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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
On October 02 2012 03:12 NeoIllusions wrote: What generation? Up until Black/White, I was pretty into pokemans in uni. PM/Skype/Gmail me son. me me i plays the pokemon online | ||
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JokerSan
United States306 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On October 03 2012 00:09 NucNac wrote: A little bit random: What do you guys think of AD Sona in 3v3s? I've been playing some games with her for fun and have been really succesful. Don't know if it's the enemy just not knowing her skillset/how to handle her or if she is really good. You do a considerable amount of damage with auto attacks + q and are really useful for your team with your w/e/r. Most of the time i built Trinity Force and when thats finished the game's over most of the time. Thoughts? ad sona with janna/soraka/lulu is neat in 5s too. she is kinda like ashe but can stun more ppl for closer range, has a steroid (lol)sustain and strong duo lane synergy. dunno why ppl dont play ad sona actually. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On October 03 2012 00:15 VirgilSC2 wrote: So true. I don't think I could go back to DotA where something like AP doesn't exist for scaling casters Who needs scaling when someone can 1v5 the entire team? greatest game design | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On October 03 2012 00:32 arb wrote: Who needs scaling when someone can 1v5 the entire team? greatest game design Well if you can 1v5, it's that the opposing team is very far behind. A bit like in LoL you know. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 02 2012 21:35 Scip wrote: The drafting phase is more important in DotA than in LoL, which is guess I am fine with in tournaments/premades, not that fine with that in soloQ/duoQ. It is, and it isn't. It's more important to draft a coherent team, but it's far less important to worry about lane matchups or counterpick specific heroes. On October 02 2012 23:55 Numy wrote: I think it's more that everyone "scales" in lol where as in Dota they don't and in BW to a lesser extent they don't(Kind of scaling in rts is weird). Don't really know if you can apply the same logic with all the scaling. Honestly, the "casters don't scale" argument against DotA is straight up wrong, because casters scaling with 1-2 stats (AP, some MPen, CDR is generally capped regardless) in LoL and physical damage dealers scaling off 3-4 (AD, AS, Crit, some ArPen) creates the exact same scaling disparity that you have with casters scaling with no damage stats and physical damage dealers scaling off 2 DPS stats (only AD and attack speed are consistently buy-able). Anyone who plays both games can tell you this difference is wildly over-stated. | ||
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ChaoSbringer
Australia1382 Posts
On October 03 2012 00:18 Schnake wrote: Thats for people who are actually at the championship. Like attending Gamescon got you Riot Graves etc. The skin is probably going to be tied to your seat/ticket number.Hm, here it says that you can get the Riven championship skin for free: | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
http://suke84.deviantart.com/ On October 03 2012 00:59 onlywonderboy wrote: I don't quite understand the argument for "making everything OP" being the answer to perfect balance. All I can see this doing is increase the skill gap between players at low levels. Then when players of equal skill are playing, the only difference is the damage numbers are bigger and people die quicker. That just doesn't sound appealing to me. If you increase the baseline power of champions, it increases the potential effect that individual plays can have on the overall game-flow. It also delays the point at which teamfight outcomes become a natural product of the gold/item disparity goint into them, which creates more opportunities for comebacks. Higher power level also lets you play with more interesting designs, as many powerful mechanics are not amenable to being easily balanced in a low-power environment. Long-duration stealth is a well-known, if somewhat unpopular, example of a mechanic that has been too troublesome to balance in a low-power environment due to the amount of give-and-take needed to make a champion with long-duration stealth fair for LoL's champ pool (long-duration stealth champs effectively needed to be gimped in pretty much every other aspect in order to make them fair). | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
She isn't a good support because her laning phase wouldn't be that good (well let's rather say that Alistar/Leona/Blitz are better at what they do), but in the mid to late game? Anivia could have had almost no cs, fed, been destroyed in lane, she'd still be full of utility just off of cdr for her wall, mana/mp5 for her ult, and she'd burst squishies without having much AP because her Q and E have broken as fuck scaling as is. But guess what? She doesn't even have a bad laning phase, as long as she's got blue buff she's the safest pusher in the game, hard to gank, best farming ability of all champs, good range and you have to kill her twice. I know there's the "but there are only few people that can play her well", but you don't need that to look at her numbers, and the spells' descriptions, and think "wow, she packs everything". Lulu was deemed like this at release and subsequently nerfed, Janna was deemed as too strong in the damage department and that you shouldn't be able to run an AP with so much utility, and nerfed. Jayce, though not nerfed, is a known issue of this "I have everything" too. So, how is it that for so long (I'd write "for several years", but maybe there was a time where she wasn't broken before I played so.. ) she's been so godlike without anybody lifting even a finger about it? Since she's often played at tournies, too, it's not like she's secret OP either, everyone knows about it. Well she still isn't as frustrating as a fed Rengar or Kha'Zix I'll admit. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:00 TheYango wrote: It is, and it isn't. It's more important to draft a coherent team, but it's far less important to worry about lane matchups or counterpick specific heroes. Honestly, the "casters don't scale" argument against DotA is straight up wrong, because casters scaling with 1-2 stats (AP, some MPen, CDR is generally capped regardless) in LoL and physical damage dealers scaling off 3-4 (AD, AS, Crit, some ArPen) creates the exact same scaling disparity that you have with casters scaling with no damage stats and physical damage dealers scaling off 2 DPS stats (only AD and attack speed are consistently buy-able). Anyone who plays both games can tell you this difference is wildly over-stated. Also casters in dota come with a deathcap at lvl 1 compared to the tickling lol casters do. Carries in dota have to buy a good amount of survivability to not get one shot by the opposing supports/gankers. and there are casters in dota who can jump over the half(not an exageration) map if they have enough farm and kill you in your jungle or escape a 5man gank. there are casters who become near to unkillable beats. there are casters who can teleport to their base and anywhere they want constantly and have point-blank true damage nukes. There are casters who have malzahars ulti as a regular spell or a worse version as a ult spell. there are casters who can farm multiple lanes and jungle at the same time, constantly root you and burst you down in seconds. I just hope the dota and lol comparisons start to look ridiculous enough so ppl realize that there is no comparison to be made except from a very general standpoint. Saying things like "dota casters don't scale" to compare them to lol casters is ridiculous, wrong and not helpful at all. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Strange game, as fp I banned Jayce, Rengar and Malphite, enemy team banned Darius, Amumu and Jax, so now we have Shen and Morgana, and noone dodged. You don't see that often. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:25 Alaric wrote: Isn't Kunkka the admiral hero? Is he named after an artist, like some items are? Yes. He made art for dota and icefrog named the new hero after him | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:25 clickrush wrote: Also casters in dota come with a deathcap at lvl 1 compared to the tickling lol casters do. TBH the base damage disparity isn't that high either (except on ultimates, but that's also only in a few specific cases like Lion and Lina). Far more relevant is the fact that you can only really buy MR on 1-2 items (2 items build out of the basic MR item), and it's not stackable--whereas in LoL you're typically already going to lane with 15+ extra MR, and by the time the APs max their first nuke, a lot of heroes can already be approaching 100 MR. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:23 Alaric wrote: Ugh, I'll never get around Anivia. I don't understand how people can talk about Irelia saying that she's very strong because whichever nerfs you'll slam onto her won't reduce the diversity of her kit (gap closer, cc, true damage, sustain) and not have a syncope at the mere thought of Anivia. She isn't a good support because her laning phase wouldn't be that good (well let's rather say that Alistar/Leona/Blitz are better at what they do), but in the mid to late game? Anivia could have had almost no cs, fed, been destroyed in lane, she'd still be full of utility just off of cdr for her wall, mana/mp5 for her ult, and she'd burst squishies without having much AP because her Q and E have broken as fuck scaling as is. But guess what? She doesn't even have a bad laning phase, as long as she's got blue buff she's the safest pusher in the game, hard to gank, best farming ability of all champs, good range and you have to kill her twice. I know there's the "but there are only few people that can play her well", but you don't need that to look at her numbers, and the spells' descriptions, and think "wow, she packs everything". Lulu was deemed like this at release and subsequently nerfed, Janna was deemed as too strong in the damage department and that you shouldn't be able to run an AP with so much utility, and nerfed. Jayce, though not nerfed, is a known issue of this "I have everything" too. So, how is it that for so long (I'd write "for several years", but maybe there was a time where she wasn't broken before I played so.. ) she's been so godlike without anybody lifting even a finger about it? Since she's often played at tournies, too, it's not like she's secret OP either, everyone knows about it. Well she still isn't as frustrating as a fed Rengar or Kha'Zix I'll admit. I actually want to try some 2v1 lanes as Anivia on purple team. I think making a few changes to her standard masteries, like going 9-12-9, donating lvl 1 blue, can allow her to farm under the tower until she has the level advantage to nuke the carry for trying to cs. Opens up options for AD casters (Talon) mid with a Soraka Ashe top lane and a manaless jungler Shyvanna/Rengar/Mundo. I mean it looks strong as hell on paper, but its very dependent on Anivia's ability to not get zone to the point she gets has level advantage. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:23 Alaric wrote: Ugh, I'll never get around Anivia. I don't understand how people can talk about Irelia saying that she's very strong because whichever nerfs you'll slam onto her won't reduce the diversity of her kit (gap closer, cc, true damage, sustain) and not have a syncope at the mere thought of Anivia. She isn't a good support because her laning phase wouldn't be that good (well let's rather say that Alistar/Leona/Blitz are better at what they do), but in the mid to late game? Anivia could have had almost no cs, fed, been destroyed in lane, she'd still be full of utility just off of cdr for her wall, mana/mp5 for her ult, and she'd burst squishies without having much AP because her Q and E have broken as fuck scaling as is. But guess what? She doesn't even have a bad laning phase, as long as she's got blue buff she's the safest pusher in the game, hard to gank, best farming ability of all champs, good range and you have to kill her twice. I know there's the "but there are only few people that can play her well", but you don't need that to look at her numbers, and the spells' descriptions, and think "wow, she packs everything". Lulu was deemed like this at release and subsequently nerfed, Janna was deemed as too strong in the damage department and that you shouldn't be able to run an AP with so much utility, and nerfed. Jayce, though not nerfed, is a known issue of this "I have everything" too. So, how is it that for so long (I'd write "for several years", but maybe there was a time where she wasn't broken before I played so.. ) she's been so godlike without anybody lifting even a finger about it? Since she's often played at tournies, too, it's not like she's secret OP either, everyone knows about it. Well she still isn't as frustrating as a fed Rengar or Kha'Zix I'll admit. Didn't Riot know that Malphite was OP for a long time, but didn't nerf him until he reached FotM status because they didn't want to look like they were doing random nerfs for no reason? "OMG roit why you nerfing underplayed champions they have no idea what they're doing lolol" They might know that Anivia is OP as fuck but are holding off on nerfs until the general LoL population reaches that conclusion too. | ||
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