[Patch 1.0.0.149: TF Update] General Discussion - Page 34

On October 19 2012 00:06 Lmui wrote:
Slight typo on the patch notes, rengar's emp. Q got nerfed, it's down to 100% from 150%

Sona's base armor got buffed but her level 1-3 is going to be dangerous as hell. She takes one less autoattack to kill early on in the game and that's huge. She's going from 450 health at level 1 to 410, she'll have the lowest base health of any character in the game. She's fragile to begin with and she's just getting squishier. Dislike.

Eve nerf: Expected,
Irelia buff: What? Easier to clear the entire minion wave when it's still a line I guess? Not sure what the change was for

New items:

Blackfire Torch: Ryze/Karthus/cassiopeia are going to have a field day with this if it's a summoner's rift item. %max health on spell damage is ridiculous. Probably builds out of a catalyst as well.

Lord Van Damm's Pillager: +40 Attack Damage +350 Health UNIQUE Passive: +10% Cooldown Reduction UNIQUE Passive: +25 Armor Penetration UNIQUE Passive: +15% Spell Vamp Cost: 3104

Judging by the cost is a brutalizer upgrade. Gives health+spellvamp, two stats that're actually really good on AD casters, alternative to a BT I guess. It might need a bit more base AD to really shine though.

Soulsight Lantern: Instead of a ward, you get stealth detection on a 1 minute cooldown. It might make toplaners want to build wriggles again?

Wooglet's Witchcap: Interesting, trade ~80+5% AP for 10% MS. Pretty decent tradeoff.

On October 19 2012 01:58 Alaric wrote:
Holy wtf Elise is broken according to her current state.
Human Q: Deals magic damage equal to 50/95/140/185/230 plus 8% (+0.02*AP%) of the target's current health, with 650 range, 7s cd and 60 mana at all levels. Keep it at level 1, shred people "freely" with a point'n'click nuke on a low cd and low mana cost.

Her "gap closer" Rappel has 875 range... even Talon can't get that far (Cutthroat has 700 range, most gap closers have 600).


Also, Mordekaiser's new lore is... so bland. His former had way more character into it, plus it raised questions about him. Now he's just "an undead using pain as source of his spells and able to raise the people he kills as slaves". Meh.


And... DFG's cdr is gone. Fuck this. Which itemization do AP casters have now? Morello, Ionian boots, grail, elixir? It's going to be a pain to reach 40% cdr without blue buff, unless you want to buy items with other stats you don't want. At least bruisers/tanks/supports have some choice in this. I'd like to see more varied cdr sources for AP casters, so that you can actually see different items for different casters that may like cdr, but not necessarily the same other stats.
About the damage, you need 1000 AP to break even with the current DFG. Which also needs 1000 AP to break even with the previous iteration. So yeah.


I'm more concerned about the 3rd point for Force of Will. When smartcasting, the game seems to very easily interpret a quick tap on the key as a double tap, and makes you grab something, then immediatly drop it where it was.
Your bolded point on the ult won't change anything, from the tests I ran using cdr, the first though will make it much better against spell shields. I wonder if it means anything for Morgana's black shield?

On October 19 2012 02:04 Sufficiency wrote:


The ult change means that (I haven't actually tried it, but I am guessing from the wording) you can quickly press Q + R to get one more orb for your ultimate.

On October 19 2012 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:
Actually, one of the problems as Syndra right now is that when you get jumped on suddenly you are in a tough spot. This change will allow her to fair better.

On October 19 2012 02:54 kainzero wrote:

just use E to push back. it's not a stun but it might give you just enough room to flee.
fwiw when i get jumped on as zyra i go down fighting because she just can't get away. sometimes people just don't have good escapes.

the sphere + pushback causing a stun is how it should've been in the first place though. pretty happy with that change. so far i've never played against another syndra, the most i've seen is milo's in an IH.

On October 19 2012 02:58 Dandel Ion wrote:

Yeah it was really dumb when your E moved a sphere RIGHT THROUGH A CHAMPION, and it didn't stun him.

Just max E first on Syn, push back everything that wants to gank you. Also, dat poke

On October 19 2012 02:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I go W>Q>E

Idk how I'm gonna build her without DFG now. May still get it, but having that in conjunction with her ult was pretty lulsy