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On September 13 2012 05:20 Zhiroo wrote:
Just got destroyed by a LB + Taric bot lane. LB would just jump me silence and then use the root thing and Taric would follow up with stun so I couldn't shift or flash out. Anyone ever seen that combo? I felt so helpless.
Play the most passive, scared as shit AD carry in the universe. Hopefully you have a support with sustain. Chug pots, collect CS. If LB isn't keeping up with you in CS, and you don't die MANY MANY times, you will be fine later on in teamfights, even if you were freaking miserable in the laning phase. Ultraganking that lane with mid+jungle might also work well (since they're being so aggressive)
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On September 13 2012 05:23 AwayFromLife wrote:Guys What if there was a champ that had 2 dashes, a ranged nuke, team utility, a knockback, a shield, some sustain and resistances, an execute mechanic, an AoE semi-nuke, an AoE slow, built in AS steroid, and didn't worry about mana? Man, that kit'd be really bullshit. + Show Spoiler +
At least you got me to laugh. :D
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Draven and Garen: most underrated champs or most underrated champs? Draven's early and mid game are so, so, so sick good, and then regen Garen is -.-
I used to laugh seeing them on the loading screen, but a good one will now make me cry cry.
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On September 13 2012 05:38 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:23 AwayFromLife wrote:Guys What if there was a champ that had 2 dashes, a ranged nuke, team utility, a knockback, a shield, some sustain and resistances, an execute mechanic, an AoE semi-nuke, an AoE slow, built in AS steroid, and didn't worry about mana? Man, that kit'd be really bullshit. + Show Spoiler + At least you got me to laugh. :D
who is it? my guesses+ Show Spoiler +was orignally riven but i'm thinking jayce now?
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On September 13 2012 04:09 TheYango wrote:
The one mode this game needs to have is something like the custom modified DotA map "Legends of DotA".
Basically you get a small random pool of heroes, but instead of drafting heroes, you draft 3 regular abilities, an ultimate (and in LoL, a passive), and a hero model (which you also derive the base stats for this custom hero from).
Was the most insane custom game ever because you these super wonky characters like a carry that has 3 passives all for lategame/farming (Faceless dodge, Spectre damage reflect, Alchemist bonus gold, Alchemist ultimate, for example).
Alistar headbutt, blitz grab, naut hook, lee r. I call him captain pinball.
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On September 13 2012 05:43 wussleeQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:38 wei2coolman wrote:On September 13 2012 05:23 AwayFromLife wrote:Guys What if there was a champ that had 2 dashes, a ranged nuke, team utility, a knockback, a shield, some sustain and resistances, an execute mechanic, an AoE semi-nuke, an AoE slow, built in AS steroid, and didn't worry about mana? Man, that kit'd be really bullshit. + Show Spoiler + At least you got me to laugh. :D who is it? my guesses + Show Spoiler +was orignally riven but i'm thinking jayce now?
You're blind.
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On September 13 2012 05:42 Requizen wrote:
Draven and Garen: most underrated champs or most underrated champs? Draven's early and mid game are so, so, so sick good, and then regen Garen is -.-
I used to laugh seeing them on the loading screen, but a good one will now make me cry cry.
Garen sucks really hard. I won't believe anything to the contrary until I see it.
Draven faceplants if he doesn't snowball but dear lord do they seem to snowball from time to time. I don't play that stupid lane so I never really know what's happening and can't make a call for myself but he seems to be a real feast or famine character.
On September 13 2012 05:43 wussleeQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:38 wei2coolman wrote:On September 13 2012 05:23 AwayFromLife wrote:Guys What if there was a champ that had 2 dashes, a ranged nuke, team utility, a knockback, a shield, some sustain and resistances, an execute mechanic, an AoE semi-nuke, an AoE slow, built in AS steroid, and didn't worry about mana? Man, that kit'd be really bullshit. + Show Spoiler + At least you got me to laugh. :D who is it? my guesses + Show Spoiler +was orignally riven but i'm thinking jayce now?
...+ Show Spoiler +
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On September 13 2012 05:49 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:43 wussleeQ wrote:On September 13 2012 05:38 wei2coolman wrote:On September 13 2012 05:23 AwayFromLife wrote:Guys What if there was a champ that had 2 dashes, a ranged nuke, team utility, a knockback, a shield, some sustain and resistances, an execute mechanic, an AoE semi-nuke, an AoE slow, built in AS steroid, and didn't worry about mana? Man, that kit'd be really bullshit. + Show Spoiler + At least you got me to laugh. :D who is it? my guesses + Show Spoiler +was orignally riven but i'm thinking jayce now? You're blind.
OH THE PUNS
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If I had to make some super OP champ for that game mode it'd be something like
Cait base
Corki passive
Vayne silver bolts
Riven Shield
Jax Counter Strike
Ahri Ult
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On September 13 2012 05:43 wussleeQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:38 wei2coolman wrote:On September 13 2012 05:23 AwayFromLife wrote:Guys What if there was a champ that had 2 dashes, a ranged nuke, team utility, a knockback, a shield, some sustain and resistances, an execute mechanic, an AoE semi-nuke, an AoE slow, built in AS steroid, and didn't worry about mana? Man, that kit'd be really bullshit. + Show Spoiler + At least you got me to laugh. :D who is it? my guesses + Show Spoiler +was orignally riven but i'm thinking jayce now?
He is talking about Lee Sin (Riven doesn't have resistances and sustain, Jayce doesn't have execute mechanic and does have mana), and I used to make posts exactly like the original one. I understand you can't just look purely at the "toolbox" so to speak without taking it in context of the whole champ, but still. I am not even qualified to call him OP so I won't.
AND YET, Lee Sin just gets so many bonuses on his abilities that don't even need to be there for him to be a complete champ. Just doesn't make sense to me why he needed, say, a sizable armor boost on an ability that already gives him a shield and sustain. Or an AoE attack speed debuff when it is an AoE nuke, reveal, and MS slow already.
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honestly I'll take Jayce mana management over Lee sin's energy.
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Well that's why he's gotten nerfed so many times...
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This is fun. Do you think its more effective to stack a single type of ability or to make a balanced champ?
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Has any team tried aegis stacking before? Like bruiser, jungler, support all getting aegis?
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On September 13 2012 05:57 petered wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:43 wussleeQ wrote:On September 13 2012 05:38 wei2coolman wrote:On September 13 2012 05:23 AwayFromLife wrote:Guys What if there was a champ that had 2 dashes, a ranged nuke, team utility, a knockback, a shield, some sustain and resistances, an execute mechanic, an AoE semi-nuke, an AoE slow, built in AS steroid, and didn't worry about mana? Man, that kit'd be really bullshit. + Show Spoiler + At least you got me to laugh. :D who is it? my guesses + Show Spoiler +was orignally riven but i'm thinking jayce now? He is talking about Lee Sin (Riven doesn't have resistances and sustain, Jayce doesn't have execute mechanic and does have mana), and I used to make posts exactly like the original one. I understand you can't just look purely at the "toolbox" so to speak without taking it in context of the whole champ, but still. I am not even qualified to call him OP so I won't. AND YET, Lee Sin just gets so many bonuses on his abilities that don't even need to be there for him to be a complete champ. Just doesn't make sense to me why he needed, say, a sizable armor boost on an ability that already gives him a shield and sustain. Or an AoE attack speed debuff when it is an AoE nuke, reveal, and MS slow already.
So what does make him "fall off" lategame? I agree that it seems to be the case, but I've never been able to determine why on paper. Because he's got good base damage on his abilities but, being melee, has to build tanky and so does a lot less damage and suffer from his E lacking range, kinda like Maokai falls off because he deals a lot less damage?
Also, which runes/masteries would you run for a jungle AP Evelyn? The build would prob be something like boots+3 -> double ring -> kage -> dfg.
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On September 13 2012 06:01 Slusher wrote:
honestly I'll take Jayce mana management over Lee sin's energy.
Lee barely has to think about energy as long as you punch shit while trying to kill them, no problems ever. But yeah, Jayce has sick good mana management.
On September 13 2012 06:01 Terranasaur wrote:
This is fun. Do you think its more effective to stack a single type of ability or to make a balanced champ?
All CC or all nuke, be manmode.
Edit: Lee only slightly "falls off" imo, his damage doesn't scale (because you're going more tanky), but he can still crush a squishy, and his utility and tankiness are nothing to scoff at by a long shot. He can still get in and disrupt, peel for allies, and semi-initiate/counter initiate with positioning and R.
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On September 13 2012 06:01 Terranasaur wrote:
This is fun. Do you think its more effective to stack a single type of ability or to make a balanced champ?
Rounded if pubs, lopsided if solo.
In the DotA version of the game, it wasn't uncommon to see a hard carry that has 4 passives/steroids/farming abilities that are literally dead weight early game but have the most monstrous lategame imaginable.
Also:
Mark of the Storm
DBC
Defile
Valkyrie
Ravenous Flock
Best part is that you could probably jungle insanely fast with this skill selection, and take like no damage because you're constantly stun-proccing every jungle creep, lol.
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On September 13 2012 05:42 Requizen wrote:
Draven and Garen: most underrated champs or most underrated champs? Draven's early and mid game are so, so, so sick good, and then regen Garen is -.-
I used to laugh seeing them on the loading screen, but a good one will now make me cry cry.
Yeah dravens really sick if you can't dive onto him because if you can't perma as/ms steriod as well as huge truck damage if you keep axes spinning is pretty crazy.
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On September 13 2012 06:07 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 06:01 Slusher wrote:
honestly I'll take Jayce mana management over Lee sin's energy. Lee barely has to think about energy as long as you punch shit while trying to kill them, no problems ever. But yeah, Jayce has sick good mana management. Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 06:01 Terranasaur wrote:
This is fun. Do you think its more effective to stack a single type of ability or to make a balanced champ?
All CC or all nuke, be manmode.
I was thinking all steroid.
Riven Passive
Sion E
Yi E
Cho Spikes
Vayne Ult
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On September 13 2012 05:50 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:42 Requizen wrote:
Draven and Garen: most underrated champs or most underrated champs? Draven's early and mid game are so, so, so sick good, and then regen Garen is -.-
I used to laugh seeing them on the loading screen, but a good one will now make me cry cry. Garen sucks really hard. I won't believe anything to the contrary until I see it. Draven faceplants if he doesn't snowball but dear lord do they seem to snowball from time to time. I don't play that stupid lane so I never really know what's happening and can't make a call for myself but he seems to be a real feast or famine character.
Draven's lane phase is honestly overrated on TL imo. Sure he has a lot of damage in lane. He has really good base stats too. But the only reason he gets fed in lane is because his opponents are either really bad or just aren't used to him since he's underplayed. If there's a sleeper OP AD carry I think it's either Varus or Ashe whenever people stop being bad and re-learn how to play an AD carry that requires you to plan ahead instead of using an escape skill as a crutch for bad positioning.
Not to say that Draven is horrible but I don't see what he brings to the team that other ADs don't do better.
I think we'll see a lot of AD carry players trying out new champs in professional tournaments after or during S3 finals. Leading up to it people are playing Ez/Corki/Graves because it doesn't really reveal anything to opponents and because it's super safe. Won't be able to play safe at S3 finals and after it's over I think a lot of teams will want to try new shit out.
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