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Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
September 24 2012 21:48 GMT
#3541
Isn't this approaching into the territory of more burden of knowledge though? I remember quite well them talking about how much extra burden it adds to new players with the upfront information they need. While the interaction is nice and the extra power it gives each champion is nice, this gives way for future interactions and suddenly there's 20+ interactions between so many champions people get lost. Is it fine as a one of? Probably, but not as a continuing thread.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22697 Posts
September 24 2012 21:52 GMT
#3542
They have the buff that Volibear gets when zillian is in the game. Thats fun and does nothing. why cant they do something like that instead.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
September 24 2012 21:55 GMT
#3543
On September 25 2012 06:31 Diamond wrote:
Just curious if any TL'ers know of regular Asian tournaments/leagues with little to no English coverage (doing some research atm for a project)?

So far I got NiceGameTV, StarsWar League, and GArena. Is that seriously all 0_O?

Tencent Games Carnival/Prix, CyberAthlete Professional League (CPL), Tristana Tt Cup
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
September 24 2012 21:56 GMT
#3544
The exchange between deman and slasher on twitter is just glorious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 24 2012 22:01 GMT
#3545
Can # of bans become gp10 tier discussion?
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 22:15:07
September 24 2012 22:11 GMT
#3546
On September 25 2012 07:01 Gahlo wrote:
Can # of bans become gp10 tier discussion?


We've had both things mentioned today. Should consider starting a conversation about armpen versus flat ad reds.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
September 24 2012 22:18 GMT
#3547
On September 25 2012 06:56 nojitosunrise wrote:
The exchange between deman and slasher on twitter is just glorious.


Link?
whole lies with a half smile
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 24 2012 22:18 GMT
#3548
On September 25 2012 07:11 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 07:01 Gahlo wrote:
Can # of bans become gp10 tier discussion?


We've had both things mentioned today. Should consider starting a conversation about armpen versus flat ad reds.

If we're going down that road, guys who hates Yorick? I do, does anyone else?
It's your boy Guzma!
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 24 2012 22:20 GMT
#3549
On September 25 2012 06:31 Diamond wrote:
Just curious if any TL'ers know of regular Asian tournaments/leagues with little to no English coverage (doing some research atm for a project)?

So far I got NiceGameTV, StarsWar League, and GArena. Is that seriously all 0_O?



in korea is a pc bang tournament and last month was another tournament for amateurs with no stream coverage.

Happy Birthday
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 22:26:00
September 24 2012 22:21 GMT
#3550
On September 25 2012 06:34 onlywonderboy wrote:
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On September 25 2012 06:26 Doctorbeat wrote:
On September 25 2012 06:23 onlywonderboy wrote:
The fact the Head of Kha'Zix gives full stacks right away seems particularly strong. If it just made it so Rengar didn't lose any of his already earned stacks upon death, that would seem more fair. Then again, that 4th evolutionary point is pretty strong on Kha'Zix. I'm really torn about this. This has the potential to affect the meta in a really interesting way. Think about champion select, deciding whether or not you want to pick Kha'Zix if they already have Rengar and the strategy involved there. Or more likely this will lead to one of the two being banned every game. But we have a while before this affects the competitive scene, considering Regar has a permaban at the World Championship


What I'm most angry about is that since November 2011 the number of bans has been 3/side, when the champion pool has expanded massively.

I agree 100% that the number of picks and bans should be increased. I would actually prefer if they changed over to the Dota 2 style draft mode. Damn you Riot and your conviction to the casual audience influencing your decisions about high level play.


Riot has posted that they'd rather have the gameplay in the game rather than make a convoluted draft where teams autolose because of rock-paper-scissors picking. As a result they're happy with the majority of bans being OP champ bans (ali/malph/etc) with just a few strategic or respect bans.

Not saying they're right but don't get your hopes up. Maybe S4...
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
September 24 2012 22:24 GMT
#3551
On September 25 2012 06:42 UniversalSnip wrote:
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On September 25 2012 06:14 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Morello seems to be supporting it:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=29592614#post29592614


Goddamn that is lame.

Haven't they hired anyone from mtg? This is like a classic example of what not to do. The example they typically use is something like

3RR
Creature - Dragon
Flying
Can't attack if opponent has a knight.
6/6

It's flavorful, it's cool to read, but it's terrible design because the condition is such a corner case.]

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 06:39 Seuss wrote:
On September 25 2012 06:19 Requizen wrote:
I dunno. It'll be strong, sure, but I think it adds another layer of depth. Do you choose one champ into another and try to make your ally super strong? Do you ban out Rengar in case your Kha'Zix gets shut down and Rengar goes legendary? Later on, you can get nifty teamfights where you try to single out Kha'Zix to get Rengar his item, fun stuff like that.

It'll happen in like, 5% of games if that, leave it in imo.

Imagine if Udyr got another skill point for fighting Lee Sin at level 18 to establish martial arts supremacy; it sounds really impressive until you realize how little it actually impacts anything.


Wow that's even worse. These things need a reason to be in the game or we could just go down the list and draw up dozens of corner cases between champions. They already have interesting mechanical interactions, they're called abilities.


My point wasn't to suggest that Udyr should get an additional skill point for fighting Lee Sin, but to provide a comparative situation which appears, at first, to have a greater impact than it actually does. That skill point sounds like it would be overpowered, until you realize:
  • If Udyr is 18 the game is almost certainly past the mid-game, Udyr's high-power point.
  • Udyr can only keep three stances up at a time, so he's going to end up putting this skill point in a stance he'll rarely use.
  • Practically speaking, even if we look only at games where Udyr gets his additional skill point (which will be less than 0.01% of games), 99% of the time that extra point won't even change the outcome.

The terribleness of your MTG card's design isn't that it's a corner-case, but that the corner-case completely eliminates approximately half the card's value when it applies and is the sole interesting aspect of the card. You're gravely overestimating the Rengar/Kha'zix rivalry if you believe it has remotely similar impact.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
September 24 2012 22:29 GMT
#3552
Far too much over-reaction on an interaction that won't happen nearly as often as people think it will and isn't nearly as strong as people believe it to be. I guess it gives them something to complain about at least.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
September 24 2012 22:35 GMT
#3553
On September 25 2012 06:39 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 06:19 Requizen wrote:
I dunno. It'll be strong, sure, but I think it adds another layer of depth. Do you choose one champ into another and try to make your ally super strong? Do you ban out Rengar in case your Kha'Zix gets shut down and Rengar goes legendary? Later on, you can get nifty teamfights where you try to single out Kha'Zix to get Rengar his item, fun stuff like that.

It'll happen in like, 5% of games if that, leave it in imo.


It's nifty, but ultimately not all that game-changing. We've already discussed how the benefits of evolved W and evolved R are both highly situational, and almost any game where Rengar effectively gains more than 6 stacks from Kha'zix isn't a game where that's going to turn everything around.

Imagine if Udyr got another skill point for fighting Lee Sin at level 18 to establish martial arts supremacy; it sounds really impressive until you realize how little it actually impacts anything.


Does Lee Sin get his sight back if he wins? Maybe you can give him a permanent Oracles that doesn't go away when he dies.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 22:48:12
September 24 2012 22:47 GMT
#3554
Riot forever with horrible decision making on how to balance new champions. The point of snowball items is that there's a significant inherent risk that goes along with dying.

This is never going to end well.
twitch.tv/cratonz
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
September 24 2012 22:47 GMT
#3555
OMG Hotshot isn't going to stream the scrims, I was so excited about it too.... ;(
Best Teemo World
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 24 2012 22:49 GMT
#3556
i was literally staying awake to watch one clg scrim because they streamed them yesterday so sad right now, w/e must also feel kinda bad having to turn your stream off with 20k viewer, dat moneyz
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
September 24 2012 22:58 GMT
#3557
Is it normal to have to attempt to log in to US 3-10 times? Is there anything I can do to fix this?
Moderator
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
September 24 2012 23:08 GMT
#3558
On September 25 2012 07:58 Chill wrote:
Is it normal to have to attempt to log in to US 3-10 times? Is there anything I can do to fix this?


This client version has been buggy as hell. It's not common, but for the most recent patches it is. Bug splats so much you can't see out your windshield.
Hey! How you doin'?
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
September 24 2012 23:11 GMT
#3559
On September 25 2012 07:18 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 06:56 nojitosunrise wrote:
The exchange between deman and slasher on twitter is just glorious.


Link?




Joe miller also steps in at some point.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
September 24 2012 23:12 GMT
#3560
At times I feel like chimpanzees program this game and not human beings.
Cackle™
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