Yep. Eventually the lane kind of sits in a standstill without jungler interference.. Jayce can use ranged poke, but Irelia can ignore them because Irelia has sustain. Whoever initiates loses.

Eh.. if irelia just stays even in the lane until 6 or 7 she will destroy him. At 9 it's not even close. You let him hit you with E->Q once so you're lower hp than him, then you Q to a low minion, EWauto auto auto and then Q to him after he knocks you away. I've played the lane 3 or 4 times and I've killed him or zoned him in every case. Irelia is just really good.

edit: Oh and sometimes the minions won't be low, but you can just ult to take care of that and then use the rest of your ult as you're combo'ing him.

WhiteDog

France8650 Posts

August 27 2012 19:39 GMT

#3267

I have a really hard time playing against blitz support and I personally think he is most OP support today. One hook means instant death for carry, so you have to always think about your positionning and he tank way too much at early level and escape too easily with his sprint.
It's not like an ali or a taric that you can punish when they overextend without their carry, attacking blitz always mean losing the fight even if the carry is afk hitting minions for the first 20 seconds. I usually just ban him when I can.

Do I play bad or do you all have the same experience ?

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

August 27 2012 19:42 GMT

#3268

just pick taric and body block for your ad.

it's not like a free win, if they do manage to get a lead, blitz will just w and run at you and thats when things get silly, but in an even lane, a tanky support like Nunu, Taric, Ali, and Leona can survive it. Eat the hook, use your cc on the carry and walk away.

Gahlo

United States35164 Posts

August 27 2012 19:42 GMT

#3269

On August 28 2012 04:00 Celial wrote:
Never fuck a girl unless she is unconcious. 100% success rate.

Well, that escalated fast.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

August 27 2012 19:44 GMT

#3270

On August 28 2012 04:42 Slusher wrote:
just pick taric and body block for your ad, it's actually really simple.

yea it's pretty hilarious when you're playing taric/graves and the blitz on the other team has no idea how to lane against a taric.

just let yourself get grabbed. Taric essentially acts as a poor man's Ali in lane when paired with an AD with strong burst/dueling potential.

nojitosunrise

United States6188 Posts

August 27 2012 19:47 GMT

#3271

Brackets are up for Season 2 NA regionals

http://tournaments.leagueoflegends.com/s2-na-regionals

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

August 27 2012 19:56 GMT

#3272

On August 28 2012 04:47 nojitosunrise wrote:
Brackets are up for Season 2 NA regionals

http://tournaments.leagueoflegends.com/s2-na-regionals

I wonder what kind of excuse they come up with if curse somehow wins those, can't have curse winning anything. That's like dividing by 0.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

August 27 2012 20:07 GMT

#3273

In other news, I'm not convinced the upcoming Graves/Corki/Ezreal nerfs are going to break up their dominance of the AD carry role. The power of repositioning is so compelling that 98% of champions run Flash all the time, and is a big part of why these champions are so popular. Combined with very strong early/mid games and respectable late games, I don't see these three going away or becoming unpopular. At best, we might see more of Tristana.

However, I think it's possible to break down this issue through team compositions. Running a composition that combines powerful shields/heals with defensive steroids/auras is extremely potent without necessarily having to go full blown "Protect the AD". You have lots of options in both areas, and even a few that overlap.

Heals/Shields: Lulu, Morgana, Lee Sin, Janna, Shen, Lux, Karma
Auras/Steroids: Galio, Jarvan, Maokai
Both: Orianna, Taric, Soraka, Sona

There's even Aegis, Locket, and Heal to throw on top of everything.

You don't need an entire team of these champions, just a strong shield/heal or two combined with a strong defensive steroid. Combining Lulu and Galio, for example, is more than sufficient as they can add 4000 effective health to a carry between the two of them. Then again, if the enemy lets you do something crazy like Lee Top + Maokai Jungle + Galio Mid + Lulu Support there's little wrong with that team comp.

The key problem is that you can't really organize this sort of thing in solo queue. You can maybe factor it in when considering where you fit in your team's composition, but that's about it.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

August 27 2012 20:13 GMT

#3274

I'm a bit sad, I originally picked up Ez as my AD because he was so under-played, but now he's fucking everywhere :\

That's why I play Cait to be different (and she's fun, imo), but then Cait late game.

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

August 27 2012 20:15 GMT

#3275

Cait lategame is fine if you're not doing enough damage you must've build wrong or be behind or some shit.

zodde

Sweden1908 Posts

August 27 2012 20:31 GMT

#3276

On August 28 2012 05:13 Requizen wrote:
I'm a bit sad, I originally picked up Ez as my AD because he was so under-played, but now he's fucking everywhere :\

That's why I play Cait to be different (and she's fun, imo), but then Cait late game.

Hipster :D

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

August 27 2012 20:33 GMT

#3277

Fine is a very subjective term. Fine compared to what? Kog or Vayne late game? Not really. Teemo late game? Well, yeah.

Cait always struck me as "in an odd place" because she brings a little to moderate amount of everything, but not a lot of anything. She doesn't have Ashe utility, but traps give some really nice utility. No Sivir sprint or Ez blink, but Net is a decent escape. Not Vayne damage or Kog/Trist range/damage, but safe range and an ok (but not overwhelming) steroid.

Oh well, I play her despite all that, I don't think she's trash or anything like that.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

August 27 2012 20:34 GMT

#3278

Honestly if you could toggle E passive, I think Trist would be every bit as popular as the "holy trinity"

@Below Taric def crushes Leona, I agree 100%

SoulSever

Canada779 Posts

August 27 2012 20:37 GMT

#3279

On August 27 2012 23:48 Requizen wrote:
I really need to learn Leona, she seems like one of the better supports for solo queue alongside Blitz. Big playmaker with free tankiness is not a bad thing, every time I see her she feels like a better version of Taric.

I agree that Leona is amazing and is better when compared to Taric, but in my experience (I play ALOT of Leona) Taric is the best counter TO Leona.

overt

United States9006 Posts

August 27 2012 20:37 GMT

#3280

I still play Ez and Corki all the time despite them being popular. Because they're way more fun than the other AD carries.

I agree that I don't think these nerfs will change anything. I think Riot should consider buffing some of the other AD carries to accommodate for their lack of escapes rather than further nerfing Ez/Corki/Graves. Because the only way to end those three champions dominance would be to change their kits around or to nerf them so hard that their damage isn't worth the fact that they have good escapes.