EPTOn October 02 2012 21:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
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They are supposed to make you feel fuzzy and warm inside.
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They are supposed to make you feel fuzzy and warm inside.
Butters' creamy goo is for this a way better fit ^^
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Butters' creamy goo is for this a way better fit ^^ | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On October 02 2012 21:02 h3r1n6 wrote: Everything is OP as in BW. Look at TvZ, Zerglings had ridiculous DPS, 2 lurkers on hold could kill your entire army if you weren't careful and defilers could make all the ground units pretty much invulnerable to the Terran army (also plague). A pack of Mutalisks with perfect micro would just end the game on their own too. At the same time, stimmed marine DPS would be equally strong, a perfectly microed group of marines with medics could take on an entire Zerg army. Tanks were broken, Science Vessel had a low energy cost spell that killed every zerg unit and did aoe damage, not to mention how silly spider mines are. Game has great balance, but everything is op. Brood War can exist in such a state because it is made of 3 completely separate (no one cares about 2v2) entities that are pre-designed as wholes. To be able to create so unhomogenized champions you would need 3 unmodifiable teams of 5 pre-designed champions for such a purpose. You can probably see where I am going with it. To me it seems that either "Everything-Is-OP-Everyone-Is-Happy" has to go, or champion picking has to go. I have no idea how you would even attempt to make something where champions are not at all homogenous, but I'd love to hear some ideas/examples ofc. | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 02 2012 18:04 overt wrote: I'm pretty sure Diana is gonna be picked or banned in way more games at S2 than people realize. Most AP mids realize how stupid she is. jiji said on release that she's one of the most OP champions Riot has ever created. To go along with what Yango said, Diana is stupid as first pick. There's really no bad lane match ups that she has mid. And she can be run top lane. I guarantee you won't see Diana picked or banned once at Worlds. As an aside, OH GOD THE WAIT ON THIS RIVEN SKIN IS KILLING ME! | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On October 02 2012 21:20 Gahlo wrote: I guarantee you won't see Diana picked or banned once at Worlds. As an aside, OH GOD THE WAIT ON THIS RIVEN SKIN IS KILLING ME! what riven skin?! | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On October 02 2012 21:20 Gahlo wrote: I guarantee you won't see Diana picked or banned once at Worlds. As an aside, OH GOD THE WAIT ON THIS RIVEN SKIN IS KILLING ME! I bet you that Rengar and Syndra won't be picked/banned either. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On October 02 2012 21:16 h3r1n6 wrote: No you don't need 3 unmodifiable teams. BW was just an example, because I played that game a lot. I haven't played DotA that much, but in DotA everything seems OP too. Works for that game too. And it comes with a cost. I haven't played that many games on DotA at all, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong (more of a spectator than a player) The drafting phase is more important in DotA than in LoL, which is guess I am fine with in tournaments/premades, not that fine with that in soloQ/duoQ. It feels really really bad to be a support to a bad carry player. Is a problem in LoL, but not to such an extent because you have several people to fall back on. And also the current LoL patch model isn't very compatible with DotA-like heroes imo, simply because it would leave LoL in a state of permanent fuckup with no end in sight. DotA is able to stabilize and deal with the OPs of a new patch quite well, but not in a 2-3 weeks time. This is especially problematic because of LoL business model. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On October 02 2012 21:02 h3r1n6 wrote: Everything is OP as in BW. Look at TvZ, Zerglings had ridiculous DPS, 2 lurkers on hold could kill your entire army if you weren't careful and defilers could make all the ground units pretty much invulnerable to the Terran army (also plague). A pack of Mutalisks with perfect micro would just end the game on their own too. At the same time, stimmed marine DPS would be equally strong, a perfectly microed group of marines with medics could take on an entire Zerg army. Tanks were broken, Science Vessel had a low energy cost spell that killed every zerg unit and did aoe damage, not to mention how silly spider mines are. Game has great balance, but everything is op. LoL would have like 1/6 of the playerbase it has today if everything was as OP as BW. Your first 50 games would absolutely suck, since you will do something and then instantly blow up because you don't know all the champions, and most player would probably quit first before putting in the effort to learn all of the OP interactions. Pre-nerf eve was bad enough to cause a significant number of new people to quit the game that they nerfed her to oblivion. Imagine if everyone was like that OP abilities do make for a much better spectating experience though, I have the most fun watching pro BW out of any esport. Riot chose that they would rather have the game be more accessible to more people than to make the game an awesome spectator experience, and that's a tradeoff they chose to make. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 02 2012 22:26 thenexusp wrote: LoL would have like 1/6 of the playerbase it has today if everything was as OP as BW. Your first 50 games would absolutely suck, since you will do something and then instantly blow up because you don't know all the champions, and most player would probably quit first before putting in the effort to learn all of the OP interactions. Pre-nerf eve was bad enough to cause a significant number of new people to quit the game that they nerfed her to oblivion. Imagine if everyone was like that OP abilities do make for a much better spectating experience though, I have the most fun watching pro BW out of any esport. Riot chose that they would rather have the game be more accessible to more people than to make the game an awesome spectator experience, and that's a tradeoff they chose to make. You know, I wonder if this is a valid point I had never really considered with regards to the age-old argument of LoL having a lower skillcap and whatnot. It is true that anyone starting DotA (2) or SC (2) will be immediately and repeatedly destroyed over and over again until they play enough to learn or give up...but is League really that different? | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
Fuck this guy, worse than Rumble, Vlad and Yorick combined. At least Rengar you can somewhat safely lane against as a ranged pick like Vlad or Teemo, Jayce is fucking dumb. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
There will be a Riven skin given away at the Finals and in the shop the week after. Also, during the finals a code will displayed for a Riven summoner icon. http://competitive.na.leagueoflegends.com/season-2-world-championship | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 02 2012 18:40 UniversalSnip wrote: I've been thinking about it and I'm really unhappy with the champions riot has been releasing lately. The power levels have just been so inconsistent and some of them are really painful to play against. Darius: Incredibly unfun to play against, blatantly broken on release. I feel like the number of yorick level "this fucking sucks" champs doubled when he came out. Jayce: Really...? Such a non-interactive kit. It's the same as the old designs where melees would deal damage and block counterplay with huge, free shields or heals, except this time it's tons of disengage that costs no mana instead. Here's another guy that's fucking lame to lane against, at least he's only teir 2 or 3 in obnoxiousness and he can't use Bore to Tears if you're in a different lane. They didn't really peg his power on release either, expecting another nerf. Zyra: No complaints about the champ... just they completely whiffed the release balance... again. Before this list you have to go back to graves to find a champ that was released ridiculously broken, or maybe naut if you're a huge wuss. Diana: Released pretty op. has some role confusion but I don't hate her like I do the next release, everyone can agree she's tolerable at worst. Rengar: lol. King of this list. This guy went straight up to number 1 on my toxicity charts, playing rengar's top target is probably the most unfun experience you can consistently have in this game. Why would a champion like this exist?! The difficulty finding the counterplay required to even survive vs this guy is insane! Shutting him down is another story entirely. If you've had the Rengar Experience you know exactly what i'm talking about, it's just indisputable that he never should have made it to release with this skill set. Syndra: Thank you riot! I'm so glad this hero breaks the pattern, you have no idea. I probably whine less about balance than 90% of the regular posters here, but this shit cannot stand. The more I think about it the more the last couple months have made the game substantially worse for me. I just do not want to play hoping an increasing number of champions don't show up so that I can have a good time. i agree with you basically 100% when 100% of the past x champs are seen in regular play, there's a problem also you are right about rengar. riot keeps making the same mistake with resourceless champs that have skills that get BETTER as you spam. eventually they're going to have to make him renekton status, where his un-empowered skills are absolute trash, and his empowered skills are just on par with normal skills. that's the only way to balance a champ like that and it's going to suck. i think a lot of is has to do with hyping up season 2 though. once season 2 is over and we see how hard rengar/diana/zyra dominate, we'll see a lot of nerfs to them. then probably a string of boring-as-shit champions before we get some more OPs. which i'm okay with | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On October 02 2012 22:31 WaveofShadow wrote: You know, I wonder if this is a valid point I had never really considered with regards to the age-old argument of LoL having a lower skillcap and whatnot. It is true that anyone starting DotA (2) or SC (2) will be immediately and repeatedly destroyed over and over again until they play enough to learn or give up...but is League really that different? I don't know. I don't remember the result from my first game of LoL except that I played Anivia and built a triforce, but when you start out in League you're matched with other people who are just starting out. They limit the champion pool to only the 10 free week, unless some one bought some one with RP or one of those bundles, but for the majority of your level 1-10 games everybody is using the same 10 champions, which limits what is relevant to learn. Your first game of DotA everybody has access to every hero, so you can play your first 10 games of DotA2 with out seeing the same hero used twice. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On October 02 2012 22:40 Gahlo wrote: There will be a Riven skin given away at the Finals and in the shop the week after. Also, during the finals a code will displayed for a Riven summoner icon. http://competitive.na.leagueoflegends.com/season-2-world-championship So you'll be able to buy the skin but not the icon? | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On October 02 2012 22:38 AwayFromLife wrote: Who in the high holy everloving fuck do I pick vs Jayce? It feels like you need to pick Yorick or some tanky mofo into him or you're fucked 12 ways from Sunday. The only time I've seen Jayce have a hard time was vs a pure tank Garen, and even then it was because Jayce was shit. Fuck this guy, worse than Rumble, Vlad and Yorick combined. At least Rengar you can somewhat safely lane against as a ranged pick like Vlad or Teemo, Jayce is fucking dumb. Wukong is pretty decent, so is Kayle and Cho aswell. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 02 2012 23:05 arb wrote: So you'll be able to buy the skin but not the icon? You buy the skin. The icon code, which will be on shown on the stream of the finals, is redeemable through this site: http://woobox.com/dwmvfy | ||
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