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On August 27 2012 23:50 Alaric wrote:
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona).
Would be great if Ali wasn't banned every game lol.
And Smash, why you gotta hate on the Sheriff? Not cool yo.
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On August 27 2012 23:51 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 23:44 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 27 2012 23:41 Mogwai wrote:
support voli is cheesy. it does work up to very high elos as long as your ranged AD knows how to play it right though. Is very fun to watch and play though. Caitlyn shuts him down with traps though. Makes him eat free damage all day. Also needs an AD that can follow up on him properly. But mang, Voli is tanky and annoying even with few items. Get baited by passive all day. if picking support voli baits the opposing team into playing Cait, it's probably worth it. I can say that I'd honestly rather have a support voli than a ranged AD Cait late in the game, lol.
That is true. Although from the (admittedly) few games I've played against Volibear Support (which all seemed to involve Caitlyn for some reason) the game ended early so I'm not sure how it all pans out from the mid-game onwards. The way I see it at least is that Voli provides a role that's a cross between Singed and Blitz or something and wants to be tanky disruption support. Dunno. Never actually played the lane from the Volibear's perspective since I don't own him.
Also wonder what a good counterpick would be other than Cait. (Again not enough experience here.) Sona maybe? Just keep poking at Voli. Although there's the problem of mana efficiency. Hm. Janna probably. Tornado when he uses Rolling Thunder and her passive keeps you more mobile. Got to think over this.
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On August 27 2012 23:54 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 23:50 Alaric wrote:
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona). Would be great if Ali wasn't banned every game lol. And Smash, why you gotta hate on the Sheriff? Not cool yo.
So I am not the only one who has given up on the ranged supports? As Janna/Soraka I just feel like 1 misclick = feeding nowadays.
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On August 27 2012 23:50 Celial wrote:
i just want an excuse to play my full metal rammus =(
but yeah the way moonbear puts it makes sadly sense. like ls said a couple pages back: if you wanna win, no sense in doing anything less than optimal in any given situation =/
Pdancer fratmogs gogo.
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YEAH. FUCK YOU TEEMO.
Uncomfortable with a snowball-item based champ though. Seems like he'd be really weak unless you can nab a couple early kills.
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On August 27 2012 23:59 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 23:54 Requizen wrote:On August 27 2012 23:50 Alaric wrote:
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona). Would be great if Ali wasn't banned every game lol. And Smash, why you gotta hate on the Sheriff? Not cool yo. So I am not the only one who has given up on the ranged supports? As Janna/Soraka I just feel like 1 misclick = feeding nowadays.
They're still good. But nerfs mean you need to play much safer during the early game since if you get all-in'd by high burst damage lanes like Leona+Corki or Ezrael+Blitz you die or lose all lane control. Janna particularly works nicely with Graves and is still a popular lane in OGN.
If that doesn't suit you, there's also Sona and Lulu who can be a ranged threat in lane and have good poke harass. Their Ults are also really nice for initiation and counter-initiation. You have to remember that melee champions by design tend to be tankier than ranged because they have a shorter threat range. Keep kiting and understand what you want to achieve in lane. It's perhaps harder in solo queue because often you and your AD will not be on the same page. (e.g. They don't respond correctly when you want to harass, don't understand when to freeze lane and zone, etc.) Just have to respond to the situation and go with it.
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On August 27 2012 23:57 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 23:51 Mogwai wrote:On August 27 2012 23:44 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 27 2012 23:41 Mogwai wrote:
support voli is cheesy. it does work up to very high elos as long as your ranged AD knows how to play it right though. Is very fun to watch and play though. Caitlyn shuts him down with traps though. Makes him eat free damage all day. Also needs an AD that can follow up on him properly. But mang, Voli is tanky and annoying even with few items. Get baited by passive all day. if picking support voli baits the opposing team into playing Cait, it's probably worth it. I can say that I'd honestly rather have a support voli than a ranged AD Cait late in the game, lol. That is true. Although from the (admittedly) few games I've played against Volibear Support (which all seemed to involve Caitlyn for some reason) the game ended early so I'm not sure how it all pans out from the mid-game onwards. The way I see it at least is that Voli provides a role that's a cross between Singed and Blitz or something and wants to be tanky disruption support. Dunno. Never actually played the lane from the Volibear's perspective since I don't own him. Also wonder what a good counterpick would be other than Cait. (Again not enough experience here.) Sona maybe? Just keep poking at Voli. Although there's the problem of mana efficiency. Hm. Janna probably. Tornado when he uses Rolling Thunder and her passive keeps you more mobile. Got to think over this.
Surprised you didn't mention Lulu to counter Volibear. Between Glitterlance's slow and Whimsy's polymorph it's very hard for Volibear to get off a flip, and very easy for him to take lots of damage in the attempt.
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On August 28 2012 00:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 23:59 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2012 23:54 Requizen wrote:On August 27 2012 23:50 Alaric wrote:
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona). Would be great if Ali wasn't banned every game lol. And Smash, why you gotta hate on the Sheriff? Not cool yo. So I am not the only one who has given up on the ranged supports? As Janna/Soraka I just feel like 1 misclick = feeding nowadays. They're still good. But nerfs mean you need to play much safer during the early game since if you get all-in'd by high burst damage lanes like Leona+Corki or Ezrael+Blitz you die or lose all lane control. Janna particularly works nicely with Graves and is still a popular lane in OGN. If that doesn't suit you, there's also Sona and Lulu who can be a ranged threat in lane and have good poke harass. Their Ults are also really nice for initiation and counter-initiation. You have to remember that melee champions by design tend to be tankier than ranged because they have a shorter threat range. Keep kiting and understand what you want to achieve in lane. It's perhaps harder in solo queue because often you and your AD will not be on the same page. (e.g. They don't respond correctly when you want to harass, don't understand when to freeze lane and zone, etc.) Just have to respond to the situation and go with it.
Yar. With Graves I still like can pull off the Soraka/Janna, but otherwise its Taric/Ali/Blitz/Nunu. So I don't feel like I am going to die everytime I go to ward, particularly if I'm blue side, tribush camping seems to be in vogue at my ELO.
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On August 28 2012 00:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 23:59 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2012 23:54 Requizen wrote:On August 27 2012 23:50 Alaric wrote:
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona). Would be great if Ali wasn't banned every game lol. And Smash, why you gotta hate on the Sheriff? Not cool yo. So I am not the only one who has given up on the ranged supports? As Janna/Soraka I just feel like 1 misclick = feeding nowadays. They're still good. But nerfs mean you need to play much safer during the early game since if you get all-in'd by high burst damage lanes like Leona+Corki or Ezrael+Blitz you die or lose all lane control. Janna particularly works nicely with Graves and is still a popular lane in OGN. If that doesn't suit you, there's also Sona and Lulu who can be a ranged threat in lane and have good poke harass. Their Ults are also really nice for initiation and counter-initiation. You have to remember that melee champions by design tend to be tankier than ranged because they have a shorter threat range. Keep kiting and understand what you want to achieve in lane. It's perhaps harder in solo queue because often you and your AD will not be on the same page. (e.g. They don't respond correctly when you want to harass, don't understand when to freeze lane and zone, etc.) Just have to respond to the situation and go with it.
dat feel when you R>E Leona and blow exaust and the ad carry is sitting at the wave farming.
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On August 28 2012 00:11 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 23:57 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 27 2012 23:51 Mogwai wrote:On August 27 2012 23:44 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 27 2012 23:41 Mogwai wrote:
support voli is cheesy. it does work up to very high elos as long as your ranged AD knows how to play it right though. Is very fun to watch and play though. Caitlyn shuts him down with traps though. Makes him eat free damage all day. Also needs an AD that can follow up on him properly. But mang, Voli is tanky and annoying even with few items. Get baited by passive all day. if picking support voli baits the opposing team into playing Cait, it's probably worth it. I can say that I'd honestly rather have a support voli than a ranged AD Cait late in the game, lol. That is true. Although from the (admittedly) few games I've played against Volibear Support (which all seemed to involve Caitlyn for some reason) the game ended early so I'm not sure how it all pans out from the mid-game onwards. The way I see it at least is that Voli provides a role that's a cross between Singed and Blitz or something and wants to be tanky disruption support. Dunno. Never actually played the lane from the Volibear's perspective since I don't own him. Also wonder what a good counterpick would be other than Cait. (Again not enough experience here.) Sona maybe? Just keep poking at Voli. Although there's the problem of mana efficiency. Hm. Janna probably. Tornado when he uses Rolling Thunder and her passive keeps you more mobile. Got to think over this. Surprised you didn't mention Lulu to counter Volibear. Between Glitterlance's slow and Whimsy's polymorph it's very hard for Volibear to get off a flip, and very easy for him to take lots of damage in the attempt.
Derp. You're totally correct. How did I forget lol. @_@
On August 28 2012 00:12 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 27 2012 23:59 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2012 23:54 Requizen wrote:On August 27 2012 23:50 Alaric wrote:
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona). Would be great if Ali wasn't banned every game lol. And Smash, why you gotta hate on the Sheriff? Not cool yo. So I am not the only one who has given up on the ranged supports? As Janna/Soraka I just feel like 1 misclick = feeding nowadays. They're still good. But nerfs mean you need to play much safer during the early game since if you get all-in'd by high burst damage lanes like Leona+Corki or Ezrael+Blitz you die or lose all lane control. Janna particularly works nicely with Graves and is still a popular lane in OGN. If that doesn't suit you, there's also Sona and Lulu who can be a ranged threat in lane and have good poke harass. Their Ults are also really nice for initiation and counter-initiation. You have to remember that melee champions by design tend to be tankier than ranged because they have a shorter threat range. Keep kiting and understand what you want to achieve in lane. It's perhaps harder in solo queue because often you and your AD will not be on the same page. (e.g. They don't respond correctly when you want to harass, don't understand when to freeze lane and zone, etc.) Just have to respond to the situation and go with it. Yar. With Graves I still like can pull off the Soraka/Janna, but otherwise its Taric/Ali/Blitz/Nunu. So I don't feel like I am going to die everytime I go to ward, particularly if I'm blue side, tribush camping seems to be in vogue at my ELO.
Taric/Ali/Blitz/Nunu are all very safe supports because it's super obvious when to fight. A lot of ADs don't understand things like "fight when Janna shield is up" or "Sorara heal is best used to suddenly reverse hp in a fight and take advantage of armour buff." Like, when Blitz hooks someone, it's immediately clear you want to fight.
On August 28 2012 00:12 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 27 2012 23:59 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2012 23:54 Requizen wrote:On August 27 2012 23:50 Alaric wrote:
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona). Would be great if Ali wasn't banned every game lol. And Smash, why you gotta hate on the Sheriff? Not cool yo. So I am not the only one who has given up on the ranged supports? As Janna/Soraka I just feel like 1 misclick = feeding nowadays. They're still good. But nerfs mean you need to play much safer during the early game since if you get all-in'd by high burst damage lanes like Leona+Corki or Ezrael+Blitz you die or lose all lane control. Janna particularly works nicely with Graves and is still a popular lane in OGN. If that doesn't suit you, there's also Sona and Lulu who can be a ranged threat in lane and have good poke harass. Their Ults are also really nice for initiation and counter-initiation. You have to remember that melee champions by design tend to be tankier than ranged because they have a shorter threat range. Keep kiting and understand what you want to achieve in lane. It's perhaps harder in solo queue because often you and your AD will not be on the same page. (e.g. They don't respond correctly when you want to harass, don't understand when to freeze lane and zone, etc.) Just have to respond to the situation and go with it. dat feel when you R>E Leona and blow exaust and the ad carry is sitting at the wave farming.
Ikr. =(
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On August 28 2012 00:12 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 27 2012 23:59 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2012 23:54 Requizen wrote:On August 27 2012 23:50 Alaric wrote:
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona). Would be great if Ali wasn't banned every game lol. And Smash, why you gotta hate on the Sheriff? Not cool yo. So I am not the only one who has given up on the ranged supports? As Janna/Soraka I just feel like 1 misclick = feeding nowadays. They're still good. But nerfs mean you need to play much safer during the early game since if you get all-in'd by high burst damage lanes like Leona+Corki or Ezrael+Blitz you die or lose all lane control. Janna particularly works nicely with Graves and is still a popular lane in OGN. If that doesn't suit you, there's also Sona and Lulu who can be a ranged threat in lane and have good poke harass. Their Ults are also really nice for initiation and counter-initiation. You have to remember that melee champions by design tend to be tankier than ranged because they have a shorter threat range. Keep kiting and understand what you want to achieve in lane. It's perhaps harder in solo queue because often you and your AD will not be on the same page. (e.g. They don't respond correctly when you want to harass, don't understand when to freeze lane and zone, etc.) Just have to respond to the situation and go with it. dat feel when you R>E Leona and blow exaust and the ad carry is sitting at the wave farming.
I get so sad every single time. All I want is glory to the sun, and I'm all alone... =(
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On August 28 2012 00:29 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:12 Slusher wrote:On August 28 2012 00:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 27 2012 23:59 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2012 23:54 Requizen wrote:On August 27 2012 23:50 Alaric wrote:
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona). Would be great if Ali wasn't banned every game lol. And Smash, why you gotta hate on the Sheriff? Not cool yo. So I am not the only one who has given up on the ranged supports? As Janna/Soraka I just feel like 1 misclick = feeding nowadays. They're still good. But nerfs mean you need to play much safer during the early game since if you get all-in'd by high burst damage lanes like Leona+Corki or Ezrael+Blitz you die or lose all lane control. Janna particularly works nicely with Graves and is still a popular lane in OGN. If that doesn't suit you, there's also Sona and Lulu who can be a ranged threat in lane and have good poke harass. Their Ults are also really nice for initiation and counter-initiation. You have to remember that melee champions by design tend to be tankier than ranged because they have a shorter threat range. Keep kiting and understand what you want to achieve in lane. It's perhaps harder in solo queue because often you and your AD will not be on the same page. (e.g. They don't respond correctly when you want to harass, don't understand when to freeze lane and zone, etc.) Just have to respond to the situation and go with it. dat feel when you R>E Leona and blow exaust and the ad carry is sitting at the wave farming. I get so sad every single time. All I want is glory to the sun, and I'm all alone... =(
The opposite is just as bad, playing Soraka and expecting a nice passive game with Cait or something, and she's going balls to the wall aggressive while you're just like "Uh, here's some mana! I'm gonna walk away now".
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On August 28 2012 00:32 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:29 AsmodeusXI wrote:On August 28 2012 00:12 Slusher wrote:On August 28 2012 00:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 27 2012 23:59 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2012 23:54 Requizen wrote:On August 27 2012 23:50 Alaric wrote:
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona). Would be great if Ali wasn't banned every game lol. And Smash, why you gotta hate on the Sheriff? Not cool yo. So I am not the only one who has given up on the ranged supports? As Janna/Soraka I just feel like 1 misclick = feeding nowadays. They're still good. But nerfs mean you need to play much safer during the early game since if you get all-in'd by high burst damage lanes like Leona+Corki or Ezrael+Blitz you die or lose all lane control. Janna particularly works nicely with Graves and is still a popular lane in OGN. If that doesn't suit you, there's also Sona and Lulu who can be a ranged threat in lane and have good poke harass. Their Ults are also really nice for initiation and counter-initiation. You have to remember that melee champions by design tend to be tankier than ranged because they have a shorter threat range. Keep kiting and understand what you want to achieve in lane. It's perhaps harder in solo queue because often you and your AD will not be on the same page. (e.g. They don't respond correctly when you want to harass, don't understand when to freeze lane and zone, etc.) Just have to respond to the situation and go with it. dat feel when you R>E Leona and blow exaust and the ad carry is sitting at the wave farming. I get so sad every single time. All I want is glory to the sun, and I'm all alone... =( The opposite is just as bad, playing Soraka and expecting a nice passive game with Cait or something, and she's going balls to the wall aggressive while you're just like "Uh, here's some mana! I'm gonna walk away now".
And it's always a Cait or an Ashe and I just feel like "But nothing good can come of this."
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On August 28 2012 00:36 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:32 Requizen wrote:On August 28 2012 00:29 AsmodeusXI wrote:On August 28 2012 00:12 Slusher wrote:On August 28 2012 00:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 27 2012 23:59 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2012 23:54 Requizen wrote:On August 27 2012 23:50 Alaric wrote:
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona). Would be great if Ali wasn't banned every game lol. And Smash, why you gotta hate on the Sheriff? Not cool yo. So I am not the only one who has given up on the ranged supports? As Janna/Soraka I just feel like 1 misclick = feeding nowadays. They're still good. But nerfs mean you need to play much safer during the early game since if you get all-in'd by high burst damage lanes like Leona+Corki or Ezrael+Blitz you die or lose all lane control. Janna particularly works nicely with Graves and is still a popular lane in OGN. If that doesn't suit you, there's also Sona and Lulu who can be a ranged threat in lane and have good poke harass. Their Ults are also really nice for initiation and counter-initiation. You have to remember that melee champions by design tend to be tankier than ranged because they have a shorter threat range. Keep kiting and understand what you want to achieve in lane. It's perhaps harder in solo queue because often you and your AD will not be on the same page. (e.g. They don't respond correctly when you want to harass, don't understand when to freeze lane and zone, etc.) Just have to respond to the situation and go with it. dat feel when you R>E Leona and blow exaust and the ad carry is sitting at the wave farming. I get so sad every single time. All I want is glory to the sun, and I'm all alone... =( The opposite is just as bad, playing Soraka and expecting a nice passive game with Cait or something, and she's going balls to the wall aggressive while you're just like "Uh, here's some mana! I'm gonna walk away now". And it's always a Cait or an Ashe and I just feel like "But nothing good can come of this."
Somehow this sounds like a good plot for Soraka Excellent Adventure
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Just play nunu, speed stuff, slow stuff, kill stuff. Awesome yeti.
Oh i just played a couple blitz games and i have to say, it seems like people rarely expect the flash grab got me in tough situation without follow-up a few times... why you dont trust blitz players for their skillshots 
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On August 28 2012 00:47 StateAlchemist wrote:why you dont trust blitz players for their skillshots
It's all in the question really.
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I have the gun, I call the shots.
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On August 28 2012 00:50 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:47 StateAlchemist wrote:why you dont trust blitz players for their skillshots It's all in the question really.
Even if you land 99% of your grabs, people will call you for the one you missed.
So depressing.
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Because that will remind them of the other 99 Blitz that missed 99% of their grabs. You can't fight deeply rooted traumatic experiences of their childhood. Or something like that.
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On August 28 2012 00:52 StateAlchemist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:50 Alaric wrote:On August 28 2012 00:47 StateAlchemist wrote:why you dont trust blitz players for their skillshots It's all in the question really. Even if you land 99% of your grabs, people will call you for the one you missed. So depressing.
I've been on the other side though - miss 90% of my grabs, but make the one lategame grab that instagibs their ad carry and wins us the game, "pro blitz"
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