[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 111

On August 23 2012 08:00 Wolfstan wrote:
Barbsq:
I was more talking about how riot should encourage more interaction between laners than what champion gets chosen during picks/bans. I know there should be a certain level of excitement at character select screen as counters get chosen and comps take shape, but the majority of advantage should be gained in-game.

http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=16914

This is a guide that riot should strive to have for at least a dozen top laners, approaching the lane with a day9 coined "mid-game plan". Depending on the opponent you will have goals, build adjustments, timings whether in items or levels, just general in-game counterplay that can be applied. Also to note is many Riven lanes have "defining moments" where you won or lost a lane just like a starcraft game, I have never had a lane loss where I felt like better play from myself wouldn't have made a difference.

I cringe when an approach to a matchup is:
"cry, you were counterpicked, hope you like farming under tower"(Yorick is worst for this) or
"take a nap, avoid ganks and enjoy going into teamfights 6/0.

I want:
"you have advantage till lvl 9, where trades start to go into his favor"
"shove and roam, they have terrible wave clearing"
"you advantage diminishes as they get armor"
"then lane is heavily influenced by <insert skillshot>"
"trade down, shove the lane, and use your lvl 6 to finish as you ding your ultimate 3 mobs before him"

On August 23 2012 08:11 ninjakingcola wrote:



Aww man, you linked to the guide I use for Riven, now everyone's gonna know how to beat her

On August 23 2012 08:24 arb wrote:


I've always wondered why does rivens thing say this : Riven's abilities charge her blade, causing her basic attacks to deal 5/15/25/35/45/55/65/75/85/95/105/115/125/135/145/155/165/175 (+100% of bonus attack damage) bonus physical damage. Riven's blade may be charged up to 3 times and expends one charge per attack.

when in game its clearly not anywhere near that high?

On August 23 2012 08:00 Wolfstan wrote:
Barbsq:
I was more talking about how riot should encourage more interaction between laners than what champion gets chosen during picks/bans. I know there should be a certain level of excitement at character select screen as counters get chosen and comps take shape, but the majority of advantage should be gained in-game.

http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=16914

This is a guide that riot should strive to have for at least a dozen top laners, approaching the lane with a day9 coined "mid-game plan". Depending on the opponent you will have goals, build adjustments, timings whether in items or levels, just general in-game counterplay that can be applied. Also to note is many Riven lanes have "defining moments" where you won or lost a lane just like a starcraft game, I have never had a lane loss where I felt like better play from myself wouldn't have made a difference.

I cringe when an approach to a matchup is:
"cry, you were counterpicked, hope you like farming under tower"(Yorick is worst for this) or
"take a nap, avoid ganks and enjoy going into teamfights 6/0.

I want:
"you have advantage till lvl 9, where trades start to go into his favor"
"shove and roam, they have terrible wave clearing"
"you advantage diminishes as they get armor"
"then lane is heavily influenced by <insert skillshot>"
"trade down, shove the lane, and use your lvl 6 to finish as you ding your ultimate 3 mobs before him"

On August 23 2012 08:56 Requizen wrote:
FUCK. GUYS. THEY KNOW. THEY KNOW ABOUT THE SMASH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd_oJ9AnQuM

On August 23 2012 08:00 Wolfstan wrote:
I want:
"you have advantage till lvl 9, where trades start to go into his favor"
"shove and roam, they have terrible wave clearing"
"you advantage diminishes as they get armor"
"then lane is heavily influenced by <insert skillshot>"
"trade down, shove the lane, and use your lvl 6 to finish as you ding your ultimate 3 mobs before him"

On August 23 2012 09:02 101toss wrote:

If you're 16 and 0 in 15 minutes you deserve to solo baron. Also blue buff was given and glacial was skipped. Probably wouldn't happen in a real game.

Also, the lack of gp/5s and buying wards :s

Also, that baron attempt seemed very luck based (correct me if I'm wrong)

On August 23 2012 09:05 kainzero wrote:

i think that you don't get those interactions because a lot of the time, one or two deaths can really snowball in one person's favor.
it could be like "yeah, once irelia builds wits end then she goes from losing trades to winning trades against xxx champion." but if she gets one or two early kills, she's now up 1 or 2 levels, has wits end, and 20 more cs and it becomes impossible to fight zoning without jungle intervention.

i don't know what a workable solution would be. itemization, maybe.

On August 23 2012 09:26 arb wrote:

I could see it happening, aslong as baron was clear and you had some way to ensure top/their jungle wouldnt come stop you

On August 23 2012 07:43 iCanada wrote:
So I changed my mind about Rengar.

Rofl.

If you dont get fed early he just friggen garbage. Its not even like you can just be content with outfarming the other jungler. Like literally he just can't teamfight at all.