EPT[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 68
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
http://twitch.tv/reapered | ||
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Celial
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On August 21 2012 01:56 Slayer91 wrote: Double dorans shield wits end shyv king shyv. Queen. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On August 21 2012 01:58 nojitosunrise wrote: AZUBU Reapered is streaming O.o http://twitch.tv/reapered Oh my god reapered streams?! | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 21 2012 01:54 TheYango wrote: And with regard to Wriggle's being a pseudo-gp10 item, I don't think a stalled out lategame is where Shyvana is most effective. Her teamfighting is most powerful midgame off of her high baseline damage and free flat survivability steroid. She has minimal CC/gap closing ability and doesn't have powerful scaling in any form, so there's no particular advantage for her to play for a long game. The high immediate power spike in teamfighting effectiveness from having a cost-effective aura item is much more suited to her game plan than buying a pseudo-gp10 and stalling the game for it to generate gold. The pseudo gp10 quality of Wriggle's is also fairly overrated. In the first place it's not actually generating gold, it's generating an item that would have cost gold. If you weren't going to buy a ward every three minutes in the first place you aren't really gaining/saving gold. Second, it costs twice as much as any gp10 item for only 4gp10 (assuming perfect timing, which isn't always realistic). That's not to say that a free ward every 3 minutes is bad, but that it tends to be overvalued. On August 21 2012 01:56 MooMooMugi wrote: Didn't someone say Doran-Phage is more better use of gold on Shyvana than Wriggles? She has a 43.75% chance to proc Phage on her Q, and can proc it on multiple people simultaneously when in Dragon form depending on luck/positioning. Phage/Frozen Mallet is extremely good on Shyvana. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 Also, Talon king of splitpush. It's not the first game I do that, but it's always surprising to be able to tell myself "Well, I failed in lane and can't really 1v1 nor assassinate anybody, so I'll just nuke down towers with my 3s cd additionnal 200 damage that resets my aa timer". | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
Fuck yeah! | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Also roam Jayce too stronk | ||
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Sven Stryker
United States423 Posts
On August 21 2012 02:52 Requizen wrote: Also roam Jayce too stronk Wish I knew the runes&masteries for Lustboy's roam support Jayce now. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 21 2012 02:52 Requizen wrote: Double shield Vlad wut Also roam Jayce too stronk Double shield is needed on some lanes~ for vlad. he has call me maybe playing in the background >.> | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 21 2012 01:56 MooMooMugi wrote: Didn't someone say Doran-Phage is more better use of gold on Shyvana than Wriggles? I think the core assumption for getting Wriggle's is that Shyvana wants at least a Vamp Scepter's worth of sustain, and that Wriggle's builds smoothly from that Vamp Scepter. I'm not one to contest that claim, because I feel how useful that sustain is depends on how you play it (certainly, if you don't feel you need the Vamp Scepter sustain, then Phage is a very logical early/mid-game item choice for Shyvana), but honestly speaking, Vamp->Razors->Wriggle's really does not feel more effective than Vamp->Kindle+Dagger->Zeke's, even with the assumption that you want/need Vamp. Attack Speed, HP, and CDR are undeniably more relevant stats for Shyvana than AD and Armor, and by nature of being an aura item, you're not sacrificing cost-effectiveness to get Zeke's. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On August 21 2012 02:55 wei2coolman wrote: Double shield is needed on some lanes~ for vlad. he has call me maybe playing in the background >.> Irelia >: | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On August 21 2012 03:06 TheYango wrote: I think the core assumption for getting Wriggle's is that Shyvana wants at least a Vamp Scepter's worth of sustain, and that Wriggle's builds smoothly from that Vamp Scepter. I'm not one to contest that claim, because I feel how useful that sustain is depends on how you play it (certainly, if you don't feel you need the Vamp Scepter sustain, then Phage is a very logical early/mid-game item choice for Shyvana), but honestly speaking, Vamp->Razors->Wriggle's really does not feel more effective than Vamp->Kindle+Dagger->Zeke's, even with the assumption that you want/need Vamp. Attack Speed, HP, and CDR are undeniably more relevant stats for Shyvana than AD and Armor, and by nature of being an aura item, you're not sacrificing cost-effectiveness to get Zeke's. wriggles a lot cheaper and shyv scales off of AD better than AS. Plus wriggles lets you solo dragon. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Well he went like 10-1, so who are we mere mortals to comment on his build? :D | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On August 21 2012 03:06 TheYango wrote: I think the core assumption for getting Wriggle's is that Shyvana wants at least a Vamp Scepter's worth of sustain, and that Wriggle's builds smoothly from that Vamp Scepter. I'm not one to contest that claim, because I feel how useful that sustain is depends on how you play it (certainly, if you don't feel you need the Vamp Scepter sustain, then Phage is a very logical early/mid-game item choice for Shyvana), but honestly speaking, Vamp->Razors->Wriggle's really does not feel more effective than Vamp->Kindle+Dagger->Zeke's, even with the assumption that you want/need Vamp. Attack Speed, HP, and CDR are undeniably more relevant stats for Shyvana than AD and Armor, and by nature of being an aura item, you're not sacrificing cost-effectiveness to get Zeke's. Wriggle's proc is very good for buffs/drag/baron though, and the free wards add up too. I think it's mostly a matter of preference. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On August 21 2012 03:13 wei2coolman wrote: Well he went like 10-1, so who are we mere mortals to comment on his build? :D Now he's got Gangnam Style playing in the background LOL. | ||
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