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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 23 2012 04:48 barbsq wrote: lol, can u link it? I have a morbid interest to see the ignorance and bigotry inevitable in that kind of thread. (i don't actually know how to navigate reddit, lol) Why I think NA is overrating the Korean/Asian Teams from a top rated Korean Player | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 23 2012 04:48 barbsq wrote: lol, can u link it? I have a morbid interest to see the ignorance and bigotry inevitable in that kind of thread. (i don't actually know how to navigate reddit, lol) http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ylcyh/why_i_think_na_is_overrating_the_koreanasian/ It's pretty difficult to read all the ignorance. I think it's because the LoL community is pretty new to esports, they haven't really had any experience or knowledge of any other esports, especially well ran esports like SC:BW. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On August 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote: That's kinda the problem that we were discussing before the whole riven thing kinda went out of control (i will take my fair share of responsibility, lol). Both of those champs have a very similar playstyle imo, being that they both have laning phases where very few, if any, champs can properly exploit any of their weakness (to the point of preventing their lategame power) have mobility, gank resistance, and boatloads of free dmg, and then riven has her shield and irelia has her healing. Are they exactly the same? No, of course not, but they seem to have similar design philosophies, and that was kinda what that post was talking about, and how it relates to the overall problem with top lane in which you have a champion that is strong mid + lategame (either via utility, or straight dmg, or both) that you simply cannot stop, barring a huge skill differential(which is a problem that i think is overstated, but i agree it's there to some extent). I think Riven might be stronger late game. But it's top lane so jungler wins the lane, not that bad. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On August 23 2012 04:57 UniversalSnip wrote: You know, honestly, I know nobody else is going to share this opinion, but I kind of wish all the lanes were as brutal as top. So everyone would understand the pain? =( | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 23 2012 04:57 AsmodeusXI wrote: So everyone would understand the pain? =( I get why it's not for everybody but aside from getting camped by the jungler... I really like how good play can turn the lane into a total shutout. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On August 23 2012 04:58 UniversalSnip wrote: I get why it's not for everybody but aside from getting camped by the jungler... I really like how good play can turn the lane into a total shutout. Honestly, I would appreciate if more people just understood the brutality of how hard one can lose top... MIGHT make people think twice before whining (wishful thinking). I understand what you're saying though... good play really does have some of the greatest rewards in top lane. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 23 2012 04:57 AsmodeusXI wrote: So everyone would understand the pain? =( Bot lane can become as brutal as toplane. One could possibly argue even more so, because the denial of farm on an AD carry has a much larger impact than the denial of farm for a bruiser on top. | ||
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seanisgrand
United States1039 Posts
You're on an island, you should only rely on yourself. Don't play like a dumbass. I think that's actually pretty good advice for any lane. Don't play like a dumbass. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On August 23 2012 05:05 seanisgrand wrote: IMO people want top lane because they think it's a glory lane. Then they get camped or feed and they revert to blaming jungler/team because they aren't accountable. You're on an island, you should only rely on yourself. Don't play like a dumbass. I think that's actually pretty good advice for any lane. Don't play like a dumbass. If only it were so simple. I consider myself to be a fairly thoughtful and intelligent person/player, and I can't help being a dumbass with some relative frequency. And then there are actual stupid people. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 23 2012 04:58 UniversalSnip wrote: I get why it's not for everybody but aside from getting camped by the jungler... I really like how good play can turn the lane into a total shutout. Good play can turn any lane into a shutout, it's just somewhat harder mid/bottom. Ultimately I like how completely shutting down an opponent is difficult because it gives teamwork and the mid-game more value. Otherwise "win lane, win game" would be the nature of things, and that's more boring (both as a player and a spectator). | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 23 2012 05:05 seanisgrand wrote: IMO people want top lane because they think it's a glory lane. Then they get camped or feed and they revert to blaming jungler/team because they aren't accountable. You're on an island, you should only rely on yourself. Don't play like a dumbass. I think that's actually pretty good advice for any lane. Don't play like a dumbass. It's not that simple. Say you play carefully and don't overextend if the jungler could be around. This allows the opponent to get 15 minions ahead of you, come back with an extra doran blade, and then they will get further and further behind and before you know it you lost a lane, mostly because of not taking any risks. If you take that risk and the jungler doesn't come, you're even again or might even win, whereas if you don't take the risk and the jungler was camping, you will make them waste time and your team takes advantage elsewhere. It's not just a black-and-white type of a good or bad play situation, you have incomplete information so you will need to take risks, sometimes it doesn't pay off. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 23 2012 05:12 Seuss wrote: Good play can turn any lane into a shutout, it's just somewhat harder mid/bottom. Ultimately I like how completely shutting down an opponent is difficult because it gives teamwork and the mid-game more value. Otherwise "win lane, win game" would be the nature of things, and that's more boring (both as a player and a spectator). I guess what I'm saying is, I'm ok with teamwork and the mid-game having less value. I think they're important enough right now that there's room to shift value onto laning without making those things at all unimportant. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 23 2012 04:42 barbsq wrote: I don't think the problem is big enough to warrant a change in game mechanics. A) it will affect other lanes too, B) I honestly don't think there's an overall problem with top lane, just that some top laners are problematic, and need to be remade, regardless of how 'good' or 'bad' they are. some new items might alleviate some problems as well. Yeah you're probably right that riot won't change the game. Hopefully they're just going to change some champs like Riven and Garen because "their ults are on too short of a cooldown and they are manaless so they don't need to think about when they use the ults." Sucks for Riven players but it doesn't affect me  | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 23 2012 05:28 obesechicken13 wrote: Yeah you're probably right that riot won't change the game. Hopefully they're just going to change some champs like Riven and Garen because "their ults are on too short of a cooldown and they are manaless so they don't need to think about when they use the ults." Sucks for Riven players but it doesn't affect me Garen's ult isn't on a short CD lol, 160/120/80 isn't what I'd call "short" by any means, especially looking at Riven at 75/60/45. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
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Hakanfrog
Sweden690 Posts
.@Dusty The CD is really short in the early game aswell. For all the damage and range it gives it´s quite insane, when I play Riven I feel like I have it up everytime I need it. It makes laning vs Riven really brutal. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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