EPTThe problem is that an AP mid with Deathcap is WAY more powerful than you with IE. You won't carry until a breakpoint in the game which your power finally gets ahead.
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
The problem is that an AP mid with Deathcap is WAY more powerful than you with IE. You won't carry until a breakpoint in the game which your power finally gets ahead. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:10 Sufficiency wrote: At high Elo perhaps. The bottom lane is not very suspectable to counterpicking, so even if you are always FP you won't put yourself at a disadvantage. I feel that at low Elo people throw way too hard. Got 0-4 in early game? GG AFK. As ADC it's sometimes hard to even reach the stage in game that you can actually carry. theres no difference between high and low elo when it comes to throwing, also there is basically no counterpicking for ADCs except for vayne. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:24 zulu_nation8 wrote: theres no difference between high and low elo when it comes to throwing, also there is basically no counterpicking for ADCs except for vayne. I disagree. A lot of less skilled players really cannot cope with a lane that is losing. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:24 Sufficiency wrote: The problem is that an AP mid with Deathcap is WAY more powerful than you with IE. You won't carry until a breakpoint in the game which your power finally gets ahead. Yeah but if you stay alive and clean up a teamfight then you can win the game alone later on while the AP carry can't.. It's all tradeoffs. You can't have the best of everything. You can't be powerful at all points of the game, but you can play better than the opposition at all points of the game. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
Maybe i'm just too low ELO to really judge him, but he seems to have insane sustain with W, insane burst with his auto-attack resetting Q, built-in offensive flash, invisibility ult on a short CD, snowball item, ... Even if you get into a bad situation, you can just fight to 5 ferocity, heal 15% with W, Ult and get another 15% heal + MS&Stealth escape. He feels like a mix of Mundo sustain, Eve stealth and Shyvana attack with the best of each champion and none of the drawbacks. I'm just not so sure on itemization. I feel like merc boots against CC Frozen Mallet for additional chasing power and survivability Ghostblade because CDR&ArPen&Steroid feels great on him Bonetooth necklace somewhere in between, i feel after boots and phage is the best time After that maybe semi-tanky with a Maw or Atmas Maxing R>W>Q>E also feels like the best way to go with a token point on E at level 4. His W has the highest damage increase per level and who can say no to a ton of free Armor and MRes. At level 2 it does almost the same (-10) damage as Q on level 5 and it's AoE. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:24 Sufficiency wrote: The problem is that an AP mid with Deathcap is WAY more powerful than you with IE. You won't carry until a breakpoint in the game which your power finally gets ahead. AD with IE should deal a lot more damage than AP with deathcap since your damage isnt cooldown based. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:28 zulu_nation8 wrote: AD with IE should deal a lot more damage than AP with deathcap since your damage isnt cooldown based. Most fights at low ELO last about 5 seconds because everyone is in a big ball and AoE trashes everything. An AD carry with good escape can carry the game but i think a good AP carry can snowball a lot harder and decide the game in the first few minutes. Note that players at least at my (1150) ELO don't have the coordination or skill to organize a comeback. The team that snowballs hardest always wins. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
StVicious rage quits after going 1-4 npnp, rest of team afks as shake picks up the 15 min win lewl | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:28 zulu_nation8 wrote: AD with IE should deal a lot more damage than AP with deathcap since your damage isnt cooldown based. DPS-wise yes but the AP will burst the AD carry 100-0 far more readily than the AD carry can 100-0 the AP carry. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:27 Slayer91 wrote: Yeah but if you stay alive and clean up a teamfight then you can win the game alone later on while the AP carry can't.. It's all tradeoffs. You can't have the best of everything. You can't be powerful at all points of the game, but you can play better than the opposition at all points of the game. It's not just different times in the game, it's also different kinds of damage. APs tend to be bursty. ADs do not. Of course 1v1 the AP will win if he lands everything but if he misses it's much more up in the air even though the AD carry is technically weaker. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:32 Slusher wrote: so doing what I do on new champion day, browse featured games for the new champ. Oh heres a game with Shake, and StVicious playing Ragnar, sounds perfect StVicious rage quits after going 1-4 npnp, rest of team afks as shake picks up the 15 min win lewl Crs Saintvicious @CrsStvicious Well was gonna stream the. Got ddos time to set up proxy | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:34 Lmui wrote: DPS-wise yes but the AP will burst the AD carry 100-0 far more readily than the AD carry can 100-0 the AP carry. obviously you shouldnt die to the AP then | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
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Fed AP Mid? Don't put yourself in burst damager and focus on picking people off during the CD grace period. Fed AD Carry? Find a way to keep them zoned. Etc. At the end of the day, you can't change other people's play. So what you need to do is focus on what your own play can do to win the game. DLift never gets stuck in "Elo Hell" playing AD. He must be doing something right. The same goes for many other players such as Chauster or Stanley. It's not always about doing the so-called "optimal play". It's about making the plays that are correct for the Elo Bracket you are in. For example, if they can't defend 4v5 under tower, then don't splitpush even if it's the correct play to make. You can't change other people. So change yourself. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Moonbear never actually plays this game but somehow seems to know the deal l0l. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:It's not always about doing the so-called "optimal play". It's about making the plays that are correct for the Elo Bracket you are in. This. Very much this. Too many people try to emulate strats or ideas they see from higher players... the problem being that your enemy or your team might not react properly to it and what should be optimal turns out considerably less than that. One of the most important strats is the ability to pull and freeze your lane. However, if you aren't able to zone their champ while you do it and your jungeler is too stupid to abuse it; it might be time to change tactics. I know some people don't like to "abuse" people who are worse than them. They feel like using cheesy strats is stupid. Opening Dblade as top lane and just going all in for level 1 or 2 kills... stuff like that. Do it until you reach an elo where people are smart enough to stop it or punish you. Then improve your game. You can't get actual practice with strategies or gameplay if you're just that much better than your lane opponent to begin with. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On August 22 2012 07:43 Slayer91 wrote: ". It's not always about doing the so-called "optimal play". It's about making the plays that are correct for the Elo Bracket you are in. For example, if they can't defend 4v5 under tower, then don't splitpush even if it's the correct play to make. You can't change other people. So change yourself." Moonbear never actually plays this game but somehow seems to know the deal l0l. That's cuz he's the omniscient TL wrenchie. Can't fuck with that | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
They didn't manage to kill me so I destroyed him later as he didn't build tanky enough tho (Udyr top so retarded in midgame when he gets farmed). | ||
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