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On August 21 2012 03:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wriggles a lot cheaper and shyv scales off of AD better than AS. Plus wriggles lets you solo dragon.
Dragon solos are bottlenecked much more by map control/ward coverage than by when the jungler becomes capable of Dragon soloing.
And I disagree with Shyvana scaling better with AD than AS. She has 2 spells that benefit from AD at pretty average ratios, whereas by virtue of her passive(s), her entire kit benefits from AS.
If she really benefitted from AD more than AS, the Wit's would not be the core damage item of choice for her.
On August 21 2012 03:14 Doctorbeat wrote:
Wriggle's proc is very good for buffs/drag/baron though, and the free wards add up too.
I think it's mostly a matter of preference.
For like the 5th time, Wriggle's procs only translate into faster Dragon/Baron/etc. if you're doing them solo. Which pretty much never happens anymore. If your teammates are involved in helping you do them, the attack speed aura translates into more Dragon/Baron speed than Wriggle's procs.
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On August 21 2012 03:18 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 03:14 Doctorbeat wrote:
Wriggle's proc is very good for buffs/drag/baron though, and the free wards add up too.
I think it's mostly a matter of preference. For like the 5th time, Wriggle's procs only translate into faster Dragon/Baron/etc. if you're doing them solo. Which pretty much never happens anymore. If your teammates are involved in helping you do them, the attack speed aura translates into more Dragon/Baron speed than Wriggle's procs.
So there's only the free wards bit left over and the fact that Zeke's is 500 gold more expensive.
I've tried Zeke's first jungle on Olaf before, and that guy scales even better with AS/CDR/Lifesteal, but it just felt like you would get your first item too late.
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Her E is like a free 39 AD for her autos.
Wits end is also another free 42 AD it's probably better for damage than like 70 AD or something.
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On August 21 2012 03:24 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 03:18 TheYango wrote:On August 21 2012 03:14 Doctorbeat wrote:
Wriggle's proc is very good for buffs/drag/baron though, and the free wards add up too.
I think it's mostly a matter of preference. For like the 5th time, Wriggle's procs only translate into faster Dragon/Baron/etc. if you're doing them solo. Which pretty much never happens anymore. If your teammates are involved in helping you do them, the attack speed aura translates into more Dragon/Baron speed than Wriggle's procs. So there's only the free wards bit left over and the fact that Zeke's is 500 gold more expensive. I've tried Zeke's first jungle on Olaf before, and that guy scales even better with AS/CDR/Lifesteal, but it just felt like you would get your first item too late.
Zeke's first on Jungle Olaf makes no sense because in the jungle your first major bottleneck as Olaf is getting the mana regen to sustain Q usage on camps. Plus the fact that Shurelya's uses Kindlegem way better for Olaf (which is not relevant to Shyvana because she has no mana).
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Live2Win
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OMG NUNU TOP ON THE REAPARD STREAM ALKFJEOIAJKFL
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On August 21 2012 03:31 Live2Win wrote:
OMG NUNU TOP ON THE REAPARD STREAM ALKFJEOIAJKFL
Wrong nunu top 
Starts with boots 3 healthpots.
Also lvl 1 snowball if i saw correctly.
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Free champ rotation: Annie, Kassadin, Diana, Singed, Galio, Nunu, Miss Fortune, Xin zhao, Janna, Twisted Fate
This week: people trying to be a Man and dying, no Gold Cards to be seen, and Kassadin lock ins every game because he's OP.
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Is Reapered in the Curse house?
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On August 21 2012 03:33 Requizen wrote:
Free champ rotation: Annie, Kassadin, Diana, Singed, Galio, Nunu, Miss Fortune, Xin zhao, Janna, Twisted Fate
This week: people trying to be a Man and dying, no Gold Cards to be seen, and Kassadin lock ins every game because he's OP.
More like Diana's still going to be banned every game 
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On August 21 2012 03:34 xes wrote:
Is Reapered in the Curse house?
No, no he is not.
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Damn that Nunu's build is pretty bad. No armor and 2 drings against an Irelia. Though Reapered is also playing pretty damn good.
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On August 21 2012 03:42 Doctorbeat wrote:
Damn that Nunu's build is pretty bad. No armor and 2 drings against an Irelia. Though Reapered is also playing pretty damn good.
For whatever it's worth, that matchup is 100% unwinnable if the Irelia is good. Irelia is so horribly underrated right now.
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On August 21 2012 03:44 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 03:42 Doctorbeat wrote:
Damn that Nunu's build is pretty bad. No armor and 2 drings against an Irelia. Though Reapered is also playing pretty damn good. For whatever it's worth, that matchup is 100% unwinnable if the Irelia is good. Irelia is so horribly underrated right now.
That's definitely true. She's seeing way less playtime when she's still oh so strong. I still play her regularly and even on my level of horrible (1400 elo) once you learn the combo to get as much auto's in with W on, you destroy people. And she's one of the strongest anticarries in the game.
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On August 21 2012 03:44 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 03:42 Doctorbeat wrote:
Damn that Nunu's build is pretty bad. No armor and 2 drings against an Irelia. Though Reapered is also playing pretty damn good. For whatever it's worth, that matchup is 100% unwinnable if the Irelia is good. Irelia is so horribly underrated right now.
Yup. That matchup so bad :l. It always seems though, that irelia is underrated lol.
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it's almost like 75 true damage/auto attack with a refreshing CD dash (that's base 6 sec CD anyway) and built in tenacity is going to be absurdly strong no matter what else you hit on the character...
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On August 21 2012 03:44 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 03:42 Doctorbeat wrote:
Damn that Nunu's build is pretty bad. No armor and 2 drings against an Irelia. Though Reapered is also playing pretty damn good. For whatever it's worth, that matchup is 100% unwinnable if the Irelia is good. Irelia is so horribly underrated right now.
I never really underrate Irelia, and it baffles me why people do. She hasn't had any major changes other than the hit to Hiten Style on Lulu patch and some base stat buffs since last year. Her kit has always been one of the strongest, her laning is pretty fucking good, and she doesn't really fall off too hard late game.
Reapered playing multitasking game makes me feel inadequate as a gamer
I was trying to figure out what the fuck was wrong with his champ list, and then I thought "oh right, Hangul". I dumb.
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On August 21 2012 03:33 Requizen wrote:
Free champ rotation: Annie, Kassadin, Diana, Singed, Galio, Nunu, Miss Fortune, Xin zhao, Janna, Twisted Fate
This week: people trying to be a Man and dying, no Gold Cards to be seen, and Kassadin lock ins every game because he's OP.
It's really not that hard to do well with Xin imo. Everything he has helps him a lot to do good in trades and be relevant in team fights.
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On August 21 2012 03:53 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 03:44 Mogwai wrote:On August 21 2012 03:42 Doctorbeat wrote:
Damn that Nunu's build is pretty bad. No armor and 2 drings against an Irelia. Though Reapered is also playing pretty damn good. For whatever it's worth, that matchup is 100% unwinnable if the Irelia is good. Irelia is so horribly underrated right now. I never really underrate Irelia, and it baffles me why people do. She hasn't had any major changes other than the hit to Hiten Style on Lulu patch and some base stat buffs since last year. Her kit has always been one of the strongest, her laning is pretty fucking good, and she doesn't really fall off too hard late game. Reapered playing multitasking game makes me feel inadequate as a gamer I was trying to figure out what the fuck was wrong with his champ list, and then I thought "oh right, Hangul". I dumb.
Is there a stronger lategame top than Irelia? Besides Jax?
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On August 21 2012 03:33 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 03:31 Live2Win wrote:
OMG NUNU TOP ON THE REAPARD STREAM ALKFJEOIAJKFL Wrong nunu top Starts with boots 3 healthpots. Also lvl 1 snowball if i saw correctly.
yeah I was sorely disappointed
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