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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 24 2012 18:40 GMT
#3481
There are cases that where you can allocate gold more fluidly however, ie dunk lanes.
Think Graves top and something like Panth/Jarv bottom. Obviously not an ideal situation and the meta at high level I'm sure will fuck it up in one way or another (and not that I feel like figuring out how or why, but I'm sure it's true because pros said so amirite). If the two of them share farm it seems more ideal in that case than giving it all to one or the other as each of them will be able to pick up various small items on their way to bigger ones, further cementing their terror in lane against the poor AD/support.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 24 2012 18:49 GMT
#3482
On September 25 2012 03:39 TheKefka wrote:
I don't understand why people get gp/10 items on stuff like blitz,leona,alistar,etc.Last time I checked those supports are meant to kill people and not stand afk in a bush with a philo stone,waiting to get a lucky hook or whatever.I see people time and time again hording gold items when you can just stack dorans and stomp your lane,while having more wards in lane than you would have with buying gold items.


Because if Leona + AD carry know what they're doing they can get them and wreck shit anyway.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
September 24 2012 18:50 GMT
#3483
can sombody write generic timers when to expect jungler ganking top assuming standard rout, wriaths+red >lvl2 gank or red + blue> lvl3 gank, i used to know this but after playing mid so for so long i just forgot.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 24 2012 18:54 GMT
#3484
On September 25 2012 03:50 kongoline wrote:
can sombody write generic timers when to expect jungler ganking top assuming standard rout, wriaths+red >lvl2 gank or red + blue> lvl3 gank, i used to know this but after playing mid so for so long i just forgot.

always... they are always there
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
September 24 2012 18:59 GMT
#3485
On September 25 2012 03:54 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 03:50 kongoline wrote:
can sombody write generic timers when to expect jungler ganking top assuming standard rout, wriaths+red >lvl2 gank or red + blue> lvl3 gank, i used to know this but after playing mid so for so long i just forgot.

always... they are always there

I'm pretty sure some junglers, a few XP short of level 3, get lizard down to around half health and then go "WELL I THINK I'LL GANK TOP NOW" and head directly there.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 24 2012 19:01 GMT
#3486
On September 25 2012 03:59 Flakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 03:54 Mogwai wrote:
On September 25 2012 03:50 kongoline wrote:
can sombody write generic timers when to expect jungler ganking top assuming standard rout, wriaths+red >lvl2 gank or red + blue> lvl3 gank, i used to know this but after playing mid so for so long i just forgot.

always... they are always there

I'm pretty sure some junglers, a few XP short of level 3, get lizard down to around half health and then go "WELL I THINK I'LL GANK TOP NOW" and head directly there.

dude, I know they do, uhg, top lane's the worst, I'm just gonna play AP Teemo mid from now on.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 24 2012 19:02 GMT
#3487
lol i had hotshot's stream in the background and he was playing full metal rammus and with the skinsounds i thought they decided to work @ a construction site at 9 pm

not sure what he's thinking though going tabis, sunfire cape, force of nature and 3 dorans shields.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
September 24 2012 19:03 GMT
#3488
On September 25 2012 04:02 AsnSensation wrote:
lol i had hotshot's stream in the background and he was playing full metal rammus and with the skinsounds i thought they decided to work @ a construction site at 9 pm

not sure what he's thinking though going tabis, sunfire cape, force of nature and 3 dorans shields.

Gotta have dat armour.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
September 24 2012 19:04 GMT
#3489
On September 25 2012 03:54 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 03:50 kongoline wrote:
can sombody write generic timers when to expect jungler ganking top assuming standard rout, wriaths+red >lvl2 gank or red + blue> lvl3 gank, i used to know this but after playing mid so for so long i just forgot.

always... they are always there



As long as you play safe, the jungler is somewhere else. As soon as you go for that one ranged creep, or just stay for one more wave, the jungler is suddenly there.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 24 2012 19:06 GMT
#3490
On September 25 2012 04:01 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 03:59 Flakes wrote:
On September 25 2012 03:54 Mogwai wrote:
On September 25 2012 03:50 kongoline wrote:
can sombody write generic timers when to expect jungler ganking top assuming standard rout, wriaths+red >lvl2 gank or red + blue> lvl3 gank, i used to know this but after playing mid so for so long i just forgot.

always... they are always there

I'm pretty sure some junglers, a few XP short of level 3, get lizard down to around half health and then go "WELL I THINK I'LL GANK TOP NOW" and head directly there.

dude, I know they do, uhg, top lane's the worst, I'm just gonna play AP Teemo mid from now on.


I will hate you forever
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 24 2012 19:09 GMT
#3491
On September 25 2012 04:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 04:01 Mogwai wrote:
On September 25 2012 03:59 Flakes wrote:
On September 25 2012 03:54 Mogwai wrote:
On September 25 2012 03:50 kongoline wrote:
can sombody write generic timers when to expect jungler ganking top assuming standard rout, wriaths+red >lvl2 gank or red + blue> lvl3 gank, i used to know this but after playing mid so for so long i just forgot.

always... they are always there

I'm pretty sure some junglers, a few XP short of level 3, get lizard down to around half health and then go "WELL I THINK I'LL GANK TOP NOW" and head directly there.

dude, I know they do, uhg, top lane's the worst, I'm just gonna play AP Teemo mid from now on.


I will hate you forever

lies, you'll still love me. don't hate the playa, hate the game.

also, it's already happening, you can check my match history :p.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
September 24 2012 19:13 GMT
#3492
On September 25 2012 03:50 kongoline wrote:
can sombody write generic timers when to expect jungler ganking top assuming standard rout, wriaths+red >lvl2 gank or red + blue> lvl3 gank, i used to know this but after playing mid so for so long i just forgot.


All the timings blend together in such a way that there's never a point where you are not in danger of being ganked. Until you have clear, incontrovertible evidence that the jungler is elsewhere you are not safe, you are never safe.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 24 2012 19:13 GMT
#3493
I call it Schodinger's Bush. The jungler is both there and not there until you put a ward in it.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
September 24 2012 19:15 GMT
#3494
Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander Schrödinger turns in his grave
cool beans
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
September 24 2012 19:17 GMT
#3495
On September 25 2012 04:15 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander Schrödinger possibly turns in his grave

fixed
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 24 2012 19:19 GMT
#3496
On September 25 2012 04:13 Gahlo wrote:
I call it Schodinger's Bush. The jungler is both there and not there until you put a ward in it.

at which point the jungler is there with oracles and kills your ward.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 24 2012 19:21 GMT
#3497
On September 25 2012 04:19 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 04:13 Gahlo wrote:
I call it Schodinger's Bush. The jungler is both there and not there until you put a ward in it.

at which point the jungler is there with oracles and kills your ward.

And then leaves to another lane.

+ Show Spoiler +
OR DOES HE
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 24 2012 19:22 GMT
#3498
The mind grapes are too strong
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 24 2012 19:22 GMT
#3499
another problem that gets solved by Teemo. man, Teemo is the answer to all my problems, I think I'm just going to play Teemo to Diamond (unless people continue to not ban Jayce, lol).
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
September 24 2012 19:22 GMT
#3500
On September 25 2012 03:20 TheYango wrote:
Logically speaking, if farm allocation is as fluid as you say it is, then the value of gp10 is contributing to the entire team's finances, because gold earned by the carrier could be allocated elsewhere. But that means that gp10 as a stat should be equally useful to everybody, which means either everybody should be buying them (as used to be the case when we had the really OP old HoG), or it's a stat not worth buying on anyone.

As it stands the logic of "only supports buy gp10" has no logical basis except for the case where farm distribution isn't as fluid as you claimed, and supports need gp10 for ward gold because teams won't give them enough farm for it.


Not necessarily true even if teams allocated farm more fluidly

1) Carries want as much farm as possible, so very rarely does it make sense to give up gold to support (exceptions include getting philo stone or after carry has max items). If it were possible (such as wc3/sc2), most of the time supports would choose to transfer the gold they have to carries.
2) gp10s give inferior stats, and item strength is multiplicative. getting PD + IE on two separate champs isn't nearly as effective as getting both on the same.
3) Carries clear faster, so it costs the team more time overall to allocate farm to supports.
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