Dianas mechanics seem similar to udyr in jungling: third hit AoE, a shield, AoE damage (from getting hit with the shield), a shield. We'd have to see her numbers to see if she has to be built ap though. A spammable gap closer is similar enough to a spammable move boost+stun. It's very likely she has nowhere near the base damage of udyr.

Nikon

Bulgaria5710 Posts

August 07 2012 10:43 GMT

#1404

All this talk about Diana jungling makes me not want to buy her. I hate jungling, it's even worse than supporting.

TheKefka

Croatia11752 Posts

August 07 2012 10:52 GMT

#1405

Don't worry,diana won't be a jungler anyway,she's most likely going to have a similar life as fizz had,where no one really knew where to put him,people jungled him,played top and mid and eventually that's just where he ended up now.
I'm pretty sure diana will be a mid lane.

Lmui

Canada6223 Posts

August 07 2012 10:53 GMT

#1406

Diana mid is actually pretty retardedly strong post-6. You can abuse her harder than you can abuse morde since all she has early is her Q which isn't all that hard to avoid if you're at the far end of it.

At 6 though, the diana I faced just spammed Q's until she hit one and then immediately went all in. One point in shield, one in the suck-in thing and 3x in her Q. It's not on the zyra level of damage but it's pretty close. Q->ult+ignite->shield, moonfall if you run, ult if you flash. If she gets off two passive charges, she'll melt your face, it's pretty scary.

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

August 07 2012 10:54 GMT

#1407

Alex Ich is currently playing her mid if you want to watch that.

Lmui

Canada6223 Posts

August 07 2012 11:31 GMT

#1408

Alright so I'm down over 150 ELO in 2 days.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24995653#history

I think playing anything past 1am PST is a crapshoot.
The two games I won in there are
1: 2 afks on other team, 1 afk on ours. autowin
2: Enemy lastpick decides to not support and goes tele revive karth and runs and autos mid tower

The difference in skill from 1650 to 1500 is stupid though. I had a nunu sit in the bottom lane brush, not moving, get Q'd by ezreal 5 times in a row because they had a ward in there and then finally EQW auto for the free kill. He loved snowballing the taric, bloodboiling creeps and running to ward dragon when the enemy duo is pushed to our tower.

Also had a jax who had sub-40cs in a 20 minute surrender where he got FB'd and then literally walked to lane to counterstrike, empower a creep, leap on another and then die.

Derps ahoy at 3AM!

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21247 Posts

August 07 2012 11:35 GMT

#1409

On August 07 2012 20:31 Lmui wrote:

The difference in skill from 1650 to 1500 is stupid though.

not rly it feels exactly the same lol.

hell some games you have elo ranges from 1300 to 1800 cause of duo qing, feels exactly the same lol. elo skill difference is vastly overexaggerated it all comes down to how ppl play in one particular game and that has huge variance.

Slayer91

Ireland23352 Posts

August 07 2012 11:39 GMT

#1410

Low elo duo q's basically always fail though :D
Unless they're vs ppl who don't play ad or support and are already like raging at each other.

Lmui

Canada6223 Posts

August 07 2012 11:39 GMT

#1411

Just some numbers for level 6 Diana

In a combo assuming you get a passive proc, QWRER
Passive 65 (+.6)
Q 170(+.8)
W 60(+.6)
R 200(+1.2)

for 335 (+3.0)

Not particularly high in terms of base values but coupled with the fact that she attacks fast, can actually combo people really hard. She can also take wraiths about as easily as morgana can.

Telegnosis

United States49 Posts

August 07 2012 11:45 GMT

#1412

I'm a little surprised she isn't drawing more comparisons to Riven.

Passive to scale her autos.
Self shield.
Relatively minor(duration wise at least) CC, centered on herself.
Dashes all day.
No real significant cooldowns, at level 18 her longest cooldown is 18 seconds.
One stats scales offense and defense pretty strongly.
Completely obliterates minions/monsters.

The biggest difference seems to be that she uses mana. Her costs aren't all that prohibitive from what I've seen, but using a resource at all means she's probably less of a win every lane kind of champ.
Am I way off base here?

TheKefka

Croatia11752 Posts

August 07 2012 11:53 GMT

#1413

Yes,because riven is a incredibly mobile,mana-less champion pre 6 even,has better cc.
Diana isn't mobile at all before 6 and even than she can only be offensive with it,that's why she will never be a legit top lane among other things.Unless you want to get ganked over and over and over again.

I don't get why people are trying to put diana where she doesn't belong just because she has similarity's to some other champs that are good in jungle/top lane.Just because she has loads of aoe clear possibility doesn't make her a good jungler alone.She can clear wraiths and wolves fast sure,but than she needs to blow a decent amount of her mana pool to do a buff,wriggles is a waste on her so you don't really have strong dragon control,and you can't gank well pre 6.
She is pretty one dimensional in that sense as a jungler and that's why I don't like her at all there,her pace is set at all times and you can't really alter it like with udyr/shyvana/noct/naut/mundo/lee etc.
On the other hand her kit is exactly what you need on a good mid lane right now.Really quick wave clear,ability to do wraiths in 2 spells and her roaming is really strong.Because of her Q she is one of the safest melee mids,it has a low cost,low cd,good range and really good damage so you can be pretty safe pre 6 ,not waste a lot of mana and you can't get pushed in as someone like fizz,kassadin,ryze etc.Her burst is pretty strong with a DFG and she can chase down people.

jcarlsoniv

United States27922 Posts

August 07 2012 12:52 GMT

#1414

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=8331242#post8331242

Actually looks pretty good. Her E damage/range was way too high. I still think she'll be good, if not still on the strong side.

Ahhhh Idk what to do when I get home from work: Diana mid or try new Zyra (assuming the hotfix comes in within the next 8 hours).

Celial

2602 Posts

August 07 2012 12:55 GMT

#1415

People underestimate how stupidly strong her passive is. Seriously. It's like another nuke.

Btw her night elves skin sucks so bad... Wouldn't buy if you're not a fan of WoW night elves. I mean it is great, an awesome skin. But I have night elves.

AsmodeusXI

United States15536 Posts

August 07 2012 13:03 GMT

#1416

Ugh... SHE IS SO AWESOME. Dat musik. Too OP, needs nerf. Seriously though, I can't wait to play her even though she might be best mid and I'm the worst at mid... Even worse than my jungle. She's just so awesome though.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

August 07 2012 13:07 GMT

#1417

I've only jungled her so far and she does fine. Her ganks aren't great pre-6 in that you can really only gank someone who's overextended, but with red it's a guaranteed kill/summoner. Post-6 she's an amazing ganker cause her damage is so damn high. Clear-wise she clears super fast and is super safe. Never drop below 75% and I'm opening regrowth 'cause you can't really gank that well early anyways.

She might do well mid, except for the fact that she's melee means she'll get abused pretty hard. Her mana costs aren't very high but you can't really spam your spells nonstop either. Taking camps in jungle isn't mana prohibitive because her passive is essentially another nuke for free.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

August 07 2012 13:19 GMT

#1418

On August 07 2012 21:55 Celial wrote:
People underestimate how stupidly strong her passive is. Seriously. It's like another nuke.

Whoops misread that I guess.

Her passive is a .2 AP ratio on her atuoattacks on average, slightly stronger than Orianna's and with more burst to compensate for the range. It's good, but I wouldn't call it stupidly strong.

jcarlsoniv

United States27922 Posts

August 07 2012 13:20 GMT

#1419

On August 07 2012 22:19 spinesheath wrote:

Show nested quote +

Just "like"? It IS another nuke. Stronger than Cho Ult, if you will. 1500 range line AoE up to 549 true damage is mad strong.
It's way harder to dodge than Kog's passive, too.

I think he was talking about Diana? Zyra doesn't have a night elf skin afaik