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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 13:31:36
August 27 2012 13:28 GMT
#3201
You were wrong, MoonBear. They aren't playing 2 AP + Skarner, they're playing 3 burst champs + Skarner.

And a perfect Janna ult to split iG and send two flying to the tower. Unforgiving.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 27 2012 13:31 GMT
#3202
I saw that coming dont know why yorick stayed in lane :/
This was terrible for iG
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 27 2012 13:31 GMT
#3203
On August 27 2012 22:28 Alaric wrote:
You were wrong, MoonBear. They aren't playing 2 AP + Skarner, they're playing 3 burst champs + Skarner.

Double AP + Skarner + an AD with Burst like Corki/Ez/Graves. Exact same set up they used in OGN.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 13:33:20
August 27 2012 13:32 GMT
#3204
No harm intended, I was simply nitpicking about the burst that Graves put out on poor Corki right there bot.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 27 2012 13:34 GMT
#3205
On August 27 2012 22:32 Alaric wrote:
No harm intended, I was simply nitpicking about the burst that Graves put out on pour Corki right there bot.

CptJack loves Graves. Pretty predictable pick from him. K1d has been underwhelming as an AD Carry these few games. Losing MikakoTabe was a big deal for iG.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 27 2012 13:37 GMT
#3206
Locket of the Iron Solari first for Janna. I like.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 27 2012 13:39 GMT
#3207
Yorrick ghost useless on Yi when all his cooldowns are down as he revives. Also Corki nuked by Gragas while the rest of iG desperately tries to kill Skarner before he creeps back to his team. Strangely, they fail.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 27 2012 13:39 GMT
#3208
Skarner gets caught but so tanky. Baits iG into narrow chokepoint entrance into jungle behind their second top tower. Then they get hit by wombo combo of Graves+Vlad+Gragas AoE Ults.

3-0 clean sweep of iG by Azubu. Sheesh.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
August 27 2012 14:11 GMT
#3209
I was thinking (I know, bad). How good would Rammus support be? He has sick brush control, forcing the enemy lane to stay on the river side to not get powerballed. He prevents the enemy from aggression through the threat of taunt. He can go aggro with powerball and taunt. If he gets caught, defensive ball curl. He has a (somewhat) spammable ult with really good aoe damage which helps getting turrets.

On second thought, Shen can do everything of that too, has a ranged harass and global ult. But wouldn't Rammus be tankier without items with his skills? With gold Shen is superior for sure, but in a 0 cs meta support? Also, long as fuck single target taunt vs pretty short aoe taunt...
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 14:14:38
August 27 2012 14:13 GMT
#3210
^You ever saw a rolling rammus coming down the lane with powerball and than getting silenced by soraka right before he hits his target?
The saddest thing in the world in teamfights.
Cackle™
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 14:16:50
August 27 2012 14:16 GMT
#3211
The thing that makes me giggle the most along with Amumu bandaging your teammate into nothing, or Skarner/Kennen popping Shurelya/coke ball all to turn away with a mute bubble on top of them.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
August 27 2012 14:30 GMT
#3212
On August 27 2012 23:11 Celial wrote:
I was thinking (I know, bad). How good would Rammus support be? He has sick brush control, forcing the enemy lane to stay on the river side to not get powerballed. He prevents the enemy from aggression through the threat of taunt. He can go aggro with powerball and taunt. If he gets caught, defensive ball curl. He has a (somewhat) spammable ult with really good aoe damage which helps getting turrets.

On second thought, Shen can do everything of that too, has a ranged harass and global ult. But wouldn't Rammus be tankier without items with his skills? With gold Shen is superior for sure, but in a 0 cs meta support? Also, long as fuck single target taunt vs pretty short aoe taunt...


Back in season one a friend and I had something like a 80% winrate as rammus ashe bot at the 1300 elo range. Then I told a mutual high elo friend of ours who told us it was super dumb and only worked cause we were low elo and then we never did it again =(.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 14:36:57
August 27 2012 14:36 GMT
#3213
On August 27 2012 23:30 Vanka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 23:11 Celial wrote:
I was thinking (I know, bad). How good would Rammus support be? He has sick brush control, forcing the enemy lane to stay on the river side to not get powerballed. He prevents the enemy from aggression through the threat of taunt. He can go aggro with powerball and taunt. If he gets caught, defensive ball curl. He has a (somewhat) spammable ult with really good aoe damage which helps getting turrets.

On second thought, Shen can do everything of that too, has a ranged harass and global ult. But wouldn't Rammus be tankier without items with his skills? With gold Shen is superior for sure, but in a 0 cs meta support? Also, long as fuck single target taunt vs pretty short aoe taunt...


Back in season one a friend and I had something like a 80% winrate as rammus ashe bot at the 1300 elo range. Then I told a mutual high elo friend of ours who told us it was super dumb and only worked cause we were low elo and then we never did it again =(.

Rammus support I can agree it can sucks, because rammus needs a shittons of items to tank, and if not he is just useless.

But there is something I would like to ask, I played volibear support with friends a bit and it was really great. Was it a fluke too ? Anybody ever tried it ?
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 27 2012 14:41 GMT
#3214
support voli is cheesy. it does work up to very high elos as long as your ranged AD knows how to play it right though.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 14:46:54
August 27 2012 14:44 GMT
#3215
On August 27 2012 23:30 Vanka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 23:11 Celial wrote:
I was thinking (I know, bad). How good would Rammus support be? He has sick brush control, forcing the enemy lane to stay on the river side to not get powerballed. He prevents the enemy from aggression through the threat of taunt. He can go aggro with powerball and taunt. If he gets caught, defensive ball curl. He has a (somewhat) spammable ult with really good aoe damage which helps getting turrets.

On second thought, Shen can do everything of that too, has a ranged harass and global ult. But wouldn't Rammus be tankier without items with his skills? With gold Shen is superior for sure, but in a 0 cs meta support? Also, long as fuck single target taunt vs pretty short aoe taunt...

Back in season one a friend and I had something like a 80% winrate as rammus ashe bot at the 1300 elo range. Then I told a mutual high elo friend of ours who told us it was super dumb and only worked cause we were low elo and then we never did it again =(.

Let's apply some critical thinking here. What do we like about Ashe+Rammus bot lane?
  • Hard CC that allows you to punish people who position badly in lane or facecheck
  • Clear division of roles
  • Rammus provides zoning control while punishing people who attack him

Ok, so what do we not like?
  • Hard to burst people down and low damage potential early on so you risk being reverse-killed
  • You lose if someone all-ins you
  • No sustain
  • Things like Sorara silence kills you when Rammus tries to Powerball in to initiate because you have to get in close

So let's see if we can fix this and try and create a lane that does the same thing but with more consistency. First, let's change Rammus for another champion who can CC but still provide zoning control. Leona is also tanky and has defensive steriods, provides more burst damage, has lots of CC and has a gap closer. Sounds good. Now what about Ashe. Replacing her means you lose CC at level 6 but Leona more than makes up for it with her Solar Flare at lvl 6. So get someone with more burst and a smoother power curve who reliably proc Leona's Passive and help in an all-in situation. Let's say, Corki.

In other words, Rammus+Ashe is a less consistent version of Leona+Corki.

On August 27 2012 23:41 Mogwai wrote:
support voli is cheesy. it does work up to very high elos as long as your ranged AD knows how to play it right though.

Is very fun to watch and play though. Caitlyn shuts him down with traps though. Makes him eat free damage all day. Also needs an AD that can follow up on him properly. But mang, Voli is tanky and annoying even with few items. Get baited by passive all day.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 14:46:39
August 27 2012 14:44 GMT
#3216
On August 27 2012 23:11 Celial wrote:
I was thinking (I know, bad). How good would Rammus support be? He has sick brush control, forcing the enemy lane to stay on the river side to not get powerballed. He prevents the enemy from aggression through the threat of taunt. He can go aggro with powerball and taunt. If he gets caught, defensive ball curl. He has a (somewhat) spammable ult with really good aoe damage which helps getting turrets.

On second thought, Shen can do everything of that too, has a ranged harass and global ult. But wouldn't Rammus be tankier without items with his skills? With gold Shen is superior for sure, but in a 0 cs meta support? Also, long as fuck single target taunt vs pretty short aoe taunt...


Rammus doesn't have quite the sick brush control you think. Powerball is countered by wards or by simply standing amongst minions and dashing out just before Rammus arrives. Most supports also have abilities which make it difficult to land or make anything out of a Powerball, and Rammus is vulnerable while rolling.

It could work in theory, but ultimately it seems like an inferior version of Leona support.

e;fb by the not MoonBear.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 27 2012 14:48 GMT
#3217
I really need to learn Leona, she seems like one of the better supports for solo queue alongside Blitz. Big playmaker with free tankiness is not a bad thing, every time I see her she feels like a better version of Taric.
It's your boy Guzma!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 27 2012 14:50 GMT
#3218
I tend to prefer Alistar to Leona because people in soloQ are dumb and even if they don't know how/when to commit I still have sustain with Ali, and I find him better when you just need to gtfo (read: he can cc somebody, walk out and survive more easily than Leona).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
August 27 2012 14:50 GMT
#3219
i just want an excuse to play my full metal rammus =(

but yeah the way moonbear puts it makes sadly sense. like ls said a couple pages back: if you wanna win, no sense in doing anything less than optimal in any given situation =/
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 27 2012 14:51 GMT
#3220
On August 27 2012 23:44 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 23:41 Mogwai wrote:
support voli is cheesy. it does work up to very high elos as long as your ranged AD knows how to play it right though.

Is very fun to watch and play though. Caitlyn shuts him down with traps though. Makes him eat free damage all day. Also needs an AD that can follow up on him properly. But mang, Voli is tanky and annoying even with few items. Get baited by passive all day.

if picking support voli baits the opposing team into playing Cait, it's probably worth it. I can say that I'd honestly rather have a support voli than a ranged AD Cait late in the game, lol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
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