EPTTOTALY NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
Although that was mostly cuz I had never seen new Kat and she was terrifying me.
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
TOTALY NOT PAYING ATTENTION. Although that was mostly cuz I had never seen new Kat and she was terrifying me. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
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Garraf
Austria34 Posts
-His jungling is decent, but he seems better with farm from toplane? -His lvl 1 all-in is ridiculous. Doran's blade, ignite, Q, auto, auto, (flash to chase if needed,) auto, Q = instant first blood. I know it's bad vs people who play smart at the start, but so few people seem to know how strong his lvl 1 is that I've had a ~80% success rate doing this. -You can cast spells during your jump just like tristana's W. Jump ---> W ---> Q ---> autoattack on landing to apply passive does a huge chunk on almost anyone Evolves: -Evolving his E is great for when your team is winning teamfights, also for towerdive ---> kill ---> jump out -Evolving Q gives nice range but seems really situational. Great for dominating toplane if you are a bit ahead? -Evolving W is weird, you don't want to super push your lane at top during the farming phase, but it is one of the best evolves for early skirmishes... also I find since his passive adds so much damage, you can evolve your W without having to max the skill and it still is great for fights -Evolving R is pretty situational. I get the best results with it when I know the enemy team will focus me hard as soon as I jump in. -How the hell do you build/play him to be effective in mid/lategame teamfights? | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
Teleport Smite dorans blade and start blue buff. ... ... go 45-0 ... ... Boots of Mobility, SoTo, Bloodthirster, Trinity Force, Infinity Edge, Youmuu's Ghostblade Can solo baron. vs real people? No clue. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On October 19 2012 13:56 Two_DoWn wrote: oh. ya. TOTALY NOT PAYING ATTENTION. Although that was mostly cuz I had never seen new Kat and she was terrifying me. wtf, since when were you back edit: also gratz on admin status neo ^.^ | ||
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Sareth
Germany1008 Posts
On October 19 2012 15:17 Garraf wrote: There should be more Kha'zix discussion! My thoughts: -His jungling is decent, but he seems better with farm from toplane? -His lvl 1 all-in is ridiculous. Doran's blade, ignite, Q, auto, auto, (flash to chase if needed,) auto, Q = instant first blood. I know it's bad vs people who play smart at the start, but so few people seem to know how strong his lvl 1 is that I've had a ~80% success rate doing this. -You can cast spells during your jump just like tristana's W. Jump ---> W ---> Q ---> autoattack on landing to apply passive does a huge chunk on almost anyone Evolves: -Evolving his E is great for when your team is winning teamfights, also for towerdive ---> kill ---> jump out -Evolving Q gives nice range but seems really situational. Great for dominating toplane if you are a bit ahead? -Evolving W is weird, you don't want to super push your lane at top during the farming phase, but it is one of the best evolves for early skirmishes... also I find since his passive adds so much damage, you can evolve your W without having to max the skill and it still is great for fights -Evolving R is pretty situational. I get the best results with it when I know the enemy team will focus me hard as soon as I jump in. -How the hell do you build/play him to be effective in mid/lategame teamfights? If you jungle with him i would concentrate more on his Q and E, bun in toplane its a MUST to max and evolve W as fast as possible... Its such an incredible strong spell. Your laning 1v2? No problem, from like level 6 you can instaclear a full wave with W and E on Meleeminions. In a 1v1 lane go push the lane to your enemys tower and then steal their jungle (wards!) or gank mid. His farming is godlike with his W. In teamfights I build him full AD with a build like Mercs/BT/Ghostblade/Maw/GA and last Item depending on what you need. You need to have someone with a hard engage, having somebody like Amumu/Malphite/Orianna/Shyv on your team is what he needs. And dont understimate his Poke with evolved W, the damage is huge. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On October 19 2012 16:00 wussleeQ wrote: Guessing zombie brand is going to be legendary T_T i dont think a holiday skin has ever been legendary? riot's skin quality for the 900rp skins has been getting better and better recently. It def wouldn't surprise me if this one wasn't legendary. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 19 2012 16:05 barbsq wrote: i dont think a holiday skin has ever been legendary? riot's skin quality for the 900rp skins has been getting better and better recently. It def wouldn't surprise me if this one wasn't legendary. I think Zombie Brand has new lines. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On October 19 2012 16:05 barbsq wrote: i dont think a holiday skin has ever been legendary? riot's skin quality for the 900rp skins has been getting better and better recently. It def wouldn't surprise me if this one wasn't legendary. Ice Toboggan Corki, if you count Winter Games as a "holiday." It's also the quality of like a 520 skin today heh  | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I think Morello has a good point. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On October 19 2012 15:17 Garraf wrote: There should be more Kha'zix discussion! My thoughts: -His jungling is decent, but he seems better with farm from toplane? -His lvl 1 all-in is ridiculous. Doran's blade, ignite, Q, auto, auto, (flash to chase if needed,) auto, Q = instant first blood. I know it's bad vs people who play smart at the start, but so few people seem to know how strong his lvl 1 is that I've had a ~80% success rate doing this. -You can cast spells during your jump just like tristana's W. Jump ---> W ---> Q ---> autoattack on landing to apply passive does a huge chunk on almost anyone Evolves: -Evolving his E is great for when your team is winning teamfights, also for towerdive ---> kill ---> jump out -Evolving Q gives nice range but seems really situational. Great for dominating toplane if you are a bit ahead? -Evolving W is weird, you don't want to super push your lane at top during the farming phase, but it is one of the best evolves for early skirmishes... also I find since his passive adds so much damage, you can evolve your W without having to max the skill and it still is great for fights -Evolving R is pretty situational. I get the best results with it when I know the enemy team will focus me hard as soon as I jump in. -How the hell do you build/play him to be effective in mid/lategame teamfights? I like him alot,of all the killing junglers he is my goto now. What he does top is nice but irrelevant to if you play him top or jungle depending on teamcomp and what you want in the jungle. He is very strong top if you just abuse his passive heinously, but also great jungle. I play him jungle 90% of the time I started off evolving Q first in jungle, but have completely switched to evolving E. Its much better for several reasons. 1. In a gank there is usually plenty of damage from your lane and you, the biggest issue is closing and getting your hits in and your slow. Evolved E actually results in more damage in my experience as you close instantly 100% of the time and can just be hitting them immediately. 2. Evolved E makes counter jungling extremely safe, you can jump so far over jungle walls that you can pull very dangerous or risky counterjungling without any actual danger. 3. You can dive towers like a fucking boss whenever you feel like it. People often get under tower with low health after a gank, with evolved E you can just jump in WautoQ jump out totally safely. I get tons of kills with this. 4. Similar to 2, you can engage fights when you run into somone in river or in the jungle that you aren't sure you are going to win. If you are coming out ontop or your team arrives, great, free kill. If thing start going badly you can just jump away. Basically you can do incredibly risky plays without actually risking anything. The jump is just SO DAMN FAR. I never evolve W unless I am playing ARAM. Kha will never do enough AOE damagee to matter in a teamfight, E is far better for gap closing, execute is massively good in every situation. Unevolved W does the same damage in 90% of situations, and already has enough AOE to clear waves no problem. I go EQR evolve for jungle, QER for top, as you can land Q's in lane much easier and more often. Evolved R is how Khazix can teamfight, it improves your survivability MASSIVELY, you need it. Always come in either after 1st wave of initiates, or circle around to wierd anges and preult in to pick off or chunk a squishy. You can approach teams from really unsafe and bizarre angles as Kha, kill or get at least half of someones health, and just hop/ult out. Justmake sure you use all your ult charges. My item core for jungle Kha are boots3->double dorans->bruta->Phage->situational damage/tanky utility (BT/GA/TRI/FM) depending on need. | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On October 19 2012 16:02 Sareth wrote: If you jungle with him i would concentrate more on his Q and E, bun in toplane its a MUST to max and evolve W as fast as possible... Its such an incredible strong spell. Your laning 1v2? No problem, from like level 6 you can instaclear a full wave with W and E on Meleeminions. In a 1v1 lane go push the lane to your enemys tower and then steal their jungle (wards!) or gank mid. His farming is godlike with his W. In teamfights I build him full AD with a build like Mercs/BT/Ghostblade/Maw/GA and last Item depending on what you need. You need to have someone with a hard engage, having somebody like Amumu/Malphite/Orianna/Shyv on your team is what he needs. And dont understimate his Poke with evolved W, the damage is huge. I typically evolve Q-->E-->(W or R) W if I need a bigger teamfight presence in drawn out brawls, R if I absolutely have to instagib a fed trist and I've been fed(and thus focused) | ||
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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
On October 19 2012 16:02 Sareth wrote: If you jungle with him i would concentrate more on his Q and E, bun in toplane its a MUST to max and evolve W as fast as possible... Its such an incredible strong spell. Your laning 1v2? No problem, from like level 6 you can instaclear a full wave with W and E on Meleeminions. In a 1v1 lane go push the lane to your enemys tower and then steal their jungle (wards!) or gank mid. His farming is godlike with his W. In teamfights I build him full AD with a build like Mercs/BT/Ghostblade/Maw/GA and last Item depending on what you need. You need to have someone with a hard engage, having somebody like Amumu/Malphite/Orianna/Shyv on your team is what he needs. And dont understimate his Poke with evolved W, the damage is huge. I actually always evolve w even in the jungle, i think w is just all around his best ability, damage and sustain wise, usually my evolutions are w for more aoe clear and sustain and slow, and then e coz it really gives amazing utility, apart from the reset i find the range increase to be significant, then q or r depending on situation, skill order is r>w>q>e with w>q>e opening. Having a decent amount of success with this. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
new lines new emotes new animations. the line "everyday i'm shufflin'" | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On October 19 2012 16:16 Sufficiency wrote: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30382219#30382219 I think Morello has a good point. Does Morello also work for the US Congress because he sounds an awful lot like those morons in office. Dfg was more of a niche item and then morello and his balance clowns are like "hurdur lets buff it really hard for no reason at all so more people use it!" and now look. Like wtf? Do they have no real idea what a HUNDRED range on a spell adds? It means it works in so many more kits, especially by removing the mana regen and changing the recipe so it can work on any AP.... -.- He's calling it toxic when they're the ones who buffed it for NO reason. That would be like buffing brutalizer by 10 armor pen for no cost just cause not enough champs in the game build bruta >_> cause you know, it doesn't have a niche or anything *rolls eyes* Just put it back to what it used to be, and if you really want to, make the base 20% + 5% per 100 AP. that way it's weaker earlygame but come midgame to lategame when people get MR it will still do similar damage to the old version. Then bam, low range nuke for nukers lategame so they don't fall off as hard vs bruisers/mr stack. You know, like what the item was supposed to be for. >_> | ||
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Garraf
Austria34 Posts
On October 19 2012 16:30 Ziken wrote: I actually always evolve w even in the jungle, i think w is just all around his best ability, damage and sustain wise, usually my evolutions are w for more aoe clear and sustain and slow, and then e coz it really gives amazing utility, apart from the reset i find the range increase to be significant, then q or r depending on situation, skill order is r>w>q>e with w>q>e opening. Having a decent amount of success with this. I agree that his w evolve is strong, but I personally don't like it. Thematically Kha'zix is a stealthy bug who jumps on your face and executes you. To this you add... giant spikes/missles which shoot all over the place? An assassin bug with a ranged attack (if he should even need one) would be much better as some kind of disabling or direct, focused attack. Just a small gripe about his design. On another note, does anyone else think that the bug can be a pretty strong initiator if your team is lacking one? Evolved E to jump in, evolved R to survive their focus fire (you also would have to build pretty tanky). | ||
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