EPT[Patch 1.0.0.148: Kha'Zix] General Discussion - Page 187
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GTR
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 16 2012 13:53 wei2coolman wrote: All pro player's elo took hits while they were practicing for World Championships. They stopped streaming and solo queuing for a good 2 weeks, then that entire week for wold championships. So 3 weeks of no solo queing, I'm pretty sure ELO decays, right? Plus all the pros have times where they troll their ELO down so they can get reasonable queue times. Not everyone wants to be ForellenLord. Eh Oddone has been low for the longest time. He actually hit Diamond very very recently. I agree with what Skarnold said. He's too much of a team reliant player and has poor mechanics. I don't agree with Hotshot having poor mechanics though. He's awful at Flash but he seems pretty solid in his plays, too bad he goes full retard too often. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
On October 16 2012 05:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Someone on the Reddit comments cleaned up a few of the points on the original translation, seems to be the most accurate version to me: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11il9l/tpa_toyz_opinion_on_other_mid_laners_in_wc/c6msivc im butthurt ): | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 16 2012 14:12 HazMat wrote: Eh Oddone has been low for the longest time. He actually hit Diamond very very recently. I agree with what Skarnold said. He's too much of a team reliant player and has poor mechanics. I don't agree with Hotshot having poor mechanics though. He's awful at Flash but he seems pretty solid in his plays, too bad he goes full retard too often. You're probably right. HSGG does some stupid good plays in solo queue, then his tourney play looks so terrible >.< | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On October 16 2012 14:30 Irave wrote: Poor Chaox always getting the role of the good guy streamer. I remember his A-Z champion guides that he struggled to push through. Now a couple of days of streaming lessons. Xspecial is great. "This Hashinshin guy rages a lot and isn't really good." "God hashinshin sucks, he just suicided there and started raging." | ||
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
On October 16 2012 13:00 Liquid`NonY wrote: why is theoddone's elo so low? after watching aphromoo cruise through 2600's i look to TOO stream and see he's at low 2200's and making bad plays (and kicking himself for them). he plays almost purely junglers and does seem to be trying to make good plays. i've heard that some pros purposely keep their elo in a range that'll keep queue times low but im really doubting that's the case for TOO. i feel like i've been deceived by the hype of his viewer count, his nickname of the General, and the hype of TSM, into thinking he's a better player than he is. i can only guess he has a lot of knowledge that doesnt apply to solo queue, but i question his ability to understand the game if he cant master solo queue as well, especially as a jungler, a role which has so many decisions to make, thus so many opportunities to make superior decisions I think he's just not that good. For example, toyz, mistake, and bebe are all in top 50 NA with relatively few games and they play with 150 ping. obviously easier to get up there playing certain roles, but it seems to says something about pure mechanical skill | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
there are good solo queue players that are not good team players there are good team players that are not good solo queue players there are players that are good at both | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Oddone is alright. He's still one ofthe top junglers in my book, but he's always seemed to simply not know a lot of basic stuff about the game that he should at times. Maybe he just does it for entertainment value on stream, as in official games it isn't as prevelant. He just seems confused about a lot of stuff at times (he's said many times chaox is the theorycrafter of TSM) where someone like snoopeh or lilballz would know what to do. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
i have no doubt that oddone is the best jungler NA in tournaments. he is on a whole other level then most of the other NA junglers. he kind of got outplayed in the championships but his whole team did, and his play in the regionals was a big part of the reason they won their spot. there is a lot to be gained from looking at how he plays in tournaments, but solo que he is just fucking around and trying to get viewers to make money. | ||
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Koenig99
Canada904 Posts
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Cuddle
Sweden1345 Posts
On October 16 2012 13:00 Liquid`NonY wrote: why is theoddone's elo so low? after watching aphromoo cruise through 2600's i look to TOO stream and see he's at low 2200's and making bad plays (and kicking himself for them). he plays almost purely junglers and does seem to be trying to make good plays. i've heard that some pros purposely keep their elo in a range that'll keep queue times low but im really doubting that's the case for TOO. i feel like i've been deceived by the hype of his viewer count, his nickname of the General, and the hype of TSM, into thinking he's a better player than he is. i can only guess he has a lot of knowledge that doesnt apply to solo queue, but i question his ability to understand the game if he cant master solo queue as well, especially as a jungler, a role which has so many decisions to make, thus so many opportunities to make superior decisions Also, hot white chick in his room. Dude can't concentrate.  I watch TOO because he is funny AND because he commentates his thoughts and actions. I don't really care if he screws up 50% of the time as long as he explains how and why it was a screw up and also what he should've done. Only game I saw last night both mid and support had clairvoyance and kept thrashing his jungle. I figure they ghosted him during picks and decided to have some fun. Hmm, I don't know why I'm defending him here... >.< I don't actually think he is the best jungler, I just think he's entertaining and I guess I'm too much of a fanboi to not argue when people question him. Fuck me, that's really disturbing. Didn't think I had it in me. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
I always see him place like 10 wards down for his lanes only for them to get killed regardless lol He doesn't have as great mechanics as some junglers who just farm up and carry through clutch play. | ||
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
On October 16 2012 15:14 Cuddle wrote: Also, hot white chick in his room. Dude can't concentrate. I watch TOO because he is funny AND because he commentates his thoughts and actions. I don't really care if he screws up 50% of the time as long as he explains how and why it was a screw up and also what he should've done. Only game I saw last night both mid and support had clairvoyance and kept thrashing his jungle. I figure they ghosted him during picks and decided to have some fun. Hmm, I don't know why I'm defending him here... >.< I don't actually think he is the best jungler, I just think he's entertaining and I guess I'm too much of a fanboi to not argue when people question him. Fuck me, that's really disturbing. Didn't think I had it in me. Yeah, basically you watch Oddone because of his unparalleded entertainment value and the commentary while playing. I find TOO to be very funny and enjoy his jungle play. | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
On October 16 2012 14:44 azndsh wrote: I think he's just not that good. For example, toyz, mistake, and bebe are all in top 50 NA with relatively few games and they play with 150 ping. obviously easier to get up there playing certain roles, but it seems to says something about pure mechanical skill Was it before Kiev or what, when Regi was stuck at 1900e, and everyone was laughing how bad he was, and he decided to get to ladder nr1 in less then one month, and he did it. I don't kno'w if TOO could ever be the soloq king, but i have no doubt, that he could do a LOT better if he tried. His stream is like 90% entertainment nowadays. Bruce Lee fighting against the drug cartels, double agents and druglords for the win. ^^ | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
gg and yeah, Hotshot has incredible reactions and mechanics, his grand strategy is what needs work | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
*tries to put square block into circular hole* "this would work if my shitty team helped!" *gets help from jiji to put square block into circular hole, but still fails* "man, if i we only did it right it would have worked, i swear!" PapaChauster: "don't worry BabyshotGG, it's cause we're purple.... Those darn racist blues" | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Always invade,always hog buffs,always KS,always carry. It's rather hilarious when mid lane comes to get blue while he's doing it and than when it's low he's like "FUCK U BITCH" and smites it lol. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 16 2012 13:23 Xevious wrote: ehhhh mechanics are mostly what get you through high elo solo queue (by playing strong lane heroes or mechanically intensive carry junglers like olaf or our recent releases). one doesn't need to be a mechanical player to be a great player, plenty of other junglers with mediocre mechanical skill remain at a competitive level (hotshot comes to mind) through superior game sense or exceptional synergy with another player (in oddone's case, regi). the skills oddone has aren't that valuable in solo queue but extremely valuable in a coordinated team environment. That's just not flat out not true at all. I have to play on my laptop atm so I can only manage lowest settings, and can only hope for 30 or so FPS often dropping to "can't see shit" levels in teamfights (overheating easily, also makes it hard to aim skillshots). I hadn't played for like a month and within 20 games of solo queue I've went from 2100 to 2200. (which isn't really high, at all btw) I basically can't win with micro/auto/ intensive champions and all I play is supports, jungle amumu, and some top laners, and so far top lane is my worst win rate because you're expected to do more in teamfights as a top laner especially if your team is behind and often I'm feeling pretty limited. (at the very least, when I lose as support or jungle it's usually clearly my fault, probably to due with consistent top laners that I don't really improve upon except for I don't let my lane snowball in top) despite that I generally win or break even top lane playing standard tanky heroes with good mid/late game (malph irelia) even though I'm bad at csing. I'm also pretty bad at skillshots. And both of these were true even playing on my PC. I'm learning a lot about top lane though and really feeling it's helping me a lot. I mean even in theory it's not true at all, because you can expect your team to be MORE able to play carry type champions than support and tank like champions, meaning it's relatively easy to gain elo with these champs because you have a bigger effect than expected simply playing well all game and paying enough attention that you have proper items on support (say zeke aegis cdr boots leona ) instead of just buying 100 wrads for no reason and sitting on philo hog. One of the reasons is that oddone likes to entertain his viewers and, I believe, another reason is that simply oddone isn't as good relative to the playerbase as he was when he was rank 1 from playing jungle nunu. People love to come up with arguments for why TSM lost or why jiji isnt doing well recently but if you read toyz opinion he just thinks they flat out aren't as good as they were compared to everyone else, which when you think about it is pretty obviously true because they were the only players around before. and from what I see the players you see dominate in arranged play tend to be stomping souls in solo queue. Think of it like the sports equivalent to physical fitness. Sure you can get by in a football or whatever game team if you know your shit but if you're out of shape you won't be able to dominate a game. one thing that I've noticed that if something is going wrong in teamfights generally as a team we'll be like "wtf happened" and somone will give a suggestion like "oh malph don't ult until X happens" or "sona wait for kat to go in before using ult" or "just kite them and poke don't engage unless they're low", and things like that. Streamers are probably too busy talking to their stream and commentating what they're doing to really do that type of things and it definitely wins games especially when you're in the role of an initiator because knowing your team and what your team wants is obviously really important there. Saying that oddone could get to rank 1 elo like regi if he tried is probably true. But as a professional player you'd think you should be trying as a no-brainer. Regi was stuck at 1900 elo and he specifically trained himself to get to rank 1 meaning he improved his play significantly. Some of that was paying attention more and picking better but a lot of it was just getting back into the groove and definitely helped his TSM games because he wasn't just picking morg and kennen and flashing into the enemy team without zonyas and hoping if they focused him his team would win the fight. | ||
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
On October 16 2012 17:30 TheKefka wrote: Saint #1 soloq jungler. Always invade,always hog buffs,always KS,always carry. It's rather hilarious when mid lane comes to get blue while he's doing it and than when it's low he's like "FUCK U BITCH" and smites it lol. I actually notice a massive improvement in my jungling when I actually have blue buff all the time with basically any mana based champion, you can spam those spells for clears and spam them during the ganks and of course the ult cool down on characters like Nocturne is awesome. And when you give it to a mid, they either feed it or has 0 idea how to farm with it..... | ||
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