[Patch 1.0.0.147: Syndra] General Discussion - Page 177

On September 24 2012 23:04 Zenithal wrote:

Oh hey look, gp10s again. Let's boil this down for the umpteen-millionth time.

Pro-gp10 outlook: give decent to good early game stats. Some are super cost effective (Philo) others not so much (HoG). They're good if you're going to be sitting in lane and farming instead of ever fighting or playing aggressively, since they give good laning stats like health, AP, and regen. Once they pay themselves off, which happens often in passive/longer games, they're good.

Anti-gp10 outlook: Bad to Horrid cost effectiveness outside of Philo. Take too long to pay themselves off, you can't trade in lane ever because the stats don't give enough to do so. Early game is too aggressive in most cases to ever be wothrwhile, only ever worth it if you're building something it builds out of later (DFG with Kage's or Bruta with Avarice).

I find myself in group 1, but I agree with group 2. I get them on champs that I'm going to be passive with (Bankplank, for example, some pure farm junglers though it's rare to play them, mids with weak early games where I'm not going to fight anyway), but wouldn't get them on lanes where I'm going to be fighting all the time (Riven or Darius for example, though I'll occasionally get HoG on either if they're being pansies and I can't fight at all).

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Speaking of Riven, she's gotten kind of forgotten about recently, but a good one knocked me on my ass the other day and I remembered how strong she really is. Need to get her back in top lane again.

On September 25 2012 05:38 JokerSan wrote:
I would stop building HoG on every single jungler if Randuins wasn't so OP.

On September 25 2012 04:46 TheYango wrote:

I don't agree with this though. It's a misconceived mentality that plagued DotA for years, until people finally figured out that support itemization is just as important as carry itemization. The carry needs more items to perform his role, but that doesn't make his item timings any stronger--you still want to line them up.


Multiplicative scaling only kicks in hard lategame though. With this huge trend toward midgame teamfighting carry selection, a lot of the relevant fighting occurs before multiplicative scaling really kicks in as an argument for stacking farm on carries (e.g. Ezzy or Corki fighting with just a Triforce). The high overall flat stat-gains of aura items can certainly outweigh that benefit throughout the midgame.

In a metagame dominated by 4+1 teamcomps like we had some time ago, I would agree, but 4+1 is hardly common anymore.


Depends on the support--a lot of the support pool actually has no problem at all clearing creep waves.

On September 25 2012 05:22 AsnSensation wrote:
Nashor's is indeed a good item on ap teemo, u reach max cdr with DFG and since his e hits with autos is really nice, depends on enemy teamcomp though both lichbane and nashors are viable.

http://lol.sadowl.com/

I didnt actually know all of them.

On September 25 2012 06:23 onlywonderboy wrote:
The fact the Head of Kha'Zix gives full stacks right away seems particularly strong. If it just made it so Rengar didn't lose any of his already earned stacks upon death, that would seem more fair. Then again, that 4th evolutionary point is pretty strong on Kha'Zix. I'm really torn about this. This has the potential to affect the meta in a really interesting way. Think about champion select, deciding whether or not you want to pick Kha'Zix if they already have Rengar and the strategy involved there. Or more likely this will lead to one of the two being banned every game. But we have a while before this affects the competitive scene, considering Regar has a permaban at the World Championship

On September 25 2012 06:26 Doctorbeat wrote:


What I'm most angry about is that since November 2011 the number of bans has been 3/side, when the champion pool has expanded massively.

On September 25 2012 06:19 Requizen wrote:
I dunno. It'll be strong, sure, but I think it adds another layer of depth. Do you choose one champ into another and try to make your ally super strong? Do you ban out Rengar in case your Kha'Zix gets shut down and Rengar goes legendary? Later on, you can get nifty teamfights where you try to single out Kha'Zix to get Rengar his item, fun stuff like that.

It'll happen in like, 5% of games if that, leave it in imo.

On September 25 2012 06:14 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Morello seems to be supporting it:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=29592614#post29592614

On September 25 2012 06:39 Seuss wrote:

Imagine if Udyr got another skill point for fighting Lee Sin at level 18 to establish martial arts supremacy; it sounds really impressive until you realize how little it actually impacts anything.

On September 25 2012 06:42 UniversalSnip wrote:


Goddamn that is lame.

Haven't they hired anyone from mtg? This is like a classic example of what not to do. The example they typically use is something like

3RR
Creature - Dragon
Flying
Can't attack if opponent has a knight.
6/6

It's flavorful, it's cool to read, but it's terrible design because the condition is such a corner case.]



Wow that's even worse. These things need a reason to be in the game or we could just go down the list and draw up dozens of corner cases between champions. They already have interesting mechanical interactions, they're called abilities.