I usually go normal 5s with guys from LP, if you can do that it's perfect, because you can actually play in a team that makes sense as a whole. After 3-5 games I go to ranked though, normals are really only to get hang of abilities and stuff.

>normal 5s with guys from LP
>a team that makes sense
wat

Gorsameth

Netherlands22578 Posts

August 25 2012 11:53 GMT

#2765

The problem with Graves is his Kit which is build like a bruiser while he scales as an AD carry.

His passive gives him tanky stats to win trades, His Buckshot is really easy to land and smokescreen being both a slow and reducing vision so much makes him so very good.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

August 25 2012 11:55 GMT

#2766

he can also get jumped on and hit by AOE very easily, his laning is not that great and very easily countered because he has to push.

De4ngus

United States6533 Posts

August 25 2012 12:02 GMT

#2767

froggen 17-3 with stinger warmog lichbane anivia.

"froggen stop please"
"god..."
"i love u..."

and as soon as he picks anivia, someone on enemy team dodges lmao koreans too funny.

Lmui

Canada6223 Posts

August 25 2012 12:02 GMT

#2768

There is almost nothing wrong with graves in his current state other than that, like corki, he has no weakness in lane other than his 525 range. He has burst, sustained damage, mobility and utility and additionally, some measure of tankiness. They're hitting his sustained damage now (and indirectly his mobility, just slightly since Quickdraw's cd is reduced by attacking).

They've hit every single one of those since release except mobility. He's by no means the be all end all of ADs, his short range stops him short of that but it's a challenge getting ADs out of the triumvirate of ez/corki/graves.

I really don't see what the hate on graves is about though. He's strong, his smokescreen is the strongest single skill on an AD carry but he's by no means invincible.

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21247 Posts

August 25 2012 12:03 GMT

#2769

he's also like the easiest ad to play so his op-ness shines through much more often

h3r1n6

Iceland2039 Posts

August 25 2012 12:28 GMT

#2770

The only thing I wish they remove from the game is that ridiculous Smoke Screen ability. So it blocks vision to the outside, alright, it also does aoe damage. Of course that's not enough, give it a slow. Worst thing is that it causes huge fps drops on my poor pc when I am standing inside it.

TheKefka

Croatia11752 Posts

August 25 2012 12:39 GMT

#2771

I agree that fps dropz component from smokescreen is OP.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

August 25 2012 12:51 GMT

#2772

Am I the only one who sucks with Graves

MF is still the best ranged dps of all time

snow2.0

Germany2073 Posts

August 25 2012 13:30 GMT

#2773

Oh and i must have missed the part where they explain why ez mobility can stay the same between the 3 most played ads. corki can jump too often? what? his valk doesn't get reset by kills (trist), shortened cd by skillshots (ez) or even shooting (graves).

Graves got nerfed through the attackspeed change, corki gets outright higher cd, trist doesn't get played nearly enough anyway

and the guy above me: well, at least she's a bitch to lane against lol.
Wish i could figure out how other people hit her bounces so damn well.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

August 25 2012 13:43 GMT

#2774

On August 25 2012 22:30 snow2.0 wrote:
Oh and i must have missed the part where they explain why ez mobility can stay the same between the 3 most played ads. corki can jump too often? what? his valk doesn't get reset by kills (trist), shortened cd by skillshots (ez) or even shooting (graves).

Graves got nerfed through the attackspeed change, corki gets outright higher cd, trist doesn't get played nearly enough anyway

and the guy above me: well, at least she's a bitch to lane against lol.
Wish i could figure out how other people hit her bounces so damn well.

Well, because his pass through (no)skillshot is being nerfed in damage. He clearly wont shit on Kog etc in trades anymore...

wait...

Alaric

France45622 Posts

August 25 2012 13:54 GMT

#2775

You don't want to get a bounce on them as MF, you max W, struts up to them, press W and aa->Q->aa and then unless they're Graves or something you won.

EquilasH

Denmark2142 Posts

August 25 2012 13:57 GMT

#2776

On August 25 2012 22:54 Alaric wrote:
You don't want to get a bounce on them as MF, you max W, struts up to them, press W and aa->Q->aa and then unless they're Graves or something you won.

What Graves lane wins against MF/Taric?

Alaric

France45622 Posts

August 25 2012 14:04 GMT

#2777

Dunno, it should win against sustain/AS lanes since you can use Q as an aa reset and stack your WW super-fast, plus you reduce healing, but I've always found that this kind of combo loses to burst lane (a bit like Ezreal against Graves) because they don't care about who attacks faster if they can just unload their damage without relying on AS (Corki, Graves, Sivir).

EquilasH

Denmark2142 Posts

August 25 2012 14:42 GMT

#2778

Froggen carrying pretty hard with Lux on his stream o.O

Edit: Although I haven't played that much Miss Fortune I don't think I've lost a lane as MF/Taric except when one of us majorly fucked up, but maybe that's because I mostly played it in normals ^-^

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

August 25 2012 15:09 GMT

#2779

On August 25 2012 21:02 De4ngus wrote:
froggen 17-3 with stinger warmog lichbane anivia.

"froggen stop please"
"god..."
"i love u..."

and as soon as he picks anivia, someone on enemy team dodges lmao koreans too funny.

On August 25 2012 23:42 EquilasH wrote:
Froggen carrying pretty hard with Lux on his stream o.O

Edit: Although I haven't played that much Miss Fortune I don't think I've lost a lane as MF/Taric except when one of us majorly fucked up, but maybe that's because I mostly played it in normals ^-^

Haha I guess he got tired of people dodging on the chance they were facing his anivia.

One thing I've noticed since my elo started rising is the change in little things people do. Hard leashes and invade spotting is much better. River wards no longer just go in the river brush, they go a bit farther. Lane ganking used to be non existent and now it happens every 2 games.

57 Corvette

Canada5941 Posts

August 25 2012 15:46 GMT

#2780

I'm just glad they aren't nerfing my Gragas too hard. 50-75 Mana cost on his E will mean he won't have unlimited dashes for running away, but he still Bursts just as hard and still has great utility