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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 20:56:27
August 18 2012 20:54 GMT
#841
Oh my god. They killed jungle twitch. I was just trying him in the jungle 21/9/0 instead of my standard 9/21/0 jungling masteries, but he just takes so much damage now. I don't get it. It looks like nothing's changed for his jungling except his Q uptime is now 5 seconds shorter. Then it's not like he gets anything back late game. His R hits like a sissy to back lines, he can't stealth for long enough to walk past wards even at max rank anymore, and his slow travels about as fast as fucking heimerdinger's grenades. Oh and he can't hide in the long poke wars before engages with his stealth anymore either.

I used to be fine using twitch with cloth+5 before I got a madred's razor but this bot game I went 13 pots just because I didn't know how much he'd changed. I was down like 9 health pots before I would have had the gold to get a razor in a normal game. I'm done with twitch.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
August 18 2012 20:55 GMT
#842
On August 19 2012 01:22 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 22:55 Simberto wrote:
I doubt it can be recommended, since you will still have the problem that then you don't have enough IP at max level. Of course, if you then buy all your champions for RP, you can probably afford 2 runepages, so you should be fine. Still, i think there are better ways to invest your money then an XP boost. Champions, skins, or IP boosts are all more useful in my opinion.

Also, what do you mean by "grinding out your account". You can still do the exact same things you would do at 30 (except ranked, but you got a hidden ranking in normals anyways afaik), so really the only thing you gain is an elo number. If you don't find the game fun to play, investing money probably won't change that. And if you find it fun to play, levelling up should not be a problem. Just focus on the game instead of the levels.

If you still want it, http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Boost explains how boosts work. Apparently, they double the base xp you gain, while the 4/10 win boosts give you additional xp according to the maximal game length xp. Both can be combined so you get both the effects, but they don't stack multiplicatively.


IP boosts are terrible. When you math it out the time-based boosts can be good if you really want to binge on LoL on a weekend/day but the per win boosts are just not valuable at all. In terms of IP per $ spent rune pages are #1 with champions #2. You're far better off spending all your RP on pages/champions. The only advantage that IP boosts give is that they can be spent on runes, but unless you already have every champion you could ever want to buy you could have just RP bought a champion you were saving for and saved 6300 IP for runes that way.

This doesn't even count the champion sales that happen.

Yeah but you're spending rp on things you can get with ip, i would figure skins are the best deal because you can ONLY get them with rp and not ip. I'll probably get the 7pages because its like 44k ip. But i'm not sure I even want to do that because its like a legendary skin + normal skin i can get, which i cant even get with IP. Wouldn't the digital collectors pack be the best thing to buy because you're getting 20 champs 1 skin some runes and 1380 rp back?
wot?
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 18 2012 21:02 GMT
#843
On August 19 2012 05:54 obesechicken13 wrote:
Oh my god. They killed jungle twitch. I was just trying him in the jungle 21/9/0 instead of my standard 9/21/0 jungling masteries, but he just takes so much damage now. I don't get it. It looks like nothing's changed for his jungling except his Q uptime is now 5 seconds shorter. Then it's not like he gets anything back late game. His R hits like a sissy to back lines, he can't stealth for long enough to walk past wards even at max rank anymore, and his slow travels about as fast as fucking heimerdinger's grenades. Oh and he can't hide in the long poke wars before engages with his stealth anymore either.

I used to be fine using twitch with cloth+5 before I got a madred's razor but this bot game I went 13 pots just because I didn't know how much he'd changed. I was down like 9 health pots before I would have had the gold to get a razor in a normal game. I'm done with twitch.

Cloth actually helps a lot more than 8 more pots, and IF jungle twitch is really dead, that's a good thing.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 18 2012 21:06 GMT
#844
On August 19 2012 05:38 zulu_nation8 wrote:
You only lose lane after giving up one kill if you play the exact same way as you did before. I don't think I've ever seen someone legitimately lose top lane after one death while playing correctly, even at tourney level it doesn't happen. What does happen though is the guy who just died goes up to cs like herpity derpity, gets engaged on, runs, then tries to cs again and dies then goes OMG HES SO FED.


Sure, derpage happens. But losing CS and EXP is also a huge part of the "snowball".

Granted, this is mostly toplane. Mids mostly can play decently from behind, but toplane can't even get GP5 if they are behind most of the time, because that will just mean death if the other guy has a Phage or something. Not to mention, if top is fed, that probably means the jungler has some bonus gold too, so early Boots of Mobility or GP5 or Oracles or Aegis on him.

Also, it depends on the time of firstblood. Part of what makes lvl 1 invades so awesome/risky is if you win and get a doublekill, you come back to lane with a ridiculous advantage.
Freeeeeeedom
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 18 2012 21:18 GMT
#845
i agree thats how a snowball works, my point is its not as bad as people make it seem.
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
August 18 2012 21:35 GMT
#846
On August 19 2012 05:54 obesechicken13 wrote:
Oh my god. They killed jungle twitch. I was just trying him in the jungle 21/9/0 instead of my standard 9/21/0 jungling masteries, but he just takes so much damage now. I don't get it. It looks like nothing's changed for his jungling except his Q uptime is now 5 seconds shorter. Then it's not like he gets anything back late game. His R hits like a sissy to back lines, he can't stealth for long enough to walk past wards even at max rank anymore, and his slow travels about as fast as fucking heimerdinger's grenades. Oh and he can't hide in the long poke wars before engages with his stealth anymore either.

I used to be fine using twitch with cloth+5 before I got a madred's razor but this bot game I went 13 pots just because I didn't know how much he'd changed. I was down like 9 health pots before I would have had the gold to get a razor in a normal game. I'm done with twitch.


Twitch's invis is just completely useless now unless I'm missing something major.
D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 21:46:09
August 18 2012 21:35 GMT
#847
I just picked up corki, and every guide says to run a triforce on him. Does that mean I should be doing, Skill>Auto Attack>Skill>Auto>Skill>Auto?

Also watching m5 i seen that genja maxed e first, what is the thinking behind this? Is it because of runes that people run to shred that off so your attacks/skills do more damage?
wot?
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
August 18 2012 21:48 GMT
#848
On August 19 2012 06:35 D u o wrote:
I just picked up corki, and every guide says to run a triforce on him. Does that mean I should be doing, Skill>Auto Attack>Skill>Auto>Skill>Auto?


This probably would provide the maximum damage however it is highly unlikely you will be able to do this in a hectic teamfight so using your skills then autos is still alright.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32280 Posts
August 18 2012 21:50 GMT
#849
Triforce has a 2 second cooldown, so it depends. Sometimes you can chain attacks with triforce, sometimes you just throw all you can to kill someone running. I mostly do E auto missile auto missile auto, etc.

E shreds armor while doing some extra damage, it's good for sustained damage on someone, if you can stick to them (like if you are laning with taric who can stun them in place).
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 18 2012 21:53 GMT
#850
itw i just got your PM, i'm down to duo later after workout mmk
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32280 Posts
August 18 2012 21:54 GMT
#851
Ah, I'm leaving now and probably won't be back until sunday / monday

We can always play during the week if you can!
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0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 21:58:31
August 18 2012 21:57 GMT
#852
This type of shit should just be said in pms :O
D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 22:02:47
August 18 2012 22:01 GMT
#853
On August 19 2012 06:50 IntoTheWow wrote:
Triforce has a 2 second cooldown, so it depends. Sometimes you can chain attacks with triforce, sometimes you just throw all you can to kill someone running. I mostly do E auto missile auto missile auto, etc.

E shreds armor while doing some extra damage, it's good for sustained damage on someone, if you can stick to them (like if you are laning with taric who can stun them in place).


Does that mean I should even go for a triforce right after sheen? Bloodthirster probably seems like a better choice after getting a sheen. A sheen is basically a critical hit every 2 seconds, attack speed on corki doesn't seem to scale well because you can just do an Auto and skill since your R is pretty spammable, you can just abuse your attack speed by adding in your R in-between
wot?
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 18 2012 22:04 GMT
#854
On August 19 2012 07:01 D u o wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 06:50 IntoTheWow wrote:
Triforce has a 2 second cooldown, so it depends. Sometimes you can chain attacks with triforce, sometimes you just throw all you can to kill someone running. I mostly do E auto missile auto missile auto, etc.

E shreds armor while doing some extra damage, it's good for sustained damage on someone, if you can stick to them (like if you are laning with taric who can stun them in place).


Does that mean I should even go for a triforce right after sheen? Bloodthirster probably seems like a better choice after getting a sheen. A sheen is basically a critical hit every 2 seconds, attack speed on corki doesn't seem to scale well because you can just do an Auto and skill since your R is pretty spammable, you can just abuse your attack speed by adding in your R in-between

Attack speed is good and scales on ANY ad carry.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
August 18 2012 22:11 GMT
#855
On August 19 2012 07:04 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 07:01 D u o wrote:
On August 19 2012 06:50 IntoTheWow wrote:
Triforce has a 2 second cooldown, so it depends. Sometimes you can chain attacks with triforce, sometimes you just throw all you can to kill someone running. I mostly do E auto missile auto missile auto, etc.

E shreds armor while doing some extra damage, it's good for sustained damage on someone, if you can stick to them (like if you are laning with taric who can stun them in place).


Does that mean I should even go for a triforce right after sheen? Bloodthirster probably seems like a better choice after getting a sheen. A sheen is basically a critical hit every 2 seconds, attack speed on corki doesn't seem to scale well because you can just do an Auto and skill since your R is pretty spammable, you can just abuse your attack speed by adding in your R in-between

Attack speed is good and scales on ANY ad carry.

Well of course but wouldn't more damage be better since I can skip my Auto Attack animation and just do an R instead? auto >R>auto>R with a sheen seems like it would be better than going for an AD into Attack Speed build on corki since you don't have a steroid.
wot?
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 18 2012 22:20 GMT
#856
If you're ahead and think a BF sword will do you more good than another triforce piece, go for it. There's no set build. Personally I like phage over sheen as my first triforce piece.
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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
August 18 2012 22:33 GMT
#857
So I was watching M5 vs Fnatic and bot lane Corki seemed to move really fast. This might just be my sickness deciving my eyesight, but what was Genja's rune setup?
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
August 18 2012 22:34 GMT
#858
On August 19 2012 07:33 RogerX wrote:
So I was watching M5 vs Fnatic and bot lane Corki seemed to move really fast. This might just be my sickness deciving my eyesight, but what was Genja's rune setup?


Did he have nunu support? Then he was being bloodboiled.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 22:37:03
August 18 2012 22:36 GMT
#859
On August 19 2012 07:34 Leonite7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 07:33 RogerX wrote:
So I was watching M5 vs Fnatic and bot lane Corki seemed to move really fast. This might just be my sickness deciving my eyesight, but what was Genja's rune setup?


Did he have nunu support? Then he was being bloodboiled.

Oh crap yeah he did, my brain feels dead right now.

Thanks, dat nunu.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 18 2012 22:44 GMT
#860
On August 19 2012 06:35 Goshawk. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 05:54 obesechicken13 wrote:
Oh my god. They killed jungle twitch. I was just trying him in the jungle 21/9/0 instead of my standard 9/21/0 jungling masteries, but he just takes so much damage now. I don't get it. It looks like nothing's changed for his jungling except his Q uptime is now 5 seconds shorter. Then it's not like he gets anything back late game. His R hits like a sissy to back lines, he can't stealth for long enough to walk past wards even at max rank anymore, and his slow travels about as fast as fucking heimerdinger's grenades. Oh and he can't hide in the long poke wars before engages with his stealth anymore either.

I used to be fine using twitch with cloth+5 before I got a madred's razor but this bot game I went 13 pots just because I didn't know how much he'd changed. I was down like 9 health pots before I would have had the gold to get a razor in a normal game. I'm done with twitch.


Twitch's invis is just completely useless now unless I'm missing something major.

You get the same attack speed boost they just killed the perma stealth that was stupid to play against in the first place, and has been since long before they started nerfing twitch.

The bigass attackspeed steroid has always been the invis selling point imo
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