[Patch 1.0.0.148: Kha'Zix] General Discussion - Page 188

On October 16 2012 18:28 Zhiroo wrote:
That's not entirely true. He loves to play a lot of Lee Sin in solo queue actually even though I've hardly ever seen him pull out Lee in a tournament game.

On October 16 2012 18:28 Zhiroo wrote:
That's not entirely true. He loves to play a lot of Lee Sin in solo queue actually even though I've hardly ever seen him pull out Lee in a tournament game.

On October 16 2012 18:20 Sufficiency wrote:
I hope I don't sound too butthurt/ignorant for saying this, it takes little mechanical skills (beside typing in timer?) to play Nunu/Maokai/Shyvana. TOO basically just plays one of these three only.

On October 16 2012 21:43 Promises wrote:
Could you give your definition of mechanics then? I'm confused ^^

On October 16 2012 23:01 barbsq wrote:
having better mechanics significantly complements good gamesense, so I would never say that you should ignore your mechanics. I think it's true tho, that good gamesense with poor mechanics will beat poor gamesense with good mechanics for the most part.

On October 16 2012 23:07 Cuddle wrote:
While we're on dodging skill shots...

Is there a point where you have factor the juke/dodge into your skill shot? There's a whole mindgame meta going on and I'm curious of your experience with this.

Do you try to juke skillshots?
Do you try to take juking/dodging into consideration when using a skill shot? (especially if there is only one direction to juke - as in the skillshot is comming from ~90 deg angle and enemy can only chose to continue forward or stop/turn as a juke).
Have you ever not juked a skill shot on purpose because someone is preemptively compensating for your juke?
Have you seen a shift in this meta?

At my level I'm happy if I can land a skill shot aiming at where I think the enemy will be and if he jukes me I say "kudos" and accept it. Every now and then, however, I consider compensating for the juke (or faking the skillshot to lure the juke) but then some enemy just runs right into a straight shot and I dismiss it as "above" our skill.
I try to juke skills flung at me as best I can but I screw up as often as not.

(Ps. I'm not sure if there's a difference in juking and dodging. I'm assuming not above. D.s.)
(Ps2 I think I wrote the word juke to many times. The word lost its meaning... Ds2)

On October 16 2012 23:17 Ota Solgryn wrote:


When I play blitz at 1800-1900 elo I always hook to the juke because here all players always juke and never mindgame me with this (pretending to make a juke and then walking in a straight direction).

The way most people juke is to walk in a J shape or almost U shape sometimes. It is hilarious to grab someone that makes the U shape and then you foresaw this, so your grab actually goes way behind him and then catches him. Looks retarded because it looks like you completely missclicked ur grab, and still grabs him.

I had one game were this Ashe would always just walk straight away from me, not changing direction ever, and I missed literally all my hooks on her in that game. Kept thinking: "this time she will juke!".

On October 16 2012 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote:

Not entirely sure I agree with you, Sir Bear.
I would argue that my gamesense is pretty decent (I would say higher than my current elo would let on, but that opens up a whole other elo hell can o' worms, amirite?) but my mechanics are just godawful. I panic in teamfights, misclick and hit the wrong keys constantly (my 5s team yesterday can attest to it) and still tend to miss last hits and such way more often than I should.
Obviously I still make dumb mistakes as I am a bad player overall, but I think a lot of the time my calls ingame are good ones and I don't tend to be caught my obvious baits/gank attempts very often. I feel like if I had good mechanics but crappy gamesense I'd win lane much more often (though get ganked a lot more) and be able to snowball from there more often when the jungler fails to help my laning opponent.

(Disclaimer: I am aware how self-biased this post sounds; it's just how I feel about my own skill level. I don't think I'm good at the game by any means, and I know that any decent player can show just how big of a failure I am at gamesense/mechanics/any aspect of the game I think I'm good at.)

On October 16 2012 23:53 barbsq wrote:

Idk, i think if there were a player whos gamesense was as poor as your description of mechanics that would be a serious handicap. If there were a player whos skillset were the exact opposite of yours, I feel like i would much rather not have that person. I guess if your mechanics are actively interfering with how you play the game, then your gamesense has to be really damn good to make up for it (i don't have enough experience playing with you to know where you stand). In terms of improvement tho, i guess someone who's mechanically sound just needs someone to tell them what to do, whereas someone who has solid gamesense needs a lot more active practice to be able to get up to par.

edit: to clarify a bit, this kind of person i would imagine constantly face-checking brushes, pushing to tier2 tower without wards, consistently engaging in losing battles (eg 4v5, 3v5, 3v4, etc), but still has decent mechanics and doesn't missclick and hits the majority of skillshots. I feel like that kind of person would be infuriating to play with.

On October 17 2012 00:17 Simberto wrote:


The sad thing is, those guys exist on masse. And they will always blame someone else. They engage 4v5, blame the person that is not there. They overextend way too much, blame the guy who "did not call ss". The other extreme is strange, too, because they know what to do, but don't have any money or can't make it work because of a lack of mechanics. Most people are somewhere in between.

Also, i'd say it is exactly the opposite way around. Mechanics are rather easy to practice, gamesense it not. You can only get gamesense by playing lots and lots of games, AND being aware what is going on during all this time. You probably also need to watch a lot of replays, and then remember what you thought at a specific point in game, and if that was right or wrong. And THEN you need to find out if you can generalize that. Sure, someone who play with you and calls all the shots is a bandaid fix, but that does only work as long as that guy is with you. If you want to practice mechanics, just grab someone and 1v1 lane him for a few hours. Most basic mechanics like lasthitting can even be practiced against bots pretty easily.

Also, it is pretty easy to test if your gamesense is actually good. Just play jungle. Jungling is about 90% gamesense, mechanics are largely irrelevant. Especially if you play someone like skarner, who doesn't even have any skillshots.