EPT[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 50
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:16 MooMooMugi wrote: Jayce isn't played by the top players because hes hard to learn to execute properly, but I think he has a lot of hidden potential Jayce is to top like Anivia is to mid or Ezreal is to bot/mid. Hard to master but when you do, you can really stomp on people. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
edit: nvm, always comes down to having 2 ADs being dumb cos armor itemization is so much better than MR itemization | ||
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IMoperator
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On August 20 2012 01:48 obesechicken13 wrote: I think jayce should get a big boobs skin. I have no idea why he's not played. I'm buying him today. Dude is literally broken in lane according to my math. Like every time he puts a point in Q it's like he's putting two points in Q, whereas another champion only gets one point. Also relevant to the boots discussion. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jgIpD.jpg) Thanks for the horrible mental image of a Jayce with boobs... On another note: Jayce is bad because noone plays him. Also, noone plays him because he is bad. Circular Logic is widespread in the LoL community. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:22 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i've always wondered, why don't people play 2 ADs, put 1 top and get zeke's on that guy. ADs or ADCs? I have actually seen both but they are fairly rare. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
it's not like some well-kept secret that jayce/nidalee are good in lane people aren't picking them up because their lategame presence is lacking invisible? no. but as good as jax, riven, malphite, vladimir? ... not even close baby | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:29 gtrsrs wrote: i'm pretty sure everyone knows that jayce is a lane dominator it's not like some well-kept secret that jayce/nidalee are good in lane people aren't picking them up because their lategame presence is lacking invisible? no. but as good as jax, riven, malphite, vladimir? ... not even close baby Jayce belongs right in that list. High base damage, good scaling, a knockback, good poke and his acceleration gate is simply broken. 50% movespeed to the entire team. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
As does Shyvana as she can ult into the middle of a teamfight and not instantly get blown up late game. And it's nearly impossible to deny her farming. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:30 JackDino wrote: Jayce belongs right in that list. High base damage, good scaling, a knockback, good poke and his acceleration gate is simply broken. 50% movespeed to the entire team. he has no ult | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Yeah, Nidalee doesn't have an ult either, huh/ | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Well his ult is basically gaining 3 abilities in the other form while the first form's are on cooldown. I wouldn't say nidalee has no ult. Now whether that's worth a karthus ult is questionable, but it might be worth like a lee sin ult. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
Udyr has no ult either and he's being played a lot, both in the jungle and top. Who needs an ult when you send your entire team from your fountain to the enemy fountain in 2seconds anyways. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:29 gtrsrs wrote: i'm pretty sure everyone knows that jayce is a lane dominator it's not like some well-kept secret that jayce/nidalee are good in lane people aren't picking them up because their lategame presence is lacking invisible? no. but as good as jax, riven, malphite, vladimir? ... not even close baby uh jayce is a monster late game. the more items he gets the stronger he is. he has 3 1.0 ad ratios, PLUS his w when maxed is 3 attacks at atk spd cap that do 130% damage each. you can peel, you can poke, you can be a bruiser, you can be an ad carry. he is absurd really. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Garen nearly 5.0 and "weak late game" | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:42 wei2coolman wrote: Yeah, Nidalee doesn't have an ult either, huh/ nidalee doesn't have a real ult either, hence why she's not played much On August 20 2012 02:45 JackDino wrote: Udyr has no ult either and he's being played a lot, both in the jungle and top. Who needs an ult when you send your entire team from your fountain to the enemy fountain in 2seconds anyways. udyr having no ult is the reason he's slowly being phased out of play too... on top of no dash On August 20 2012 03:08 Vaporized wrote: uh jayce is a monster late game. the more items he gets the stronger he is. he has 3 1.0 ad ratios, PLUS his w when maxed is 3 attacks at atk spd cap that do 130% damage each. you can peel, you can poke, you can be a bruiser, you can be an ad carry. he is absurd really. time and time again, arguments like this continue to be the bane of TL discussions. you can list all the positives of a champ in a vacuum that you want, it doesn't make that champion a good or competitive pick. annie has free spells, is a tank thanks to her E (op resists and damage return! she can solo baron over time!), and has 2 aoe stuns, with all spells having better than 0.7 ap ratio. she can damage, nuke, tank, and peel. she is absurd, not to mention highest attack range IN THE GAME. annie, number 1 pick always and forever!!! you see, you can paint any champ as op in a vacuum by ignoring their flaws. no one is arguing that jayce is bad in lane or a bad champ. i'm just saying why would you pick him when there are so many other champs that do more throughout the game? i think that's the logic most top players use too | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
I do agree with smash (gtsrs) that jayce falls off late game. But his lane dominance is scary for how little he trades off later on. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:22 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i've always wondered, why don't people play 2 ADs, put 1 top and get zeke's on that guy. edit: nvm, always comes down to having 2 ADs being dumb cos armor itemization is so much better than MR itemization teemo, kayle, corki are somewhat common top picks. Ezreal occasionally. teemo isn't always built like an ADC tho. And armor itemization is pretty good, but ADC itemization is pretty damn good as well. IE, PD, LW x2 is stronk. edit: a lot of the problem with jayce's lategame is his questionable itemization. It always feels (to me) like he doesn't do enough dmg if he builds tanky, and he effectively removes all of his hammer skills if he builds for dmg. Hitting that spot in-between where you're tanky enough to utilize all of his skills but still do enough dmg is kinda hard imo. | ||
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