anyways.

Or, you know, sleep.

Is there a big list of all S3 items somewhere? All this talk about theorycrafting has made me want to put together a pool of items for each champ I play so I can start hammering out some rough builds.

Edit: Not just the new ones, but the stats and prices of all the ones that are changing as well.
It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 19 2012 19:57 GMT
#2489
On November 20 2012 04:26 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 04:21 sung_moon wrote:
Wow I was at the highest 1300 S2 so I probably have no room to talk here, but I'm watching TOO's stream and holy shit this is too funny. Have yet to do my placements for S3, but his teammates make me wonder how these ppl even got gold/plat (esp. the last game the game just now with his Jax teammate). This is like worse than silver league ranked.


It is jarring to see him teamed up with people who only made Gold. I mean, I suck, but what I know because of that is that there's no way Golds should be playing with TOO. They'd look WAY worse by comparison (see the aforementioned Jax).


I've encountered a number of people who were obviously boosted to their S2 rankings, whether via friends on their accounts or through 3s/5s teams carrying them. The most egregious so far was a "platinum" Twitch player in the 1300 range who genuinely deserved to be in the triple digits. He couldn't CS to save his life, was continually caught and murdered, had the game sense of someone who'd never played the game, and built horribly wrong. Thankfully he was on the enemy team. :D
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 19 2012 19:57 GMT
#2490
TBH the old cost-efficiency spreadsheet will need to be redone (I don't think it's been updated in a while anyway). That in and of itself will be quite useful, as well as calculating the gold value per point of the new/redone masteries.
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bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
November 19 2012 19:58 GMT
#2491
So I feel like I'm never really improving much because I'm way too inconsistent. Some days I'll go on long win streaks, but other days (it feels more often) I'll always do something stupid early on then be fairly irrelevant the rest of the game.

Is there any good top laner that allows you to catch up if you outplay the opponent despite making early mistakes? e.g. someone who isn't too vulnerable to making the lane snowball. I'm fine if that means it won't snowball in my favor either.

I might just revert to playing bankplank since I usually did well with him when I just farmed (it's low elo; apparently many people can't deal with the stress of me not trying to kill them). But common Jax and Irelia picks tend to screw me over there. (Also, screw Irelia.)

Maybe I should just play mid where being impatient is nowhere as punishing :-/
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 19:59:43
November 19 2012 19:58 GMT
#2492
Does anyone know if the Mastermind mastery stacks with Distortion boots? If so that would be a 35% CDR on flash, and (assuming you put a point in Summoners Insight) you could drop the cooldown to around 3 minutes and 8 seconds. Flash every 3 minutes sounds pretty good.

Edit: Or I could be wrong, time math was never my strong suit.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 20:09:09
November 19 2012 20:06 GMT
#2493
On November 20 2012 04:58 bmn wrote:
So I feel like I'm never really improving much because I'm way too inconsistent. Some days I'll go on long win streaks, but other days (it feels more often) I'll always do something stupid early on then be fairly irrelevant the rest of the game.

Is there any good top laner that allows you to catch up if you outplay the opponent despite making early mistakes? e.g. someone who isn't too vulnerable to making the lane snowball. I'm fine if that means it won't snowball in my favor either.

I might just revert to playing bankplank since I usually did well with him when I just farmed (it's low elo; apparently many people can't deal with the stress of me not trying to kill them). But common Jax and Irelia picks tend to screw me over there. (Also, screw Irelia.)

Maybe I should just play mid where being impatient is nowhere as punishing :-/

I feel that Lee is a really safe laner in general. You can fall behind, but it's a lot easier to catch up compared to, say, Irelia or Jax when you fall behind.

Truth be told, it kind of takes away the point if picking Lee (which is being an annoying, dominant asshole) in the first place, and late game Lee is more of a peeler than an assassin with the most builds out there, but if you master the monk he offers INSANE amounts of utility for the whole team.

Oh, stupid me. I forgot about Darius. He's good too. Go 0/7 in lane, first teamfight, back to 5/7. And he's good against Jax and Irelia.
currently rooting for myself.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 20:08:54
November 19 2012 20:07 GMT
#2494
On November 20 2012 04:54 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 04:46 Shiv. wrote:
On November 20 2012 04:35 Alaric wrote:
On November 20 2012 04:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Seeing how many people want to learn Viktor for S3 means I have to update the thread, doesn't it...

You remind me of myself talking about searching for a job. On the plus side, your concern isn't as big.

"Seeing how frequently I browse LiquidParty until early in the morning, I should probably get a job, shouldn't I?"
Which reminds me, we should use the time from 3:30-7 AM to hammer out lane mechanics and shit, ques take forever during these times anyways.

Or, you know, sleep.

Is there a big list of all S3 items somewhere? All this talk about theorycrafting has made me want to put together a pool of items for each champ I play so I can start hammering out some rough builds.

Edit: Not just the new ones, but the stats and prices of all the ones that are changing as well.

Pretty sure this one has everything you're looking for

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/22382-pbe-changes-for-11-15-season-3-items-patch-nami
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 19 2012 20:07 GMT
#2495
On November 20 2012 04:58 bmn wrote:
So I feel like I'm never really improving much because I'm way too inconsistent. Some days I'll go on long win streaks, but other days (it feels more often) I'll always do something stupid early on then be fairly irrelevant the rest of the game.

Is there any good top laner that allows you to catch up if you outplay the opponent despite making early mistakes? e.g. someone who isn't too vulnerable to making the lane snowball. I'm fine if that means it won't snowball in my favor either.

I might just revert to playing bankplank since I usually did well with him when I just farmed (it's low elo; apparently many people can't deal with the stress of me not trying to kill them). But common Jax and Irelia picks tend to screw me over there. (Also, screw Irelia.)

Maybe I should just play mid where being impatient is nowhere as punishing :-/

Just focus on the hero that's the most fun for you. Irelia can lane against everyone and doesn't care if she's behind too much(true for most match ups but not all), Jax scales well, too, so does Vlad. But if you like GP then just play gp..
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 19 2012 20:15 GMT
#2496
On November 20 2012 05:07 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 04:58 bmn wrote:
So I feel like I'm never really improving much because I'm way too inconsistent. Some days I'll go on long win streaks, but other days (it feels more often) I'll always do something stupid early on then be fairly irrelevant the rest of the game.

Is there any good top laner that allows you to catch up if you outplay the opponent despite making early mistakes? e.g. someone who isn't too vulnerable to making the lane snowball. I'm fine if that means it won't snowball in my favor either.

I might just revert to playing bankplank since I usually did well with him when I just farmed (it's low elo; apparently many people can't deal with the stress of me not trying to kill them). But common Jax and Irelia picks tend to screw me over there. (Also, screw Irelia.)

Maybe I should just play mid where being impatient is nowhere as punishing :-/

Just focus on the hero that's the most fun for you. Irelia can lane against everyone and doesn't care if she's behind too much(true for most match ups but not all), Jax scales well, too, so does Vlad. But if you like GP then just play gp..

Besides, GP is a good pick for that situation, in my opinion. If you get behind, you can always relegate yourself to sitting back, farming with Q, and healing yourself. Maxing Oranges makes you very hard to kill for most non-burst top laners, so if you find yourself in a bad spot, just do that. GP's lategame is pretty damn good, all things considered, so even if you're not crushing your lane, you can always just bank on that.

My personal problem that I have with Bankplank is that I always forget that you can't fight worth shit until your gold starts kicking in, lol. I die way too much trying to fight the DBlade stacking Jayce while I've got Avarice/Philo.
It's your boy Guzma!
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 19 2012 20:23 GMT
#2497
Bankplank can still outright kill many top laners who build real items.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 19 2012 20:27 GMT
#2498
Some yeah, but not the big bullies which you see a lot in solo queue (or at least in my elo). The ones you can't trade against normally (Darius, Riven) you can trade against even less, and get dumped on even more. But it's fine, because you can just kind of farm to TF/IE/Warmog's and win.

I'm going to be very excited with S3, when Avarice builds into Atma's. It still won't be the best item, but at least it's a nice build path for the gold item.
It's your boy Guzma!
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
November 19 2012 20:43 GMT
#2499
I thought the point of Bankplank was not to trade but just sit at tower and wait for the jangle to come. I don't think anyone supports a gank like Gangplank.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3245 Posts
November 19 2012 20:45 GMT
#2500
one of the problem I see with gp is that you are unable to pressure your lane on any decent top pick. even if he cant outright kill you, he can just shove and gank mid
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