[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 69

On August 07 2012 15:13 TheYango wrote:
I don't even know why we're nitpicking numbers when anyone can just watch the damn spotlight or skill video on her champ profile and see how big it is.

On August 07 2012 15:43 TheYango wrote:
My take on Diana's E is basically this: Diana's E is to Dark Seer's Vacuum just as Anivia Wall is to Earthshaker's Fissure. Both of the LoL-ported versions of the skills are significantly weaker (neither do damage; Anivia Wall doesn't stun, has shorter placement range, and doesn't block as much space until you hit rank 5; Diana's E is PBAoE rather than ranged and doesn't pull as large of an area at higher ranks, but slows), but you're still effectively porting 2 of the most game-changing skills in all of DotA (Dark Seer and Earthshaker are considered to be 2 of the top 4 teamfight heroes in Chinese DotA). Look how game-changing Anivia wall is--that's how important Diana's E is going to be.

On August 07 2012 15:55 wei2coolman wrote:
Is diana's E a full CC? like it forces people next to her? or can it be ported out? or somewhat countered?

On August 07 2012 15:55 Ryuu314 wrote:
The difference is Darius's pull is a pretty small aoe that's a cone in front of him. He also has awful mobility with no gap closer.

Diana's is pb aoe centered around her. Combine that with the fact that she essentially has an ~800 range gap closer means that getting in position to maximize use of her E is very easy.

On August 07 2012 16:01 Feartheguru wrote:


1) 475 range pull in an arc vs. 250 range in all directions. You continuously compare asymmetric things as if its obvious one is superior to the other.

2) centering around a character is a negative attribute no idea where you're getting at

3) Talon also has a good gap closer and an ult that has way way bigger aoe than her E, therefore his ult consistently does massive aoe damage to the entire team while being able to assassinate a carry. That is based off the same logic you used, why doesn't it work?

On August 07 2012 16:05 Ryuu314 wrote:

1. You're the one who brought up Darius, not me.

2. Centering around a champ is bad if you can't get into position to use it effectively, which for Diana is a non-issue because of her ult. It's also bad since it places you in a vulnerable position, but that can be circumvented with your build/team responsiveness.

3. You need to read up on the mechanics of Talon's ulti. Talon's ulti doesn't cc and does damage based on how many blades they're hit by. Thus, the closer they are to Talon, the more damage they take. Unless the entire enemy team is stacked on top of one another (unlikely) they will take variable damage (usually minimal) based on how far away they are from Talon.

On August 07 2012 16:14 Feartheguru wrote:


1. I make argument --> you make argument --> I say your argument is bad --> you say I make first argument so it's not your fault you make bad argument

2. Short range isn't bad for Annie. It would be if she doesn't have a stun available when someone dives her but since she can stun its not a problem.

3. I'm making a point about theorycraft --> realistic situations, you counter by saying talon ulti doesn't cc and how his damage works.

On August 07 2012 15:25 Lmui wrote:
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=8331242#post8331242

Zyra's getting a pile of nerfs. Not sure if they're quite enough but it's a good starting point.

On August 07 2012 16:21 Ryuu314 wrote:

1. You're the one who "compare asymmetric things" when you brought up Darius. You said, and I quote "Seems pretty obvious to me it'll be like the significant of Darius E and nothing close to wall." I differentiated the two and explained why your comparison of Diana's E to Darius E is wrong.

2. A wild Annie appears! (Where the heck did Annie come from and how is that relevant to my argument about Diana's E being pbaoe being a non-issue?)

3. Your point about theorycraft is fundamentally flawed since you ignore how something works to justify your counter-argument. I'm explaining why your assertion that Talon's ulti "consistently does massive aoe damage to the entire team" is wrong. I still don't understand what your flawed theorycraft of Talon's ulti has to do with how strong Diana's E will be.

The most ironic thing about all this? You're the one constantly bringing up other champions to compare Diana to despite you telling me to not "compare asymmetric things." I'm going to exit this debate since it's going nowhere. Everyone can see and decide for themselves how big and how impactful Diana's E will be based on the spotlight + PBE experience. She's being released like...tomorrow anyways.

I also fail to see how Talon's ulti is in any way shape or form related to Diana's E.

On August 07 2012 16:26 Perplex wrote:


Looks like a little much to be honest. She'll likely still be strong in the right hands but it won't be nearly as easy to do well with her

On August 07 2012 16:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Can we just agree to drop this inane and pointless subject?

Have people noticed recently, that majority of new champ releases have been retard proof? Like it was essentially impossible to fuck up playing a champion after like 1-2 games?

On August 07 2012 16:00 HazMat wrote:
Her E reminds me of D3 monk skill. Forgot the name but it's exactly the same.