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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-10 02:03:14
November 10 2012 02:02 GMT
#5541
On November 10 2012 11:00 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 11:00 Simberto wrote:
On November 10 2012 10:32 sob3k wrote:
On November 10 2012 10:27 Requizen wrote:
Jesus it's like every single change to any champion or items is met with "this is so dumb worst idea ever gamebreaking and/or useless because it's different bullshit".

I'll be laughing with some tea when Sightstone sees no changes and is only bought by supports 5 months from now. Stop thinking about the item in terms of today's item selection, I'm sure there's going to be a dozen more just as bullshit items for every other role.


Omniscient Dagger (1000 Gold)
+25 Attack Damage
+10% Movespeed
Unique Passive - Your basic attacks slow your target's Movement Speed by 20% for 2 seconds.
Unique Passive - Refresh (Reveal) : Starts with 4 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop.
Unique Active - Reveal: Consumes a charge to reveal the entire map for 6 seconds


Is this one real? It sounds horribly overpowered, especially considering the pricepoint.


yeah it's confirmed


Get ahead top lane, buy this, other guy can do absolutely NOTHING. You move faster than them, can permaslow them, AND to prep for allin you just pop in and then go if it's safe.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 10 2012 02:03 GMT
#5542
On November 10 2012 11:00 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 10:32 sob3k wrote:
On November 10 2012 10:27 Requizen wrote:
Jesus it's like every single change to any champion or items is met with "this is so dumb worst idea ever gamebreaking and/or useless because it's different bullshit".

I'll be laughing with some tea when Sightstone sees no changes and is only bought by supports 5 months from now. Stop thinking about the item in terms of today's item selection, I'm sure there's going to be a dozen more just as bullshit items for every other role.


Omniscient Dagger (1000 Gold)
+25 Attack Damage
+10% Movespeed
Unique Passive - Your basic attacks slow your target's Movement Speed by 20% for 2 seconds.
Unique Passive - Refresh (Reveal) : Starts with 4 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop.
Unique Active - Reveal: Consumes a charge to reveal the entire map for 6 seconds


Is this one real? It sounds horribly overpowered, especially considering the pricepoint.

Yeah, builds into

Imba Swordchucks (200g + 2 Omnicient Daggers)
+70 AD
+50% MS
Unique Passive - You slow nearby enemy's Movement Speed by 20%
Unique Passive - Reveal: There is no fog of war
It's your boy Guzma!
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
November 10 2012 02:06 GMT
#5543
My best guess is they really want early aggression and not having the jungler ruin all the fun.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 10 2012 02:06 GMT
#5544
Man, I usually like to read this thread for the interesting discussions, but everyone is just being so negative. People thought the items and build paths were stale, Riot is changing them, and now people are saying there's too much change. Honestly I think releasing all of this info in small chunks makes it worse for the theorycrafting. It's easy make things sound all doom and gloom when we don't know the full extent of all the changes.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11774 Posts
November 10 2012 02:10 GMT
#5545
Hey, with all the weird items going on, one never knows. The sightstone would be in the "items i didn't expect" category, too. Cheaper then a HoG, slightly less life on it, and 4 free wards every time you back. At this point i think the best course of action is to just ignore all this stuff and wait for what will really happen, because this complete item overhaul appears to lead to a situation where you can't really judge those in comparison to the current items anymore, but would need to judge them in the light of the complete new itemset, as apparently there are a lot of new ideas and items.

If "free ward" item goes through similar to this, i'd assume that there will be a better way of antiwarding then the risky oracles, as if that is not the case, you basically condemn the jungler to farming and trying to contest objectives, and maybe ganking very early before wards are out, because after you got 2-3 of those on your team pretty much all of the map will be warded. I don't really think the game needs to be more passive.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 10 2012 02:19 GMT
#5546
On November 10 2012 11:03 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 11:00 Simberto wrote:
On November 10 2012 10:32 sob3k wrote:
On November 10 2012 10:27 Requizen wrote:
Jesus it's like every single change to any champion or items is met with "this is so dumb worst idea ever gamebreaking and/or useless because it's different bullshit".

I'll be laughing with some tea when Sightstone sees no changes and is only bought by supports 5 months from now. Stop thinking about the item in terms of today's item selection, I'm sure there's going to be a dozen more just as bullshit items for every other role.


Omniscient Dagger (1000 Gold)
+25 Attack Damage
+10% Movespeed
Unique Passive - Your basic attacks slow your target's Movement Speed by 20% for 2 seconds.
Unique Passive - Refresh (Reveal) : Starts with 4 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop.
Unique Active - Reveal: Consumes a charge to reveal the entire map for 6 seconds


Is this one real? It sounds horribly overpowered, especially considering the pricepoint.

Yeah, builds into

Imba Swordchucks (200g + 2 Omnicient Daggers)
+70 AD
+50% MS
Unique Passive - You slow nearby enemy's Movement Speed by 20%
Unique Passive - Reveal: There is no fog of war


confirmed on saintvicious' stream
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
November 10 2012 02:20 GMT
#5547
On November 10 2012 11:06 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
My best guess is they really want early aggression and not having the jungler ruin all the fun.


Montok's Lance (2200 Gold)
+40 Attack Damage
+20% Cooldown Reduction
+40 Tenacity
Unique Active - Slows target champion movement speed by 50% for 3 seconds and reveals them for 3 minutes (900 range). 120 second cooldown.
Unique Active - Instantly returns your champion to the nearest friendly turret. 40 second cooldown.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
November 10 2012 02:22 GMT
#5548
On November 10 2012 11:20 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 11:06 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
My best guess is they really want early aggression and not having the jungler ruin all the fun.


Montok's Lance (2200 Gold)
+40 Attack Damage
+20% Cooldown Reduction
+40 Tenacity
Unique Active - Slows target champion movement speed by 50% for 3 seconds and reveals them for 3 minutes (900 range). 120 second cooldown.
Unique Active - Instantly returns your champion to the nearest friendly turret. 40 second cooldown.

Now you're not even trying. 3 min reveal on 2 min CD. Really...?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-10 02:22:54
November 10 2012 02:22 GMT
#5549
That's gonna need to be buffed.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 10 2012 02:23 GMT
#5550
Monte's Ante (3141g)
-200 Armor
-200 Magic Resistance
-99% Health
Unique Active: Take control of any enemy champion visible on the map. The effect ends if your champion is killed.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 10 2012 02:26 GMT
#5551
EUW broken. Games don't start, and it's stuck at its common "you're already in a game" then "please reconnect to the ongoing game" (if you try to relog) bug.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 10 2012 02:26 GMT
#5552
On November 10 2012 11:23 Seuss wrote:
Monte's Ante (3141g)
-200 Armor
-200 Magic Resistance
-99% Health
Unique Active: Take control of any enemy champion visible on the map. The effect ends if your champion is killed.


Hard countered by Karthus.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-10 02:33:09
November 10 2012 02:30 GMT
#5553
On November 10 2012 10:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
Simple math on spirit stone, it's about 300 gold under cost - in other words, you pay as much for the gold generation as with the gp/10s - and treating wards as 75 gold each it generates about 60% more value.

So... yeah. On the other hand, generating wards definitely isn't as good as generating an equivalent value of gold, simply because you can spend the gold on wards or anything else you like.

The thing is, it's practically speaking more than 60% more value because of Oracles through wards getting de-warded. So it's more than 2 wards every 3 minutes.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 10 2012 02:30 GMT
#5554
Doesn't it depend on the item's cd though? And what if you take control of Karthus? Or pick that item on him? D:
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 10 2012 02:32 GMT
#5555
Whenever the item changes/jungle changes patch hits I'm gonna predict that games will be completely hilarious with people just buying random shit.

I fully plan on doing Tiamat rush on numerous champions with the new Tiamat. I'll probably build other random bullshit too because why not.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 10 2012 02:33 GMT
#5556
On November 10 2012 11:32 overt wrote:
Whenever the item changes/jungle changes patch hits I'm gonna predict that games will be completely hilarious with people just buying random shit.

Basically what happens whenever a new DotA patch hits.
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1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
November 10 2012 02:34 GMT
#5557
Watching Locodoco's stream.. he plays a horrible Leona. I'm not sure if he's just tired or that his support play is just that underwhelming. He seems to have little concept of what his team actually needs from their support, and his decision-making is Doublelift-esque -_-
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 10 2012 02:36 GMT
#5558
On November 10 2012 11:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 10:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
Simple math on spirit stone, it's about 300 gold under cost - in other words, you pay as much for the gold generation as with the gp/10s - and treating wards as 75 gold each it generates about 60% more value.

So... yeah. On the other hand, generating wards definitely isn't as good as generating an equivalent value of gold, simply because you can spend the gold on wards or anything else you like.

The thing is, it's practically speaking more than 60% more value because of Oracles through wards getting de-warded. So it's more than 2 wards every 3 minutes.


good point.

I'm actually curious if oracles is still going to be around.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 10 2012 02:38 GMT
#5559
Matchmaking is working ok atm right?
twitch.tv/cratonz
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 10 2012 02:39 GMT
#5560
On November 10 2012 11:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 11:32 overt wrote:
Whenever the item changes/jungle changes patch hits I'm gonna predict that games will be completely hilarious with people just buying random shit.

Basically what happens whenever a new DotA patch hits.


To me that sounds very exciting though. I kind of wish Riot would patch less and do big changes more often. Game gets stale when I never have to alter my build on lots of champions for literally years.

Also, from the jungle changes and this sightsone thing I think Riot wants the jungler to be a farm machine and rarely gank lanes to encourage more aggression during lane phase.

Which is good news for aggressive laners and bad news for pussy assholes like Karthus.
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