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[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 141

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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 19:43:25
August 25 2012 19:43 GMT
#2801
On August 25 2012 21:51 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Am I the only one who sucks with Graves

MF is still the best ranged dps of all time

omg me and you the same <3s

Ezreal changes make me happy. Triforce returnssssssss
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
August 25 2012 19:45 GMT
#2802
Ok, so I have a serious question.
Right after Dyrus crushed face with Kayle in some IPL or whatever everyone started playing Kayle - why did they stop?
wat
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 25 2012 19:50 GMT
#2803
On August 26 2012 04:45 EquilasH wrote:
Ok, so I have a serious question.
Right after Dyrus crushed face with Kayle in some IPL or whatever everyone started playing Kayle - why did they stop?

Not sure but I'm glad they did. She's super obnoxious to play against
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
AUGcodon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada536 Posts
August 25 2012 19:54 GMT
#2804
I think I heard from oddone that they only like to run kayle together with noc and karthus.
2809-8732-2116/ Fighting/ Mienfoo, Tyrogue, Sawk
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
August 25 2012 20:02 GMT
#2805
TSM like to play certain chain combos together, Yorick/Cass, Kayle/Karthus, Ken/Vlad based on their opposition. I'm fairly certain most of it has to do with trying to keep them fresh and not overuse them all, though it could be that they don't fit into their current style.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 25 2012 20:16 GMT
#2806
On August 26 2012 04:45 EquilasH wrote:
Ok, so I have a serious question.
Right after Dyrus crushed face with Kayle in some IPL or whatever everyone started playing Kayle - why did they stop?

because he stopped playing kayle and fanboyism mode got shut down
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
August 25 2012 20:22 GMT
#2807
Also, Darius came out.
twitch.tv/cratonz
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 20:30:44
August 25 2012 20:22 GMT
#2808
I'm not asking why Dyrus specifically stopped playing Kayle, but people seem to know she's strong as fuck - that still doesn't change the fact that no one plays her..


On August 26 2012 05:22 Craton wrote:
Also, Darius came out.


Why would this have any impact? Afaik, Kayle is a counter to Darius.
wat
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 20:34:41
August 25 2012 20:34 GMT
#2809
guess i can stop practicing rengar in normal drafts lol. hes real bad, you shouldnt play him.

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Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
August 25 2012 20:39 GMT
#2810
On August 26 2012 05:34 Vaporized wrote:
guess i can stop practicing rengar in normal drafts lol. hes real bad, you shouldnt play him.

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[image loading]


This explains everything.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
August 25 2012 20:42 GMT
#2811
On August 25 2012 17:41 Node wrote:
Man, is it just me or has Graves been nerfed at least every other patch since he was released? Really makes you realize how ludicrously OP he was when he came out.


I'm pretty sure the fact he was instantly blowing you up at level 6 when he first came out (provided he hadn't killed you with buckshot yet) was when people realized how stupid overpowered he was.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
August 25 2012 20:44 GMT
#2812
On August 26 2012 05:42 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 17:41 Node wrote:
Man, is it just me or has Graves been nerfed at least every other patch since he was released? Really makes you realize how ludicrously OP he was when he came out.


I'm pretty sure the fact he was instantly blowing you up at level 6 when he first came out (provided he hadn't killed you with buckshot yet) was when people realized how stupid overpowered he was.


I remember when he first came out, I would go graves mid with all ad runepage and beat many casters is burst dmg lol
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
August 25 2012 20:51 GMT
#2813
i felt like corki and graves were fine...

graves already naturally has a low attackspeed so why mess with that....
wat wat in my pants
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 25 2012 21:11 GMT
#2814
On August 26 2012 05:51 heroyi wrote:
i felt like corki and graves were fine...

graves already naturally has a low attackspeed so why mess with that....

Huh? Graves attackspeed and attackspeed growth are about average.
Remember Violet.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 25 2012 21:13 GMT
#2815
Graves is fine the only annoying thing is his lvl6 burst with taric, smokescreen can be really annoying, and his passive is annoying. But it's just that, annoying. Except for his lvl6 taric/leona burst. He has low range, he needs to somewhat push to keep his passive up etc. He doesn't even see that much play in tourneys.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 25 2012 21:15 GMT
#2816
Graves is fine except for smokescreen which is a bullshit ability.
Remember Violet.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 21:31:15
August 25 2012 21:23 GMT
#2817
On August 26 2012 06:13 JackDino wrote:
Graves is fine the only annoying thing is his lvl6 burst with taric, smokescreen can be really annoying, and his passive is annoying. But it's just that, annoying. Except for his lvl6 taric/leona burst. He has low range, he needs to somewhat push to keep his passive up etc. He doesn't even see that much play in tourneys.


I am pretty sure that he doesn't need to push to keep up his passive. He can cancel his attack animation and his passive will still stack*.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 25 2012 21:24 GMT
#2818
On August 26 2012 06:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Graves is fine except for smokescreen which is a bullshit ability.


Yeah, Smokescreen like the strongest ability in the game as far as soloqueue is concerned.

Way way way too strong.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
August 25 2012 21:28 GMT
#2819
On August 26 2012 06:23 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 06:13 JackDino wrote:
Graves is fine the only annoying thing is his lvl6 burst with taric, smokescreen can be really annoying, and his passive is annoying. But it's just that, annoying. Except for his lvl6 taric/leona burst. He has low range, he needs to somewhat push to keep his passive up etc. He doesn't even see that much play in tourneys.


I am pretty sure that he doesn't need to push to keep up his passive. He can cancel his attack animation and his passive will still stuck.


I've heard this, but I've never been able to do this.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 25 2012 21:32 GMT
#2820
On August 26 2012 05:34 Vaporized wrote:
guess i can stop practicing rengar in normal drafts lol. hes real bad, you shouldnt play him.

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[image loading]

It's still just low ELO normals.

I could probably stomp with about any hero take a picture of it and call it beast mode
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