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Hakanfrog
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden690 Posts
August 25 2012 11:13 GMT
#2761
I really don´t mind if they just nerf Graves to Eve status, he is such a bullshit champion to play against.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 11:38:03
August 25 2012 11:19 GMT
#2762
All this Graves hating, he's not even that "broken" compared to Ez, when talking about ad carries.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 25 2012 11:36 GMT
#2763
As long as graves has smoke screen and 2 massive aoe skills he will never be bad lol.
Also rengar is even more shittier than I thought.
Cackle™
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
August 25 2012 11:38 GMT
#2764
On August 25 2012 20:00 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 18:51 Chexx wrote:
how do you train/learn new champions ? normal blind pick?

I usually go normal 5s with guys from LP, if you can do that it's perfect, because you can actually play in a team that makes sense as a whole. After 3-5 games I go to ranked though, normals are really only to get hang of abilities and stuff.

>normal 5s with guys from LP
>a team that makes sense
wat
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21734 Posts
August 25 2012 11:53 GMT
#2765
The problem with Graves is his Kit which is build like a bruiser while he scales as an AD carry.

His passive gives him tanky stats to win trades, His Buckshot is really easy to land and smokescreen being both a slow and reducing vision so much makes him so very good.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 25 2012 11:55 GMT
#2766
he can also get jumped on and hit by AOE very easily, his laning is not that great and very easily countered because he has to push.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
August 25 2012 12:02 GMT
#2767
froggen 17-3 with stinger warmog lichbane anivia.

"froggen stop please"
"god..."
"i love u..."

and as soon as he picks anivia, someone on enemy team dodges lmao koreans too funny.
GANDHISAUCE
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
August 25 2012 12:02 GMT
#2768
There is almost nothing wrong with graves in his current state other than that, like corki, he has no weakness in lane other than his 525 range. He has burst, sustained damage, mobility and utility and additionally, some measure of tankiness. They're hitting his sustained damage now (and indirectly his mobility, just slightly since Quickdraw's cd is reduced by attacking).

They've hit every single one of those since release except mobility. He's by no means the be all end all of ADs, his short range stops him short of that but it's a challenge getting ADs out of the triumvirate of ez/corki/graves.

I really don't see what the hate on graves is about though. He's strong, his smokescreen is the strongest single skill on an AD carry but he's by no means invincible.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
August 25 2012 12:03 GMT
#2769
he's also like the easiest ad to play so his op-ness shines through much more often
TranslatorBaa!
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
August 25 2012 12:28 GMT
#2770
The only thing I wish they remove from the game is that ridiculous Smoke Screen ability. So it blocks vision to the outside, alright, it also does aoe damage. Of course that's not enough, give it a slow. Worst thing is that it causes huge fps drops on my poor pc when I am standing inside it.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 25 2012 12:39 GMT
#2771
I agree that fps dropz component from smokescreen is OP.
Cackle™
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 25 2012 12:51 GMT
#2772
Am I the only one who sucks with Graves

MF is still the best ranged dps of all time
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 13:33:37
August 25 2012 13:30 GMT
#2773
Oh and i must have missed the part where they explain why ez mobility can stay the same between the 3 most played ads. corki can jump too often? what? his valk doesn't get reset by kills (trist), shortened cd by skillshots (ez) or even shooting (graves).

Graves got nerfed through the attackspeed change, corki gets outright higher cd, trist doesn't get played nearly enough anyway


and the guy above me: well, at least she's a bitch to lane against lol.
Wish i could figure out how other people hit her bounces so damn well.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 25 2012 13:43 GMT
#2774
On August 25 2012 22:30 snow2.0 wrote:
Oh and i must have missed the part where they explain why ez mobility can stay the same between the 3 most played ads. corki can jump too often? what? his valk doesn't get reset by kills (trist), shortened cd by skillshots (ez) or even shooting (graves).

Graves got nerfed through the attackspeed change, corki gets outright higher cd, trist doesn't get played nearly enough anyway


and the guy above me: well, at least she's a bitch to lane against lol.
Wish i could figure out how other people hit her bounces so damn well.


Well, because his pass through (no)skillshot is being nerfed in damage. He clearly wont shit on Kog etc in trades anymore...

wait...
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 25 2012 13:54 GMT
#2775
You don't want to get a bounce on them as MF, you max W, struts up to them, press W and aa->Q->aa and then unless they're Graves or something you won.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
August 25 2012 13:57 GMT
#2776
On August 25 2012 22:54 Alaric wrote:
You don't want to get a bounce on them as MF, you max W, struts up to them, press W and aa->Q->aa and then unless they're Graves or something you won.


What Graves lane wins against MF/Taric?
wat
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 25 2012 14:04 GMT
#2777
Dunno, it should win against sustain/AS lanes since you can use Q as an aa reset and stack your WW super-fast, plus you reduce healing, but I've always found that this kind of combo loses to burst lane (a bit like Ezreal against Graves) because they don't care about who attacks faster if they can just unload their damage without relying on AS (Corki, Graves, Sivir).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 14:46:45
August 25 2012 14:42 GMT
#2778
Froggen carrying pretty hard with Lux on his stream o.O

Edit: Although I haven't played that much Miss Fortune I don't think I've lost a lane as MF/Taric except when one of us majorly fucked up, but maybe that's because I mostly played it in normals ^-^
wat
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 15:22:55
August 25 2012 15:09 GMT
#2779
On August 25 2012 21:02 De4ngus wrote:
froggen 17-3 with stinger warmog lichbane anivia.

"froggen stop please"
"god..."
"i love u..."

and as soon as he picks anivia, someone on enemy team dodges lmao koreans too funny.

On August 25 2012 23:42 EquilasH wrote:
Froggen carrying pretty hard with Lux on his stream o.O

Edit: Although I haven't played that much Miss Fortune I don't think I've lost a lane as MF/Taric except when one of us majorly fucked up, but maybe that's because I mostly played it in normals ^-^

Haha I guess he got tired of people dodging on the chance they were facing his anivia.

One thing I've noticed since my elo started rising is the change in little things people do. Hard leashes and invade spotting is much better. River wards no longer just go in the river brush, they go a bit farther. Lane ganking used to be non existent and now it happens every 2 games.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
August 25 2012 15:46 GMT
#2780
I'm just glad they aren't nerfing my Gragas too hard. 50-75 Mana cost on his E will mean he won't have unlimited dashes for running away, but he still Bursts just as hard and still has great utility
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
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