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On November 10 2012 09:51 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 09:21 Cloud9157 wrote:Friend of mine found this on the forums. inb4 already posted: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2777657Basically, play Ryze->win free elo. Rushing AAs actually looks to be the go to build on him now. Of course, the disadvantage of that is not having a catalyst for sustain. But that active is retarded. Now instead of having 2k mana left after team fights, hes only going to have 1000. To be honest ryze has been really really trash tier ever sense his remake. He just literally gets trashed by every single other mid in the game. He has no reliable poke no hard cc no mobility and no sustain or shielding of any sort. yeah his ult gives him some spell vamp and ms but even that is really meh in lane. He can turn into a real monster late game but he simply can't get anywhere near there when he literally has no laneing presence of any way.
wtf? Are you joking?
His early early game is meh, but once he gets a tear+cata, he's literally even with every other AP mid out there. With blue buff, he can afford to hit anyone with QWEQ which trades evenly with every other mage out there. Where the hell do you get the idea that ryze is a poor mage until lategame?
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You only need to ward lane bush + river if your mid has just one ward (and everyone is going to have 5 million wards now)
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On November 10 2012 09:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be honest ryze has been really really trash tier ever sense his remake. He just literally gets trashed by every single other mid in the game. He has no reliable poke no hard cc no mobility and no sustain or shielding of any sort.
uhhhhhhhhh
not sure if you're trolling but ryze has been one of the STRONGEST ap mids since his remake
if you give him an inch he takes a mile, builds pure tank and still out bursts and out-dps's every other mage in the game
ryze is silly strong, just not played very frequently
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On November 10 2012 09:37 gtrsrs wrote:
there's no way half of these are going through
i mean, mogwai is on the team now
you think he's going to let that wardstone pass through QA? you mus' be crayyyyzeeee!
i've heard rumors from friends in the game industry that QA/balance testers at riot are the bottom of the totem pole there...
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Jesus it's like every single change to any champion or items is met with "this is so dumb worst idea ever gamebreaking and/or useless because it's different bullshit".
I'll be laughing with some tea when Sightstone sees no changes and is only bought by supports 5 months from now. Stop thinking about the item in terms of today's item selection, I'm sure there's going to be a dozen more just as bullshit items for every other role.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Remember that these are all some-what experimental. One of the problems with the internal testing at Riot is that there's not enough people to fully "stress-test" everything. There are going to be abuse cases that get out. That being said however, testing does reveal some very interesting things about whether where power levels lie in a practical sense rather than in theorycraft land.
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On November 10 2012 10:27 Requizen wrote:
Jesus it's like every single change to any champion or items is met with "this is so dumb worst idea ever gamebreaking and/or useless because it's different bullshit".
I'll be laughing with some tea when Sightstone sees no changes and is only bought by supports 5 months from now. Stop thinking about the item in terms of today's item selection, I'm sure there's going to be a dozen more just as bullshit items for every other role.
Omniscient Dagger (1000 Gold)
+25 Attack Damage
+10% Movespeed
Unique Passive - Your basic attacks slow your target's Movement Speed by 20% for 2 seconds.
Unique Passive - Refresh (Reveal) : Starts with 4 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop.
Unique Active - Reveal: Consumes a charge to reveal the entire map for 6 seconds
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Well, sub 1320 Elo, I guess I won't hit gold. I almost believed in it.
On the other hand, it's friday evening... even waiting for "kid's hour" to be over doesn't cut it on week-ends.
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I'm dumb, ain't I? 
Oh well, time to practice new mids in normals!
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What game is CLG playing right now? A scrim or a tournament game?
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Well new items are always hit-or-miss. Morello's Evil Tome, Cloak and Dagger, Athene's Unholy Grail (which may need a small nerf).
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CLG is playing their TSM weekly tournament game I think.
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Just had a game not starting on EUW. Problems again? Somebody dodged after a bit less than a minute so I don't know if it'd have launched eventually.
Edit: yeah, that's twice. It started after awhile, though.
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On November 10 2012 10:30 MoonBear wrote:
Remember that these are all some-what experimental. One of the problems with the internal testing at Riot is that there's not enough people to fully "stress-test" everything. There are going to be abuse cases that get out. That being said however, testing does reveal some very interesting things about whether where power levels lie in a practical sense rather than in theorycraft land.
Obviously Riot needs to let me into their secret testing realm.
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Simple math on spirit stone, it's about 300 gold under cost - in other words, you pay as much for the gold generation as with the gp/10s - and treating wards as 75 gold each it generates about 60% more value.
So... yeah. On the other hand, generating wards definitely isn't as good as generating an equivalent value of gold, simply because you can spend the gold on wards or anything else you like.
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On November 10 2012 10:12 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 09:51 Sermokala wrote:On November 10 2012 09:21 Cloud9157 wrote:Friend of mine found this on the forums. inb4 already posted: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2777657Basically, play Ryze->win free elo. Rushing AAs actually looks to be the go to build on him now. Of course, the disadvantage of that is not having a catalyst for sustain. But that active is retarded. Now instead of having 2k mana left after team fights, hes only going to have 1000. To be honest ryze has been really really trash tier ever sense his remake. He just literally gets trashed by every single other mid in the game. He has no reliable poke no hard cc no mobility and no sustain or shielding of any sort. yeah his ult gives him some spell vamp and ms but even that is really meh in lane. He can turn into a real monster late game but he simply can't get anywhere near there when he literally has no laneing presence of any way. wtf? Are you joking? His early early game is meh, but once he gets a tear+cata, he's literally even with every other AP mid out there. With blue buff, he can afford to hit anyone with QWEQ which trades evenly with every other mage out there. Where the hell do you get the idea that ryze is a poor mage until lategame?
His winrate in soloQ seem to suggest that he is kind of trash-tier for soloQ play.
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On November 10 2012 09:51 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 09:21 Cloud9157 wrote:Friend of mine found this on the forums. inb4 already posted: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2777657Basically, play Ryze->win free elo. Rushing AAs actually looks to be the go to build on him now. Of course, the disadvantage of that is not having a catalyst for sustain. But that active is retarded. Now instead of having 2k mana left after team fights, hes only going to have 1000. To be honest ryze has been really really trash tier ever sense his remake. He just literally gets trashed by every single other mid in the game. He has no reliable poke no hard cc no mobility and no sustain or shielding of any sort. yeah his ult gives him some spell vamp and ms but even that is really meh in lane. He can turn into a real monster late game but he simply can't get anywhere near there when he literally has no laneing presence of any way.
I can apply pretty much every thing you said (outside of the poke) to Karthus. That doesn't stop him from being arguably the strongest team-fighting mage in the game come mid-game to late-game. Him and Ryze are the exact same type of mage, except Ryze does what he does to people one at a time.
Also, Ryze borken. Needs nerf pl0x kthx
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United States4423 Posts
On November 10 2012 10:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
Simple math on spirit stone, it's about 300 gold under cost - in other words, you pay as much for the gold generation as with the gp/10s - and treating wards as 75 gold each it generates about 60% more value.
So... yeah. On the other hand, generating wards definitely isn't as good as generating an equivalent value of gold, simply because you can spend the gold on wards or anything else you like.
I'm going to go boots5 tp support and ward EVERYTHING. Where's your gold calculations now?
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On November 10 2012 10:56 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 10:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
Simple math on spirit stone, it's about 300 gold under cost - in other words, you pay as much for the gold generation as with the gp/10s - and treating wards as 75 gold each it generates about 60% more value.
So... yeah. On the other hand, generating wards definitely isn't as good as generating an equivalent value of gold, simply because you can spend the gold on wards or anything else you like. I'm going to go boots5 tp support and ward EVERYTHING. Where's your gold calculations now?
Do you really need TP when the wards can only be put down 2 at a time?
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On November 10 2012 10:32 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 10:27 Requizen wrote:
Jesus it's like every single change to any champion or items is met with "this is so dumb worst idea ever gamebreaking and/or useless because it's different bullshit".
I'll be laughing with some tea when Sightstone sees no changes and is only bought by supports 5 months from now. Stop thinking about the item in terms of today's item selection, I'm sure there's going to be a dozen more just as bullshit items for every other role. Omniscient Dagger (1000 Gold) +25 Attack Damage +10% Movespeed Unique Passive - Your basic attacks slow your target's Movement Speed by 20% for 2 seconds. Unique Passive - Refresh (Reveal) : Starts with 4 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop. Unique Active - Reveal: Consumes a charge to reveal the entire map for 6 seconds
Is this one real? It sounds horribly overpowered, especially considering the pricepoint.
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On November 10 2012 11:00 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 10:32 sob3k wrote:On November 10 2012 10:27 Requizen wrote:
Jesus it's like every single change to any champion or items is met with "this is so dumb worst idea ever gamebreaking and/or useless because it's different bullshit".
I'll be laughing with some tea when Sightstone sees no changes and is only bought by supports 5 months from now. Stop thinking about the item in terms of today's item selection, I'm sure there's going to be a dozen more just as bullshit items for every other role. Omniscient Dagger (1000 Gold) +25 Attack Damage +10% Movespeed Unique Passive - Your basic attacks slow your target's Movement Speed by 20% for 2 seconds. Unique Passive - Refresh (Reveal) : Starts with 4 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop. Unique Active - Reveal: Consumes a charge to reveal the entire map for 6 seconds Is this one real? It sounds horribly overpowered, especially considering the pricepoint.
yeah it's confirmed
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