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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 15 2012 02:23 GMT
#3461
Nautilus has the most CC
You can't get more CC.
CC yo
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 15 2012 02:25 GMT
#3462
On October 15 2012 11:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
Nautilus has the most CC
You can't get more CC.
CC yo

Death is the best CC.
It's your boy Guzma!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
October 15 2012 02:28 GMT
#3463
On October 15 2012 11:20 Diamond wrote:
So after jungling alot of games I have seem to found my best champ with Maokai. I'm like 78% winrate (low sample size obv). What other champs have tons of solid CC like him? I find at low elo's (I suck) that champs like SHyv that often my teammates are slow to engage the gank and the opponent gets away frequently. With Mao its like they have multiple chances to fuck it up and sitll get the kill.

Any suggestions?

Champs I currently know how to jungle:
Nocturne
Nunu
Maokai
Shyvanna
Kha'Zix
Rammus
Diana
Fiddle (not a fan)
Lee Sin (I'm terribad with him)
Warwick
Skarner
Udyr

I like Udyr personally, usually my go-to jungle when it comes down to it, you can jungle most of the good jungles tho, maybe give mundo or riven or something a try?
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ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
October 15 2012 02:28 GMT
#3464
Learn Hecarim, Battle horse is very strong.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 15 2012 02:29 GMT
#3465
On October 15 2012 11:25 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 11:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
Nautilus has the most CC
You can't get more CC.
CC yo

Death is the best CC.

I build nautilus FMallet -> Rylais -> Gunblade

CC, man. CC.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
AUGcodon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada536 Posts
October 15 2012 02:29 GMT
#3466
Outta your list, I say skarner have equivalent CC and actually can recover from bad games better than Maokai. If our team is doing bad, I basically get mobil boots right after philo and a very fast oracles. It is pretty risky play but I have came back from pretty bad games by applying pressure everywhere. sooner or later, something gives and you can pull a lane back. I get a shreluias immediately asap after this. you are pretty squishy with this build so you are just there to pull the right target back.

If I am even or ahead, I get double gp5 into mobil boots and ageis. with this route you are pretty much just a standard tank + ult.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
October 15 2012 02:31 GMT
#3467
I suggest jungling jayce.

The clear speeds and ganks are quite nice. You should try to be a bit tankier than usual though. I like wriggles first and maxing W for the clear speeds and damage.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 02:31:37
October 15 2012 02:31 GMT
#3468
Get better at Lee Sin. Diamondprox says you aren't a real jungler unless you know Lee Sin, especially with the name "Diamond"

Naut is still strong. Alistar is worth learning for when there are too many new op champions to ban. Jarvan is pretty fun. Amumu is soloq terror and is one of the biggest idiot indicators for "hey dumb teammate we're fighting now"

Leona jungle also brings a lot of CC.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 15 2012 02:32 GMT
#3469
On October 15 2012 11:20 Diamond wrote:
So after jungling alot of games I have seem to found my best champ with Maokai. I'm like 78% winrate (low sample size obv). What other champs have tons of solid CC like him? I find at low elo's (I suck) that champs like SHyv that often my teammates are slow to engage the gank and the opponent gets away frequently. With Mao its like they have multiple chances to fuck it up and sitll get the kill.

Any suggestions?

Champs I currently know how to jungle:
Nocturne
Nunu
Maokai
Shyvanna
Kha'Zix
Rammus
Diana
Fiddle (not a fan)
Lee Sin (I'm terribad with him)
Warwick
Skarner
Udyr

Skarner
Learn Amumu
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 02:38:13
October 15 2012 02:36 GMT
#3470
Cool, thanks fopr the advice all! Skarner is definitely my second best jungle, time to learn ammu, I just hate blue dependent jungles (i LOVE giving away 2nd+ blue every time).

<3

Edit: Also can't wait for ladder reset, have went from low 700 elo to about 1100 currently in a couple weeks, so I am ready to try not to screw up my placement matches again lol!
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13848 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 02:39:59
October 15 2012 02:38 GMT
#3471
amumumu? Best cc spell in the game and double drings makes him a wicked ganker. Olaf can get constant slows on his axe if he manages to keep grabing it from the ground.

hecarim has his fairly long range knockback spell and his ult is really nice if you can hit it well. it makes people run away from the direction he ends up on the ult path.

singed jungle is a thing thats got a fling and a pretty heavy slow. Naut ofc has a ton of cc on his kit. xin has some really neat use's of his ult and once you finish your nashors you get a near constant up time on a knock up if they don't focus you.

What do you do for the level 3-6 time on ww when your ganks suck and you can't really do much other then farm and/or countergank? I really can't get that going right for me so I just camp a lane and steal exp but I don't think its that good.

you shouldn't have too much mana problems if you go double dring instead of philo start. I don't at least.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 15 2012 02:39 GMT
#3472
On October 15 2012 11:38 Sermokala wrote:
amumumu? Best cc spell in the game and double drings makes him a wicked ganker. Olaf can get constant slows on his axe if he manages to keep grabing it from the ground.


I just love giving as many blues away as possible to mid and ammu needs several, but you are right I NEED to learn him.

hecarim has his fairly long range knockback spell and his ult is really nice if you can hit it well. it makes people run away from the direction he ends up on the ult path.


Never been that impressed with Hecarim, maybe I am using him wrong or something

singed jungle is a thing thats got a fling and a pretty heavy slow. Naut ofc has a ton of cc on his kit. xin has some really neat use's of his ult and once you finish your nashors you get a near constant up time on a knock up if they don't focus you.


Thanks!

What do you do for the level 3-6 time on ww when your ganks suck and you can't really do much other then farm and/or countergank? I really can't get that going right for me so I just camp a lane and steal exp but I don't think its that good.


That's why I stopped jungling WW, nothing for ganks pre level 6 unless your opponents push too hard.
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SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
October 15 2012 02:45 GMT
#3473
Can always try to learn Shaco. Get good enough with him and you can carry just about any ELO especially since you can dodge almost all wards with your Q. He's got his stealth/blink with his Q, a fear with his W & a slow with his E. Plus once you get 6 you can tower dive fairly easily since you can use your ult and send it in first to tank the tower.

Amumu, as others have said.
Nautilus, as others have said.

Can try Cho'gath is you'd like. His sustain is amazing since you get health/mana from killing creeps. Your ganks aren't THAT bad as long as you can land your Rupture. Landing a rupture, going up to silence (they can't flash now!), and feasting for true damage is pretty disgusting.

Alistar is great as well. Get Blue, then just gank gank gank, come from behind the lanes, headbut them, then pulv them. Flash + HB/Pulv is amazing for ganking as well. (Flash over wraith wall onto their mid can usually be a first blood most of the time) Even if you get behind as alistar, as long as you have Mobility Boots, an oracles & are at least level 6 you'll be useful all game. (Ult is OP! hah) With that said, tower dive like mad at 6 because with your ult up you can tank turrets all day.

GL, Diamond!
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13848 Posts
October 15 2012 02:49 GMT
#3474
I could never figure out if it was better to silence first and then rupture or rupture first and then silence.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 15 2012 02:51 GMT
#3475
On October 15 2012 11:49 Sermokala wrote:
I could never figure out if it was better to silence first and then rupture or rupture first and then silence.


Wouldn't it be Rupture since it has a shorter cooldown (ie: chance to cast it multiple times in a fight)?
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
October 15 2012 02:53 GMT
#3476
Learn jungle Xin, secret OP
Amumu also super big priority

Secret to Hecarim: his W is OP. Don't pop it when you charge it; pop it when you're at like half hp after the inital burst an your team is dropping their big spells.
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wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
October 15 2012 02:56 GMT
#3477
If you guys are talking about what to skill first, you skill silence because the CC scales. If you are talking about what to throw out first, just throw out what feels right (W first on a Kat or you want them not to flash, Q first if you have a good chance at hitting them).
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11452 Posts
October 15 2012 02:57 GMT
#3478
On October 15 2012 11:39 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 11:38 Sermokala wrote:
amumumu? Best cc spell in the game and double drings makes him a wicked ganker. Olaf can get constant slows on his axe if he manages to keep grabing it from the ground.


I just love giving as many blues away as possible to mid and ammu needs several, but you are right I NEED to learn him.


What, no. Amumu is just fine with only the first blue. Without the first blue its rather annoying, but that is true for pretty much any jungler with mana. I'd say skarner is more blue dependent then amumu after the first one, and he is fine with giving away the second blue too. Sure, its nice to get more, but you are not dependent on those. Basically, take more if you have a nonmana champ mid, or one that does not care about blue for some reason. Just build either Philo or 2 dorans rings, and recall from time to time, and you are fine. Blue just allows you to jump around the jungle like crazy with q, but that is not really necessary.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 15 2012 03:00 GMT
#3479
On October 15 2012 11:57 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 11:39 Diamond wrote:
On October 15 2012 11:38 Sermokala wrote:
amumumu? Best cc spell in the game and double drings makes him a wicked ganker. Olaf can get constant slows on his axe if he manages to keep grabing it from the ground.


I just love giving as many blues away as possible to mid and ammu needs several, but you are right I NEED to learn him.


What, no. Amumu is just fine with only the first blue. Without the first blue its rather annoying, but that is true for pretty much any jungler with mana. I'd say skarner is more blue dependent then amumu after the first one, and he is fine with giving away the second blue too. Sure, its nice to get more, but you are not dependent on those. Basically, take more if you have a nonmana champ mid, or one that does not care about blue for some reason. Just build either Philo or 2 dorans rings, and recall from time to time, and you are fine. Blue just allows you to jump around the jungle like crazy with q, but that is not really necessary.


Cool, I must just be too used to these shitty ammu's that want the first 2-3 blues saying ammu cant jungle without it. Either way, an very obvious hole in my jungle roster that needs to be fixed.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
October 15 2012 03:00 GMT
#3480
RE kat counters: RYZE. level 7 get blue buff and tear and kill kat. repeat every time she comes back to lane.
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