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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
Of them I'd say half(Hec,Varus,Darius) are fairly easy to pick up. Draven, Jayce, Zyra(if she didn't have too strong damage) are actually fairly complex. I think it's just you. That is to say champions should be relatively "easy" to pick up and difficult to master as they have ways to go from "This champion is good if I play good" to "This champion is amazing if I play him/her perfectly" | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:49 wei2coolman wrote: Can we just agree to drop this inane and pointless subject? Have people noticed recently, that majority of new champ releases have been retard proof? Like it was essentially impossible to fuck up playing a champion after like 1-2 games? Not really... Jayce isn't overly easy to use; but that could just be because he doesnt' seem very popular atm. Draven isn't exactly easy due to his axes mechanic. Varus is a squishy AD carry with poor self-peel and no mobility; hardly idiot-proof. Past that you have Hecarim, Lulu, Fiora, Nautilus, Ziggs. Hecarim's pretty easy. Lulu's not that hard either, but there's some measure of subtlety to her. Fiora I can't tell if she's hard or just a bad champ in general. I'm leaning towards the latter since her kit seems very straightforward. Nautilus is basically Blitz 2.0; not exactly retard-proof. Ziggs isn't that easy to use either. This is kinda like how everyone seems to think new champions are always OP or that Riot is releasing OP champions to make money, which is by and large bs. The new OP champs are always the most visible and easily remembered, making people have false impressions. If you really look at the release/patch history though, it's usually the old champions that give the most problems. New champions generally aren't OP or at least not for quite a while until people figure them out. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:56 Parnage wrote: The last 6 champions released are from oldest: Hecarim, Varus, Darius, Draven, Jayce, Zyra Of them I'd say half(Hec,Varus,Darius) are fairly easy to pick up. Draven, Jayce, Zyra(if she didn't have too strong damage) are actually fairly complex. I think it's just you. That is to say champions should be relatively "easy" to pick up and difficult to master as they have ways to go from "This champion is good if I play good" to "This champion is amazing if I play him/her perfectly" Zyra is actually fool-proof right now - which is why she is broken. Her E is way too easy to land. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
I think the rest of the new champs have all been pretty okay so far. Although I don't top lane so I never knew if Darius was as omgOPplsnerf as a lot of the community made him out to be. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 07 2012 17:11 overt wrote: Zyra's pretty much the only recent champion that I've had major issues with. Like, I can't really find any AP mids that I play that can punish her or do anything but go even against her in lane. I didn't even have those issues against Ahri when she was first released. I think the rest of the new champs have all been pretty okay so far. Although I don't top lane so I never knew if Darius was as omgOPplsnerf as a lot of the community made him out to be. Thats still pretty much the case. They didn't make her any less safe in lane, and they didn't make her zone any less easily. Only real thing is now people can't cheesily level E first, and they will just spread out their plants. If anything, this makes a mediocre Zyra player be more consistently scary in lane. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Varus being underpowered has nothing to do with the fact that he's easy to play. Jayce is extremely safe, with ranged mode. I think he has potential to be op'd, if played correctly, but even played wrongly he's retard proof toplane, with not many counters. Zyra is just op'd. Draven is somewhat more complex, but he's just not rewarding enough when played well. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
The only thing that makes him "easy" is the fact that he's an AD carry. But he's definitely a lot harder than most other AD carries imo. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 07 2012 17:19 wei2coolman wrote: Hecarim, Varus, Darius, Draven, Jayce, Zyra Varus being underpowered has nothing to do with the fact that he's easy to play. Jayce is extremely safe, with ranged mode. I think he has potential to be op'd, if played correctly, but even played wrongly he's retard proof toplane, with not many counters. Zyra is just op'd. Draven is somewhat more complex, but he's just not rewarding enough when played well. Varus isn't easy to play at all. The complete lack of a gap closer/escape and good self-peel means that his positioning is so much more important than other AD carries. His laning's not too hard, but overall Varus isn't exactly an easy champion. I guess you could argue Jayce is retard-proof, but he's not exactly easy to play to well. At least from what I've seen. He seems rather underplayed tho so iunno. Zyra *should be complex with the whole summoning plants/zone control thing but right now she's just freaking OP cause of her E particle speed and mad damage. I'm surprised you didn't list Hecarim as easy. All you have to do is R into enemy team, press W, spam Q. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 07 2012 17:24 Ryuu314 wrote: Varus isn't easy to play at all. The complete lack of a gap closer/escape and good self-peel means that his positioning is so much more important than other AD carries. His laning's not too hard, but overall Varus isn't exactly an easy champion. I guess you could argue Jayce is retard-proof, but he's not exactly easy to play to well. At least from what I've seen. He seems rather underplayed tho so iunno. Zyra *should be complex with the whole summoning plants/zone control thing but right now she's just freaking OP cause of her E particle speed and mad damage. I'm surprised you didn't list Hecarim as easy. All you have to do is R into enemy team, press W, spam Q. Jayce's after ult auto-attack is just unbearable, basically a self stun every time for a tiny bonus effect. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
I want this song. It's so good. I didn't expect vocal's with it at all but my goodness did they do a fantastic job at it. Apparently the song is titled "Daylights End" | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 07 2012 17:31 Feartheguru wrote: Jayce's after ult auto-attack is just unbearable, basically a self stun every time for a tiny bonus effect. I tried spamming Jayce games when he came out. couldn't do it. his melee attack animation is just so damn awful and feels really clunky. I'm fine with slower animations cause I play a bit of DotA, but like...there seems to be an artificial delay in his attacking animation that just doesn't feel good. feels kinda like the melee version of WC3 dota's Razor. probably overstating how bad the animations are but I just hate playing Jayce. | ||
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warscythes
365 Posts
Ask not the sun why she sets Why she shrouds her light away Or why she hides her glowing gaze When night turns crimson gold to grey For silent falls the guilty sun As day to dark does turn One simple truth she dare not speak: Her light can only blind and burn No mercy for the guilty Bring down their lying sun Blood so silver black by night Upon their faces pale white Cruel moon, bring the end The dawn will never rise again | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
On August 07 2012 16:49 Sufficiency wrote: The problem is that her E's speed is way too fast. This was not addressed. I think she will be roughly the same as before. It's not any faster than morgana/lux binds. The sole problem is that it passes through infinite minions so positioning can't do anything for you. You're just forced to play far back enough that you can dodge it. I'm an advocate for either slowing down the projectile upon collision with enemies or reducing damage/snare duration upon contact with enemies. It's still stupid but it's not going to snare three people in a teamfight for everyone to whale on. | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
On August 07 2012 18:15 PH wrote: The lyrics being English ruined it for me, personally. It would have been cool if they had translated it into elvish or something but the english one sounds just fine. | ||
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