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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 18 2012 17:10 GMT
#661
On October 19 2012 02:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 02:07 xes wrote:
On October 19 2012 01:39 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So...where does the PBE launcher go after I download/extract it?

Wherever you want. The PBE launcher is a self contained executable. But you can register an account except on the 1-3 of each month :S


I've got an account, I just want to be able to launch without having to go into WinRAR and extract every time, and I can't freaking find it.

I just extracted into my regular LoL install under a new folder so I don't forget where I put it.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 18 2012 17:10 GMT
#662
On October 19 2012 00:06 Lmui wrote:
Slight typo on the patch notes, rengar's emp. Q got nerfed, it's down to 100% from 150%

Sona's base armor got buffed but her level 1-3 is going to be dangerous as hell. She takes one less autoattack to kill early on in the game and that's huge. She's going from 450 health at level 1 to 410, she'll have the lowest base health of any character in the game. She's fragile to begin with and she's just getting squishier. Dislike.

Eve nerf: Expected,
Irelia buff: What? Easier to clear the entire minion wave when it's still a line I guess? Not sure what the change was for

New items:

Blackfire Torch: Ryze/Karthus/cassiopeia are going to have a field day with this if it's a summoner's rift item. %max health on spell damage is ridiculous. Probably builds out of a catalyst as well.

Lord Van Damm's Pillager: +40 Attack Damage +350 Health UNIQUE Passive: +10% Cooldown Reduction UNIQUE Passive: +25 Armor Penetration UNIQUE Passive: +15% Spell Vamp Cost: 3104

Judging by the cost is a brutalizer upgrade. Gives health+spellvamp, two stats that're actually really good on AD casters, alternative to a BT I guess. It might need a bit more base AD to really shine though.

Soulsight Lantern: Instead of a ward, you get stealth detection on a 1 minute cooldown. It might make toplaners want to build wriggles again?

Wooglet's Witchcap: Interesting, trade ~80+5% AP for 10% MS. Pretty decent tradeoff.


It's worth pointing out that Cassi doesn't proc the full effect of Rylais with Twin Fang (or any of her spells) and this will likely will use the same mechanic to determine whether or not to give full or half damage. That said, dots reapplying it, even if it's the halved effect, could be incredibly strong for poking. Expecting it to turn out really great for Ahri and Ryze, though.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 18 2012 17:12 GMT
#663
On October 19 2012 02:08 phyvo wrote:
Elise's spiderlings scale with AP but do physical damage, huehuehue. You can also command them like tibbers with alt.

The lore changes are dumb, not sure why Riot decided that retconning lore was a popular thing to do (huehue WoW). I suppose that with the JoJ gone they have to give their lore employees *something* or else they'd break their thumbs with too much twiddling.

Yes, the store is still down as of now.


Yes I noticed this as well. The spiderlings are so annoying; she reminds me of Yorick. Either way, she will be infuriating to play against I feel.

Basically, she deals % health damage with her Q, and she does a mix of physical and magical damage..... so yeah.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 18 2012 17:14 GMT
#664
Sona's looking to challenge Irelia in a "get nerfed" contest... She's gotten HOW many nerfs, and the only thing that could be construed as a buff was mostly of a QOL tweak...
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 18 2012 17:14 GMT
#665
On October 19 2012 02:10 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 00:06 Lmui wrote:
Slight typo on the patch notes, rengar's emp. Q got nerfed, it's down to 100% from 150%

Sona's base armor got buffed but her level 1-3 is going to be dangerous as hell. She takes one less autoattack to kill early on in the game and that's huge. She's going from 450 health at level 1 to 410, she'll have the lowest base health of any character in the game. She's fragile to begin with and she's just getting squishier. Dislike.

Eve nerf: Expected,
Irelia buff: What? Easier to clear the entire minion wave when it's still a line I guess? Not sure what the change was for

New items:

Blackfire Torch: Ryze/Karthus/cassiopeia are going to have a field day with this if it's a summoner's rift item. %max health on spell damage is ridiculous. Probably builds out of a catalyst as well.

Lord Van Damm's Pillager: +40 Attack Damage +350 Health UNIQUE Passive: +10% Cooldown Reduction UNIQUE Passive: +25 Armor Penetration UNIQUE Passive: +15% Spell Vamp Cost: 3104

Judging by the cost is a brutalizer upgrade. Gives health+spellvamp, two stats that're actually really good on AD casters, alternative to a BT I guess. It might need a bit more base AD to really shine though.

Soulsight Lantern: Instead of a ward, you get stealth detection on a 1 minute cooldown. It might make toplaners want to build wriggles again?

Wooglet's Witchcap: Interesting, trade ~80+5% AP for 10% MS. Pretty decent tradeoff.


It's worth pointing out that Cassi doesn't proc the full effect of Rylais with Twin Fang (or any of her spells) and this will likely will use the same mechanic to determine whether or not to give full or half damage. That said, dots reapplying it, even if it's the halved effect, could be incredibly strong for poking. Expecting it to turn out really great for Ahri and Ryze, though.


:/ I see this item indirectly nerfing Ahri foxfire/rylai interaction at some point down the road.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 18 2012 17:22 GMT
#666
On October 19 2012 02:14 sylverfyre wrote:
Sona's looking to challenge Irelia in a "get nerfed" contest... She's gotten HOW many nerfs, and the only thing that could be construed as a buff was mostly of a QOL tweak...

That QoL tweak was a huge change though, she went from rarely played, to bannable support.
liftlift > tsm
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 18 2012 17:23 GMT
#667
i guess the large open areas and thick walls on tt are supposed to tone back how strong blinks were, but together with removing wards (!!) and adding a koth mechanic it kinda looks like they turned the map into a brainless free for all with no sense of positional play, in other words, dominion with three people. Really hope i'm wrong.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 18 2012 17:24 GMT
#668
The new female hero at least looks different to Diana/Syndra . Actually looks kind of fun/interesting.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 18 2012 17:24 GMT
#669
On October 19 2012 02:04 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 01:58 Alaric wrote:
Holy wtf Elise is broken according to her current state.
Human Q: Deals magic damage equal to 50/95/140/185/230 plus 8% (+0.02*AP%) of the target's current health, with 650 range, 7s cd and 60 mana at all levels. Keep it at level 1, shred people "freely" with a point'n'click nuke on a low cd and low mana cost.

Her "gap closer" Rappel has 875 range... even Talon can't get that far (Cutthroat has 700 range, most gap closers have 600).


Also, Mordekaiser's new lore is... so bland. His former had way more character into it, plus it raised questions about him. Now he's just "an undead using pain as source of his spells and able to raise the people he kills as slaves". Meh.


And... DFG's cdr is gone. Fuck this. Which itemization do AP casters have now? Morello, Ionian boots, grail, elixir? It's going to be a pain to reach 40% cdr without blue buff, unless you want to buy items with other stats you don't want. At least bruisers/tanks/supports have some choice in this. I'd like to see more varied cdr sources for AP casters, so that you can actually see different items for different casters that may like cdr, but not necessarily the same other stats.
About the damage, you need 1000 AP to break even with the current DFG. Which also needs 1000 AP to break even with the previous iteration. So yeah.

On October 18 2012 13:55 Sufficiency wrote:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2012/10/pbe-shadow-isles-patch-preview.html

Force of Will:
- Grab time reduced to 0.25s from 0.33s (0.25s is our standard cast time on most spells)
- Now grabs nearest Dark Sphere in range if a valid target is not directly clicked on
- Now executes throw commands given during the grab time immediately once the grab's over, rather than blocking throw commands until the grab's finished
- Minions/Dark Spheres getting pulled around will no longer get stuck on terrain

Scatter the Weak:
- Dark Spheres that have just about finished casting when the wave hits will now be knocked back when they arrive
- Enemies hit by both the wave and a Dark Sphere will now be stunned and knocked back, whereas previously they'd sometimes only get knocked back

Unleashed Power:
- Now checks for spell shields on a sphere by sphere basis, not at start of cast for the whole cast
- Doesn't go on CD if target dies during the cast animation
- Now pulls in Dark Spheres that had been cast but not yet arrived when the ult cast was started


Oh boy. Last time Syndra got buffed I said she would be OP but I was wrong. But this time.....

I'm more concerned about the 3rd point for Force of Will. When smartcasting, the game seems to very easily interpret a quick tap on the key as a double tap, and makes you grab something, then immediatly drop it where it was.
Your bolded point on the ult won't change anything, from the tests I ran using cdr, the first though will make it much better against spell shields. I wonder if it means anything for Morgana's black shield?


The ult change means that (I haven't actually tried it, but I am guessing from the wording) you can quickly press Q + R to get one more orb for your ultimate.

Yeah, what I meant was that it shouldn't allow you to use more spheres if you're already getting your timings right (which isn't that easy, I agree).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
October 18 2012 17:24 GMT
#670
starting to try jungling more and doing it with Mundo

in early to mid game, should I try to get mid, top, and ADC fed as much as possible and try to not get the kill?
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 18 2012 17:29 GMT
#671
On October 19 2012 02:24 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 02:04 Sufficiency wrote:
On October 19 2012 01:58 Alaric wrote:
Holy wtf Elise is broken according to her current state.
Human Q: Deals magic damage equal to 50/95/140/185/230 plus 8% (+0.02*AP%) of the target's current health, with 650 range, 7s cd and 60 mana at all levels. Keep it at level 1, shred people "freely" with a point'n'click nuke on a low cd and low mana cost.

Her "gap closer" Rappel has 875 range... even Talon can't get that far (Cutthroat has 700 range, most gap closers have 600).


Also, Mordekaiser's new lore is... so bland. His former had way more character into it, plus it raised questions about him. Now he's just "an undead using pain as source of his spells and able to raise the people he kills as slaves". Meh.


And... DFG's cdr is gone. Fuck this. Which itemization do AP casters have now? Morello, Ionian boots, grail, elixir? It's going to be a pain to reach 40% cdr without blue buff, unless you want to buy items with other stats you don't want. At least bruisers/tanks/supports have some choice in this. I'd like to see more varied cdr sources for AP casters, so that you can actually see different items for different casters that may like cdr, but not necessarily the same other stats.
About the damage, you need 1000 AP to break even with the current DFG. Which also needs 1000 AP to break even with the previous iteration. So yeah.

On October 18 2012 13:55 Sufficiency wrote:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2012/10/pbe-shadow-isles-patch-preview.html

Force of Will:
- Grab time reduced to 0.25s from 0.33s (0.25s is our standard cast time on most spells)
- Now grabs nearest Dark Sphere in range if a valid target is not directly clicked on
- Now executes throw commands given during the grab time immediately once the grab's over, rather than blocking throw commands until the grab's finished
- Minions/Dark Spheres getting pulled around will no longer get stuck on terrain

Scatter the Weak:
- Dark Spheres that have just about finished casting when the wave hits will now be knocked back when they arrive
- Enemies hit by both the wave and a Dark Sphere will now be stunned and knocked back, whereas previously they'd sometimes only get knocked back

Unleashed Power:
- Now checks for spell shields on a sphere by sphere basis, not at start of cast for the whole cast
- Doesn't go on CD if target dies during the cast animation
- Now pulls in Dark Spheres that had been cast but not yet arrived when the ult cast was started


Oh boy. Last time Syndra got buffed I said she would be OP but I was wrong. But this time.....

I'm more concerned about the 3rd point for Force of Will. When smartcasting, the game seems to very easily interpret a quick tap on the key as a double tap, and makes you grab something, then immediatly drop it where it was.
Your bolded point on the ult won't change anything, from the tests I ran using cdr, the first though will make it much better against spell shields. I wonder if it means anything for Morgana's black shield?


The ult change means that (I haven't actually tried it, but I am guessing from the wording) you can quickly press Q + R to get one more orb for your ultimate.

Yeah, what I meant was that it shouldn't allow you to use more spheres if you're already getting your timings right (which isn't that easy, I agree).


Actually, one of the problems as Syndra right now is that when you get jumped on suddenly you are in a tough spot. This change will allow her to fair better.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 17:33:57
October 18 2012 17:32 GMT
#672
I just realised when last did they release a male mage? A quick search seems like Ziggs at the beginning of the year

EDIT: Oh wow that doesn't even mean much since most of the heroes released aren't casters. Guess 1 out of last 4 isn't too bad.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
October 18 2012 17:54 GMT
#673
On October 19 2012 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:
Actually, one of the problems as Syndra right now is that when you get jumped on suddenly you are in a tough spot. This change will allow her to fair better.

just use E to push back. it's not a stun but it might give you just enough room to flee.
fwiw when i get jumped on as zyra i go down fighting because she just can't get away. sometimes people just don't have good escapes.

the sphere + pushback causing a stun is how it should've been in the first place though. pretty happy with that change. so far i've never played against another syndra, the most i've seen is milo's in an IH.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 18 2012 17:58 GMT
#674
On October 19 2012 02:54 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:
Actually, one of the problems as Syndra right now is that when you get jumped on suddenly you are in a tough spot. This change will allow her to fair better.

just use E to push back. it's not a stun but it might give you just enough room to flee.
fwiw when i get jumped on as zyra i go down fighting because she just can't get away. sometimes people just don't have good escapes.

the sphere + pushback causing a stun is how it should've been in the first place though. pretty happy with that change. so far i've never played against another syndra, the most i've seen is milo's in an IH.

Yeah it was really dumb when your E moved a sphere RIGHT THROUGH A CHAMPION, and it didn't stun him.

Just max E first on Syn, push back everything that wants to gank you. Also, dat poke
A backwards poet writes inverse.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 18 2012 17:59 GMT
#675
On October 19 2012 02:58 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 02:54 kainzero wrote:
On October 19 2012 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:
Actually, one of the problems as Syndra right now is that when you get jumped on suddenly you are in a tough spot. This change will allow her to fair better.

just use E to push back. it's not a stun but it might give you just enough room to flee.
fwiw when i get jumped on as zyra i go down fighting because she just can't get away. sometimes people just don't have good escapes.

the sphere + pushback causing a stun is how it should've been in the first place though. pretty happy with that change. so far i've never played against another syndra, the most i've seen is milo's in an IH.

Yeah it was really dumb when your E moved a sphere RIGHT THROUGH A CHAMPION, and it didn't stun him.

Just max E first on Syn, push back everything that wants to gank you. Also, dat poke


I go W>Q>E

Idk how I'm gonna build her without DFG now. May still get it, but having that in conjunction with her ult was pretty lulsy
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 18:03:36
October 18 2012 18:01 GMT
#676
On October 19 2012 02:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 02:58 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 19 2012 02:54 kainzero wrote:
On October 19 2012 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:
Actually, one of the problems as Syndra right now is that when you get jumped on suddenly you are in a tough spot. This change will allow her to fair better.

just use E to push back. it's not a stun but it might give you just enough room to flee.
fwiw when i get jumped on as zyra i go down fighting because she just can't get away. sometimes people just don't have good escapes.

the sphere + pushback causing a stun is how it should've been in the first place though. pretty happy with that change. so far i've never played against another syndra, the most i've seen is milo's in an IH.

Yeah it was really dumb when your E moved a sphere RIGHT THROUGH A CHAMPION, and it didn't stun him.

Just max E first on Syn, push back everything that wants to gank you. Also, dat poke


I go W>Q>E

Idk how I'm gonna build her without DFG now. May still get it, but having that in conjunction with her ult was pretty lulsy

Why max Q though?
It doesn't do anything.
Radius on E is far more useful imo.

I switched to E before W before the changes, but maybe W is better now. Dunno, didn't try it yet.

Also, I recommend chalice (-> Athenes whenever you feel like completing). DFG is pretty bad now.

€: I'm talking about the PBE changes, I think
Damn, 2 different version of the same game so confusing, holy shit.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 18 2012 18:03 GMT
#677
On October 19 2012 03:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 02:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 19 2012 02:58 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 19 2012 02:54 kainzero wrote:
On October 19 2012 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:
Actually, one of the problems as Syndra right now is that when you get jumped on suddenly you are in a tough spot. This change will allow her to fair better.

just use E to push back. it's not a stun but it might give you just enough room to flee.
fwiw when i get jumped on as zyra i go down fighting because she just can't get away. sometimes people just don't have good escapes.

the sphere + pushback causing a stun is how it should've been in the first place though. pretty happy with that change. so far i've never played against another syndra, the most i've seen is milo's in an IH.

Yeah it was really dumb when your E moved a sphere RIGHT THROUGH A CHAMPION, and it didn't stun him.

Just max E first on Syn, push back everything that wants to gank you. Also, dat poke


I go W>Q>E

Idk how I'm gonna build her without DFG now. May still get it, but having that in conjunction with her ult was pretty lulsy

Why max Q though?
It doesn't do anything.
Radius on E is far more useful imo.

I switched to E before W before the changes, but maybe W is better now. Dunno, didn't try it yet.

Also, I recommend chalice (-> Athenes whenever you feel like completing). DFG is pretty bad now.


I was doing W before the changes. The only reason I didn't go Q is because the mana costs were incredibly prohibitive, but now they aren't as bad, and the damage is quite decent, especially for how low the CD is. I've gotten pretty good at landing stuns with E.
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Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
October 18 2012 18:04 GMT
#678
Feed > check
Lose tower > check

Ignore team, get farm, carry their asses. Kog so fun late game.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 18:07:07
October 18 2012 18:05 GMT
#679
I prefer maxing W, since it has a good range and it's less awkward when it doesn't kill stuff, w/ regards to clearing "safely" (push stuff back, go up to last hit it, get jumped :< ). I max E second, mainly for the cooldown.

On October 19 2012 02:24 udgnim wrote:
starting to try jungling more and doing it with Mundo

in early to mid game, should I try to get mid, top, and ADC fed as much as possible and try to not get the kill?

I like to gank top early if I can (I actually prefer starting blue side for this, not because purple top is hell against ganks, but because they expect me to start at my red rather than theirs and if I can get away with it unnoticed they won't expect the gank, most often), and then take the kill — first blood money convert my cloth into tabis once I'll have backed, as well as pay for 2-3 pots that should last me until I get to 6 (I find jungling awkward before 6 considering how low you can get, esp. on ~3rd clear).

Mundo is a pretty good oracle carrier, same with aegis, and an early belt Mundo is a monster to duel against, so he can use the early money well. I generally try to let the AD carry get the kill when I gank bot tho, as it's generally harder to get an item advantage there than top, or even mid.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
October 18 2012 18:11 GMT
#680
Wow, the PBE is packed today, got a 18 minute queue on it. Can't wait to try Singed on TT with the Torch, sounds imba as fuck
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