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On October 16 2012 04:38 Ketara wrote:
I had a weird bug like that today.
I was doing Lux support vs. Blitzcrank.
He was in the bushes, I hit him with my snare. Couldn't see him but I knew where he was and I knew it hit. He shoots a rocket grab right after I hit him and misses.
Somehow, the rocket grab moved his model out of the bush. He was clearly not in the bush but was still snared.
I think grab moves blitzcrank a tiny bit forward as he uses it. If he was standing on the very edge of the brush that might expose him.
Didn't know it could move him while snared tho.
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I am playing a lot of jungle lately, and i am noticing a problem. I don't have money. I have literally no income after the teamfight phase starts, because i have to stick around my team all the time, thus not being able to get creeps in the jungle. I also don't get kills since i mostly play supporty junglers like skarner or amumu. Early on, i feel like i have to gank a lot, or my lanes just lose. Midgame, i have to hang around my team in case fights happen. And in those spaces where everyone spreads out to farm stuff, i don't get any, since there is always some ad carry around that wants that money more then me. Also, i tend to buy a lot of wards. This leaves me in that awkward spot where i don't have any items (like, maybe shurelyas and an aegis) and can no longer tank anything, just because i don't have any items and am very squishy. What does one do to prevent that? Where can i get money?
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On October 16 2012 05:33 Simberto wrote:
I am playing a lot of jungle lately, and i am noticing a problem. I don't have money. I have literally no income after the teamfight phase starts, because i have to stick around my team all the time, thus not being able to get creeps in the jungle. I also don't get kills since i mostly play supporty junglers like skarner or amumu. Early on, i feel like i have to gank a lot, or my lanes just lose. Midgame, i have to hang around my team in case fights happen. And in those spaces where everyone spreads out to farm stuff, i don't get any, since there is always some ad carry around that wants that money more then me. Also, i tend to buy a lot of wards. This leaves me in that awkward spot where i don't have any items (like, maybe shurelyas and an aegis) and can no longer tank anything, just because i don't have any items and am very squishy. What does one do to prevent that? Where can i get money?
GP10's?
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That's just the state of the jungle right now, just play champs that don't' require any items to stay relevant, like maokai, amumu, etc etc.
That or tax the shit out of lanes after every gank. One thing I always do is when I play lee sin, is after every gank, I force the lane to shove the lane into the tower, and everyone blue pills right after. That way my lane will keep item advantage, and I get to steal some xp and gold.
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The carries don't get priority in farming pushed lanes in all situations. If they've just finished an item, and you're working on one, don't feel like you have to let them have that farm. You finishing an item will have more of an impact than them just banking 1500 gold.
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On October 16 2012 05:33 Simberto wrote:
I am playing a lot of jungle lately, and i am noticing a problem. I don't have money. I have literally no income after the teamfight phase starts, because i have to stick around my team all the time, thus not being able to get creeps in the jungle. I also don't get kills since i mostly play supporty junglers like skarner or amumu. Early on, i feel like i have to gank a lot, or my lanes just lose. Midgame, i have to hang around my team in case fights happen. And in those spaces where everyone spreads out to farm stuff, i don't get any, since there is always some ad carry around that wants that money more then me. Also, i tend to buy a lot of wards. This leaves me in that awkward spot where i don't have any items (like, maybe shurelyas and an aegis) and can no longer tank anything, just because i don't have any items and am very squishy. What does one do to prevent that? Where can i get money?
Philo should hold you over on Amumu and Skarner (at least until you push it to a Reverie) in the early game with ganks. Also, look out for places where you can snag farm while doing other stuff. Running through the jungle? Skarner or Amumu (since you mentioned those, others as well) can clear a camp in a couple seconds. If you're lying in ambush, or just getting from A to B with no real rush, stop and grab a camp. Don't forget that if Mastery-ed, your Smite gives extra gold as well. Also look for places where you can "steal" farm. If your team is pushing out a creep wave, snag some. The AD wants gold, and you want to get him fed, but if you're in team fight mode, taking a dozen or so from him isn't going to hurt him as much as it did in lane. Between fights, also try to be the pusher. Team shopping/recovering? Go kill a wave or clear your/their jungle.
But yes, you're always going to be more starved than a laner. That's why most picked junglers can do fine with low items, just focusing on defenses.
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Side (but somewhat related, I guess) note, do you guys think there are any junglers that can work with Smite/Teleport? One of the reasons Shen jungle feels strong despite not having Naut level ganks or fast clears, is that he has that Shen Global Presence that you need to be wary of. Do you think there's junglers who can live without Flash/Ghost and don't necessarily need Exhaust otherwise? I'm trying to think, maybe Mao (enough CC that he might not technically need Exhaust, knockup/defenses are pretty good for escapes) or Lee (doesn't need Flash or Ghost because Lee Sin, ganks scary enough without Exhaust).
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On October 16 2012 05:46 Requizen wrote:
Side (but somewhat related, I guess) note, do you guys think there are any junglers that can work with Smite/Teleport? One of the reasons Shen jungle feels strong despite not having Naut level ganks or fast clears, is that he has that Shen Global Presence that you need to be wary of. Do you think there's junglers who can live without Flash/Ghost and don't necessarily need Exhaust otherwise? I'm trying to think, maybe Mao (enough CC that he might not technically need Exhaust, knockup/defenses are pretty good for escapes) or Lee (doesn't need Flash or Ghost because Lee Sin, ganks scary enough without Exhaust).
By what logic is it remotely reasonable to not have Flash on Maokai?
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Oh god I've had the misfortune of jungling against smite/tp shaco before.
Fuck that guy.
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On October 16 2012 05:48 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 05:46 Requizen wrote:
Side (but somewhat related, I guess) note, do you guys think there are any junglers that can work with Smite/Teleport? One of the reasons Shen jungle feels strong despite not having Naut level ganks or fast clears, is that he has that Shen Global Presence that you need to be wary of. Do you think there's junglers who can live without Flash/Ghost and don't necessarily need Exhaust otherwise? I'm trying to think, maybe Mao (enough CC that he might not technically need Exhaust, knockup/defenses are pretty good for escapes) or Lee (doesn't need Flash or Ghost because Lee Sin, ganks scary enough without Exhaust). By what logic is it remotely reasonable to not have Flash on Maokai?
I don't really play him (I think just free weeks), I just figured with Twisted Advance to get in range, and then Knockup to stop chasers and ult to shrug off incoming damage, maybe. But I don't know him that well, so I'm obviously wrong, not the point.
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On October 16 2012 05:51 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 05:48 TheYango wrote:On October 16 2012 05:46 Requizen wrote:
Side (but somewhat related, I guess) note, do you guys think there are any junglers that can work with Smite/Teleport? One of the reasons Shen jungle feels strong despite not having Naut level ganks or fast clears, is that he has that Shen Global Presence that you need to be wary of. Do you think there's junglers who can live without Flash/Ghost and don't necessarily need Exhaust otherwise? I'm trying to think, maybe Mao (enough CC that he might not technically need Exhaust, knockup/defenses are pretty good for escapes) or Lee (doesn't need Flash or Ghost because Lee Sin, ganks scary enough without Exhaust). By what logic is it remotely reasonable to not have Flash on Maokai? I don't really play him (I think just free weeks), I just figured with Twisted Advance to get in range, and then Knockup to stop chasers and ult to shrug off incoming damage, maybe. But I don't know him that well, so I'm obviously wrong, not the point.
flash-twisted advance secures far more kills than twisted advance by itself...
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On October 16 2012 05:46 Requizen wrote:
Side (but somewhat related, I guess) note, do you guys think there are any junglers that can work with Smite/Teleport? One of the reasons Shen jungle feels strong despite not having Naut level ganks or fast clears, is that he has that Shen Global Presence that you need to be wary of. Do you think there's junglers who can live without Flash/Ghost and don't necessarily need Exhaust otherwise? I'm trying to think, maybe Mao (enough CC that he might not technically need Exhaust, knockup/defenses are pretty good for escapes) or Lee (doesn't need Flash or Ghost because Lee Sin, ganks scary enough without Exhaust).
Work as in are legitimately good in a ranked game or work as in can work in normals?
I've played quite a bit of smite/TP Yi back in the day, always farm, never gank, always splitpush, never not splitpush. I didn't try it after the jungle remake and I was hesitant to try it in ranked games because it becomes useful pretty late into the game, at a point where your 1/12/3 AD Ezreal mid who lost to Kassadin already decided it was your fault you lose the game and ragequit - or something along those lines. I wouldn't play it in a game I desperately want to win, but I do think it's a strategy that has it's places.
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On October 16 2012 04:15 Alaric wrote:
Uh... playing Wukong against Darius, I ult him under my tower. He's in mid-air, and starts his ult animation there, as if he never was knocked-up, and I'm sure he didn't start it before my ult (in case he's like Ez who can't be interrupted once he starts).
Dafuk.
He started casting his R before you started yours. Like most other spells with casting animation (e.g. Lux, Ezreal), once you start casting, there is no way to stop the spell from going off UNLESS YOU KILL HIM OUTRIGHT DURING THE ANIMATION. In this case, you managed to cc him but that doesn't stop his R.
It is possible, for example, to start casting an Ezreal R, get Blitz grabbed, and Ezreal's R will still go off from his original position.
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Could probably run TP on lee sin against bad jungle duelists, but I don't really see the benefit of it.
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On October 16 2012 05:56 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:15 Alaric wrote:
Uh... playing Wukong against Darius, I ult him under my tower. He's in mid-air, and starts his ult animation there, as if he never was knocked-up, and I'm sure he didn't start it before my ult (in case he's like Ez who can't be interrupted once he starts).
Dafuk. He started casting his R before you started yours. Like most other spells with casting animation (e.g. Lux, Ezreal), once you start casting, there is no way to stop the spell from going off UNLESS YOU KILL HIM OUTRIGHT DURING THE ANIMATION. In this case, you managed to cc him but that doesn't stop his R. It is possible, for example, to start casting an Ezreal R, get Blitz grabbed, and Ezreal's R will still go off from his original position.
Not necessarily true; there's that video somewhere of a Skarner grabbing Darius as he's in the air and he's frozen in crystal form, midair.
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On October 16 2012 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 05:56 Sufficiency wrote:On October 16 2012 04:15 Alaric wrote:
Uh... playing Wukong against Darius, I ult him under my tower. He's in mid-air, and starts his ult animation there, as if he never was knocked-up, and I'm sure he didn't start it before my ult (in case he's like Ez who can't be interrupted once he starts).
Dafuk. He started casting his R before you started yours. Like most other spells with casting animation (e.g. Lux, Ezreal), once you start casting, there is no way to stop the spell from going off UNLESS YOU KILL HIM OUTRIGHT DURING THE ANIMATION. In this case, you managed to cc him but that doesn't stop his R. It is possible, for example, to start casting an Ezreal R, get Blitz grabbed, and Ezreal's R will still go off from his original position. Not necessarily true; there's that video somewhere of a Skarner grabbing Darius as he's in the air and he's frozen in crystal form, midair.
Yeah, but what happens when the ult ends? Suppression (from what I can tell), simply "pauses" your game character (from a code perspective, you basically move at 0x the normal game speed, etc etc), so when he breaks out, he should finish it, no?
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If I'm jungling and gold starved I usually try to convince my team to get dragon as much as possible. Global objectives really help the jungle AND support with getting items.
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On October 16 2012 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 05:56 Sufficiency wrote:On October 16 2012 04:15 Alaric wrote:
Uh... playing Wukong against Darius, I ult him under my tower. He's in mid-air, and starts his ult animation there, as if he never was knocked-up, and I'm sure he didn't start it before my ult (in case he's like Ez who can't be interrupted once he starts).
Dafuk. He started casting his R before you started yours. Like most other spells with casting animation (e.g. Lux, Ezreal), once you start casting, there is no way to stop the spell from going off UNLESS YOU KILL HIM OUTRIGHT DURING THE ANIMATION. In this case, you managed to cc him but that doesn't stop his R. It is possible, for example, to start casting an Ezreal R, get Blitz grabbed, and Ezreal's R will still go off from his original position. Not necessarily true; there's that video somewhere of a Skarner grabbing Darius as he's in the air and he's frozen in crystal form, midair.
Interesting. Perhaps suppression works a bit differently.
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On October 16 2012 06:11 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 16 2012 05:56 Sufficiency wrote:On October 16 2012 04:15 Alaric wrote:
Uh... playing Wukong against Darius, I ult him under my tower. He's in mid-air, and starts his ult animation there, as if he never was knocked-up, and I'm sure he didn't start it before my ult (in case he's like Ez who can't be interrupted once he starts).
Dafuk. He started casting his R before you started yours. Like most other spells with casting animation (e.g. Lux, Ezreal), once you start casting, there is no way to stop the spell from going off UNLESS YOU KILL HIM OUTRIGHT DURING THE ANIMATION. In this case, you managed to cc him but that doesn't stop his R. It is possible, for example, to start casting an Ezreal R, get Blitz grabbed, and Ezreal's R will still go off from his original position. Not necessarily true; there's that video somewhere of a Skarner grabbing Darius as he's in the air and he's frozen in crystal form, midair. Interesting. Perhaps suppression works a bit differently.
People here seem to think Skarner's R is bugged.
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On October 16 2012 06:12 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 06:11 Sufficiency wrote:On October 16 2012 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 16 2012 05:56 Sufficiency wrote:On October 16 2012 04:15 Alaric wrote:
Uh... playing Wukong against Darius, I ult him under my tower. He's in mid-air, and starts his ult animation there, as if he never was knocked-up, and I'm sure he didn't start it before my ult (in case he's like Ez who can't be interrupted once he starts).
Dafuk. He started casting his R before you started yours. Like most other spells with casting animation (e.g. Lux, Ezreal), once you start casting, there is no way to stop the spell from going off UNLESS YOU KILL HIM OUTRIGHT DURING THE ANIMATION. In this case, you managed to cc him but that doesn't stop his R. It is possible, for example, to start casting an Ezreal R, get Blitz grabbed, and Ezreal's R will still go off from his original position. Not necessarily true; there's that video somewhere of a Skarner grabbing Darius as he's in the air and he's frozen in crystal form, midair. Interesting. Perhaps suppression works a bit differently. People here seem to think Skarner's R is bugged.
They would be wrong.
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