EPTOn August 20 2012 02:42 wei2coolman wrote:
Yeah, Nidalee doesn't have an ult either, huh/
Yeah, Nidalee doesn't have an ult either, huh/
Which is why he called her out for being bad late game too, huh.
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Shiv.
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Which is why he called her out for being bad late game too, huh. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
He has the best laning phase of all AD carries, frequently I find myself 1v2ing lanes like janna ezreal even when my support is out warding. Your poke is ridiculous, noone can really trade you as long as you have axes up. You also have the best level 1 and 2, so feel free to try surprise from behind tactics for easy FB. Another thing draven does well is poke people last hitting under the turret and running back. The thing is, in order to take advantage of these advantages that Draven has you need to be mechanically sound and you need to understand how bottom lane works. If you aren't aggressive and you don't take use this huge advantage, then draven is simply not worth taking over somebody with a jump. (every AD without an escape needs to have their advantage be used properly or ADs with a jump just outperform them) Later in the game, draven has a few problems. Assassins are easily able to take him out as he has no jump and tanks who are able to tank and walk up to him also give him problems. These problems can be worked around with a teamcomp, though, so I still feel that Draven is very viable, it's just that people haven't tried or come up with how to do it yet. To sum this all up, Draven has the best laning phase of AD carries that you have to take advantage of to snowball. If you don't, you need a team that can protect you, or you will be useless in teamfights. + Show Spoiler + Just yesterday I had a game where me and enten went even in laning phase (i was up 1 kill but he had 20 more CS) and the game ended in us getting absolutely smashed (he was ez btw) because their chogath got so tanky that in 30 min he could just run up to me and make me completely useless. The reason why we completely lost was because we had a very bad team for Draven; we had garen top who is in the middle of the fight trying to kill squishies, shyvana that dragon'd into their team and left me as well, leblanc support who couldnt protect me as sshe was also trying to kill squishies and a gragas who was also completely useless as his team didn't create opportunities for him to burst people down and run away. The niche and interesting thing about him is that he can have one of the best and one of the worst AD late games in the game, all depending on if his team works with him or not. | ||
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
Sometimes there are good reasons, but sometimes the champion is just not FoTM, or noone has tried to figure out a competitive build. Look at Nunu, he got a minor buff, people realized the strength of grail and he is suddenly one of the most common champs. Or when Koreans cracked the secret of Ezrael, when Mundo went from trash to top tier jungler or when Locket Veigar was discovered(RIP locket). If a pro makes an underplayed champion work with a new build, or playstyle, they will get a lot of attention, and people start playing them. I do think Jayce will get a lot of attention once someone figures out what he can provide for the team. Also Poppy is insanely strong as a counterpick. Unfortunately her best lane opponents fell out of favor about the same time as Zekent showed her true strength (Panth, Trynd, Garen, Nasus and a few others are hard countered by Poppy). That being said, she CAN be picked into less favorable machups and still win on her insane scaling. Or you pick her against Olaf/Darius/Swain and get destroyed. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On August 20 2012 04:02 obesechicken13 wrote: np I really like HSGG's nidalee but I don't think it fits in team comps anymore. He really couldn't teamfight as an AP and tried bruiser nidalee only briefly. Back when HSGG played nidalee in tournaments he was much better than everyone else and the meta was different. He was like Boxer. He could do anything he wanted and still win. Eventually people were able to punish him for splitpushing. You're forgetting the part where Nidalee was nerfed twice. First was when her heal along with every other heal in the game got nerfed. Then came the removal of dodge, mana cost changes to her heal, an AP ratio nerf to her heal, and other changes. After a bunch of her changes during the dodge removal is when bruiser Nidalee got fotm status because her heal's mana cost increased and the AP ratio got cut from like 1.2 to .7 or something along with the base heal healing Nid for less but having it ramp up later. It wasn't just meta changes or other players "catching up with" Hotshot. The champion got nearly every spell changed. I have a suspicion that CLG developed their poke comp partly so that Hotshot could still play AP Nid. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:24 IMoperator wrote: Are people ever going to realize that draven is a really really good adc, especially in laning phase? Those axes man, they chunk hard. Draven wins lanes and loses in team fights. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
It is important that Jayce dominate the mid game. He also pushes towers really hard with his W. These are his strengths. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 20 2012 05:57 Alaric wrote: Who gives a damn about Jayce or the others? I'm still drooling over Syndra's kit <3 (and blatantly ignoring the fact that the only reason I'm successful with Orianna is her passive and not her zoning capability). Sandra is not even out on PBE yet. It will take at least another 2-3 weeks before she is on LIVE. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
And it's 'k about Syndra, I waited around a month for Viktor, I'll survive. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 20 2012 06:05 cLutZ wrote: Why do all the pros love nunu bot (the skin)? I personally hate it... Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha Yummy Towerdive! We must towerdive! Bots are superior to non-bots. | ||
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Leonite7
Ireland921 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 20 2012 06:13 Leonite7 wrote: Dammit. I bought Orianna and the only thing I got out of it was the realisation that I suck at mid and I should have saved up for Rengar top lane. Orianna is not only very hard to play, she is also not very good for soloQ since her strength lies with teamfights. I bought her. I really regret it. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 20 2012 06:18 overt wrote: I dunno. Orianna is good in solo queue if your opponents group up. QWR wins team fights harder than any other AP carries combo imo. Although, maybe Zyra's combo wins teamfights harder now. But it still requires a lot of coordination, something that is lacking in soloQ. Also Orianna's laning phase is.... mediocre at best. She also can't roam really well because her damage against a single target is kind of low and her CC is pretty meh. There is no reason to play Orianna in soloQ right now because there is Zyra, who is easier to play, more damage, more CC, and facerolls pretty hard in lane. | ||
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Leonite7
Ireland921 Posts
On August 20 2012 06:23 Sufficiency wrote: But it still requires a lot of coordination, something that is lacking in soloQ. Also Orianna's laning phase is.... mediocre at best. She also can't roam really well because her damage against a single target is kind of low and her CC is pretty meh. There is no reason to play Orianna in soloQ right now because there is Zyra, who is easier to play, more damage, more CC, and facerolls pretty hard in lane. Ok. New rule for all future purchases. Must consult Team Liquid. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On August 20 2012 06:05 cLutZ wrote: Why do all the pros love nunu bot (the skin)? I personally hate it... His laugh is one of the most annoying in the game. Pretty much every Nunu Bot I've run into just spams it 24/7. :> | ||
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1godless
United States247 Posts
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koreasilver
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