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My thoughts:
Abyssal Sceptre: The range looks like it got changed from 1000 to ~750. It'll be really painful for champions like ahri with spells that extend beyond the range of abyssal's aura. It'll still be good but primarily on champions like kennen but the roster of AP mids that can use it reliably just dropped pretty hard.
I wasn't expecting the nerf to graves' base attackspeed, just the quickdraw. His base attackspeed is already pretty low at .638 vs the ~.658 of most other AD carries. I'm guessing that it's the AS per level that's going down from +2.9% to 2.7 or 2.8% so that his early game is still just as good but it trails off a bit. (Also, TIL, corki's AS/level scaling is atrocious, +2.3%, no wonder he's a caster as much as he is an AD)
The corki valk change kind of surprised me. I don't think that it'll make any serious difference since in lane, you use it once and you're oom and lategame, you generally only get to use it once except for cleanup.
Ezreal - An array of confusing changes. Making W match the particle is a nerf but I don't think that justifies the buff to his Q. W will still be maxed first. I think they should've adjusted the AS debuff duration, similar to nunu rather than buffing Q to make maxing Q seem like a better idea.
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On August 25 2012 14:23 Vaporized wrote:
i really dont see why any of you care what i build. you all are free to build rengar however you want. if you dont like my build then dont use it, its as simple as that.
You're the one who chose to post your build.
If you want us to read your build, you should expect it to be critiqued. That's the only real reason to post it to begin with. Did you just expect people to follow it and praise you?
On August 25 2012 14:23 Vaporized wrote:
rengar is naturally fairly tanky, especially with his w on. frozen mallet makes those resists even more useful, and the sustain from bt lets you fight toe to toe with champs that either build sustain or have it in their kits like lee sin. the additional attack speed from your q means you are getting a lot of life steal from bt either in a 1v1 or in a similiar small skirmish. rengar scales insanely well with ad, bt is both the highest ad item in the game, and provides a nice bit life steal which you need to beat certain champs.
I actually think Mallet is a good item for him. I just think that given the way Ferocity works, 40% CDR is a priority. And planning around having Bloodthirster money after that is somewhat reckless. NO jungler can plan around getting a BF item, even though quite a few can get one in situations where you're fed. An item like Maw is a much more practical buy out of the jungle than Bloodthirster.
I would build something like Boots->1-2 DBlades->Bruta/Necklace/Visage->Aegis->Mallet/Maw/Ghostblade in some order
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Wave, you ready for dem Eve changes?
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On August 25 2012 14:53 Requizen wrote:
Wave, you ready for dem Eve changes?
They're not needed IMO.
Eve doesn't need to be better in teamfights. She needs people to play the type of gank-oriented teamcomps that she's actually good in.
Not every champion needs to be a strong teamfighter and not every team-comp needs to be teamfight-oriented.
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The point of maxing W is for winning every allin / trade with the aspd debuff, not for the harrass(You run OOM too fast unless with soraka if you harrass spam with it).
This is basically a clear Ezreal buff(while nerfing other strong ADs) even though he already is the strongest AD. What on earth are they thinking?
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On August 25 2012 14:22 gtrsrs wrote:
when brees got perma-banned, was he removed from all his friends' lists?
I have a friend that got perma'd and he's still on my list.
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On August 25 2012 15:02 wussleeQ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 14:22 gtrsrs wrote:
when brees got perma-banned, was he removed from all his friends' lists? I have a friend that got perma'd and he's still on my list.
thank you!
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On August 25 2012 14:56 Shikyo wrote:
The point of maxing W is for winning every allin / trade with the aspd debuff, not for the harrass(You run OOM too fast unless with soraka if you harrass spam with it).
This is basically a clear Ezreal buff(while nerfing other strong ADs) even though he already is the strongest AD. What on earth are they thinking?
I dunno, if you're doing less damage with it, they can potentially trade back but not go into an extended auto-attack trade and maybe win/not lose as badly. (For example, just trading phos bomb + auto for essence+auto will clearly favor corki now, as long as corki disengages before taking it further, instead of being dead even but still forcing corki to also disengage.)
On August 25 2012 14:55 TheYango wrote:They're not needed IMO. Eve doesn't need to be better in teamfights. She needs people to play the type of gank-oriented teamcomps that she's actually good in. Not every champion needs to be a strong teamfighter and not every team-comp needs to be teamfight-oriented.
I dunno, the stealth radius tweak seems like itll help the ganks. Thing is, we already have some better champs if you want your mid or jungle to be gankariffic - usually by providing mobility, CC, and diving power rather than stealth (Ahri, Alistar, etc)
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Chat maintenence (can't invite people to games) and ranked temp disabled because of the maintenence on EUW  Can't solo Q, can't play normals with a bunch of friends...
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On August 25 2012 14:53 Requizen wrote:
Wave, you ready for dem Eve changes?
YES I posted and had a nerdgasm a few pages ago on this.
They're not needed IMO.
Eve doesn't need to be better in teamfights. She needs people to play the type of gank-oriented teamcomps that she's actually good in.
Not every champion needs to be a strong teamfighter and not every team-comp needs to be teamfight-oriented.
For the record, while I'm happy with these changes because I love Eve, I'm almost in agreement with Yango here. I think the issue Riot is having is that for whatever reason they REALLY don't want to revert her original base stats nerf so they're overbuffing her in other ways, which has now led to the AP mid style of play. She will be absolutely MASSIVE as AP with these buffs.
I think Riot really needs to decide what kind of champion they want her to be; either a gimmicky stealth jungler, or a burst nuker/laner. She's not like Diana; she does not have the kit to accomplish both jungling and laning effectively. Diana has the choice to build straight burst damage out of the jungle if she really wants to due to innate survivability from her kit and base stats. Evelynn can't do this because she has nothing in her kit that allows her to survive killing camps and coming out with some actual health left. Diana can afford to build tanky out of the jungle and still bring utility and a decent amount of damage to her ganks since she can gap-close extremely effectively and has a displacement/stun ability. Evelynn can build sustain/tankiness out of the jungle, but then she does no damage and since she has terrible ganking utility (including her ult, tbh) and a weak gapcloser, she needs to snowball EXTREMELY hard to be effective in this case.
Ultimately the AP mid variety of Eve is going to be way more effective because:
a) of her skills scaling more/better off AP,
b) the fact that her low base armor doesn't affect her in mid lane as much as it does in the jungle or top lane,
c) and because it allows her to play to her strengths. She can roam from midlane pretty quickly and unseen to wherever she wishes, and she brings actual burst damage to a gank to make up for her lack of utility.
My biggest problem with mid Eve these days is I can't figure out THE build on her. I've seen so many variations and tried them all and I can't seem to figure out which one suits her the most. Would appreciate some theorycraft on this one at some point....I've tried in the Eve thread but people tend to ignore it.
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O god yes finally nerfs to graves attackspeed.
Never got what was wrong with that, from the first announcement it was said he themed around his damn SHOTGUN and thus SLOWER than others. Now i'd still want to see him also be SHORTER, as was also anticipated.
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Or they could, ya know, make him not burst like an AP caster in lane.
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They are kind of hitting the wrong stuff with graves, but on the other hand, people always complain about how every champion has the same powercurve.
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'cept every champ doesn't have the same powercurve. Late game Vayne / Kog / Trist do much more damage than e.g. Sivir or Graves. Early game Urgot / Draven / MF damage crushes. Midgame Graves is stronger than Trist.
Same goes for every lane. Late game Irelia is better, Renekton midgame is better.
LeBlanc early / mid is better while Ryze is better late.
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wow silsol removed me out of the blue gg
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On August 25 2012 16:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wow silsol removed me out of the blue gg
He was hacked.
Also the one time someone else brings up Eve, I try to carry on a conversation about her and once again people ignore it. Sigh.
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On August 25 2012 16:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 16:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wow silsol removed me out of the blue gg He was hacked. Also the one time someone else brings up Eve, I try to carry on a conversation about her and once again people ignore it. Sigh.
still don't think she got buffed where she needs it, i.e base stats.
she just dies when the wind blows too hard
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On August 25 2012 14:41 Lmui wrote:
My thoughts:
Abyssal Sceptre: The range looks like it got changed from 1000 to ~750. It'll be really painful for champions like ahri with spells that extend beyond the range of abyssal's aura. It'll still be good but primarily on champions like kennen but the roster of AP mids that can use it reliably just dropped pretty hard.
I wasn't expecting the nerf to graves' base attackspeed, just the quickdraw. His base attackspeed is already pretty low at .638 vs the ~.658 of most other AD carries. I'm guessing that it's the AS per level that's going down from +2.9% to 2.7 or 2.8% so that his early game is still just as good but it trails off a bit. (Also, TIL, corki's AS/level scaling is atrocious, +2.3%, no wonder he's a caster as much as he is an AD)
The corki valk change kind of surprised me. I don't think that it'll make any serious difference since in lane, you use it once and you're oom and lategame, you generally only get to use it once except for cleanup.
Ezreal - An array of confusing changes. Making W match the particle is a nerf but I don't think that justifies the buff to his Q. W will still be maxed first. I think they should've adjusted the AS debuff duration, similar to nunu rather than buffing Q to make maxing Q seem like a better idea.
It's a pretty big nerf imo. Taking damage you shouldnt have because the particle is actually twice its size is dumb as fuck. lower mana cost on q is always a ncie change though
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