EPT[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 51
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On August 05 2012 21:52 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: Did udyr get nerfed in the last few months? I remember all the top players QQing about how retardedly strong and safe he was. Now nobody seems to play him anymore. He falls off late game. Junglers that get played more pretty much have better lategame than him. Still doesn't change the fact he is one of the fastest clearers and has good ganks. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Just wait for them to walk up to last hit then unload on them. They give up on getting the creep kill or get hit. This really kind of boggles my mind, just played Cait the other day and probably hit 60-70% of my Q's... | ||
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nmbr
United States79 Posts
What other champs play like this? The mobility is crazy, dragon form skills are all so good (exhaust+E is brutal on bot lane especially), reasonably durable in extended fights, and her build has a nice steady curve to it - no pining for IE or any of that. It's like a whole different game compared to the other champs I play. Diana looks promising. Who else should I try? | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 06 2012 02:02 nmbr wrote: Shyvana is hilarious. Gank constantly and still be tied for highest CS in the game. I've noticed that wins all happen before 30 minutes, though; not sure if it's cause Shyv falls off or what - too small a sample size to know yet. Been playing Olympic FB Time Trials every game. Personal record is Fiddle at 2:18 while listening to James Brown's It's a Man's World. What other champs play like this? The mobility is crazy, dragon form skills are all so good (exhaust+E is brutal on bot lane especially), reasonably durable in extended fights, and her build has a nice steady curve to it - no pining for IE or any of that. It's like a whole different game compared to the other champs I play. Diana looks promising. Who else should I try? Shyvana becomes very much a tank lategame and your damage does fall off somewhat lategame since your damage is split between magic+physical but you can't itemise for penetration for both. Your key timing is midgame when you do split-style damage but people can't afford to buy MRes and Armour. I really recommend Sejuani. She also has an AoE clear, decent damage (although not as high as Shyvana) but in return you're much tankier and have an amazing ultimate. You need to be a bit more calculating in how you approach fights and you can't just zerg peole and do damage to carry but if you set up a perfect ult you wipe entire teams instantly. Best paired with high burst champions such as Viktor. Combined, they're a 2-champion "Press R to win" team. (Ok, exaggerating.) Mundo is also similar to Shyvana and can do Exhaust-Smite jungling, is tanky and does high level damage. No jump move, but your ult heals for you a lot. Also worth a try if you like doing damage rather than being a tank jungler like Sejuani. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 06 2012 02:15 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Shyvana becomes very much a tank lategame and your damage does fall off somewhat lategame since your damage is split between magic+physical but you can't itemise for penetration for both. Your key timing is midgame when you do split-style damage but people can't afford to buy MRes and Armour. I really recommend Sejuani. She also has an AoE clear, decent damage (although not as high as Shyvana) but in return you're much tankier and have an amazing ultimate. You need to be a bit more calculating in how you approach fights and you can't just zerg peole and do damage to carry but if you set up a perfect ult you wipe entire teams instantly. Best paired with high burst champions such as Viktor. Combined, they're a 2-champion "Press R to win" team. (Ok, exaggerating.) Mundo is also similar to Shyvana and can do Exhaust-Smite jungling, is tanky and does high level damage. No jump move, but your ult heals for you a lot. Also worth a try if you like doing damage rather than being a tank jungler like Sejuani. Sejuani is much tankier than Shyvana? Wut... | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Generally you want to know when their exhaust is up. If you force a fight with the enemy support exhaust down then you will win. If both exhausts up it's mostly about CDs. If taric stuns you but you shift out of it then you want to fight right there because he won't have a stun up for the right. Same with Leona and Blitz. It's just about abusing cooldowns and focusing the right target. Focus the support if you think you can kill them before the AD can kill you or if you get a good shot on the AD then you kill him with results in a free kill on the support. I know what I posted is pretty much common sense.... I don't have much advice other than just playing a lot of different shit bot. I don't recommend Graves though because he's babies first Ad carry that has everything an AD needs so you'll be lost when playing real ADs. I recommend watching JRTseven stream or on spectate client... he's not that known but one of the best NA ADs I know, especially his Ez. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On August 06 2012 02:25 HazMat wrote:I don't recommend Graves though because he's babies first Ad carry that has everything an AD needs so you'll be lost when playing real ADs. Hahaha... funny, but kind of true. | ||
MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On August 06 2012 02:25 HazMat wrote: I'm super late but I do thing bot lane is the hardest of all lanes by far but if you learn botlane you'll become a better player for it. Look at me, I was in an 1800 drought on both my accounts for a while and then I learned botlane and now I'm 2300 on my main and winning with whatever I want on my smurf. It's honestly just an experience thing. You have to play a shit ton of matchups as different ADs with different supports vs different match-ups and see who wins what. Generally you want to know when their exhaust is up. If you force a fight with the enemy support exhaust down then you will win. If both exhausts up it's mostly about CDs. If taric stuns you but you shift out of it then you want to fight right there because he won't have a stun up for the right. Same with Leona and Blitz. It's just about abusing cooldowns and focusing the right target. Focus the support if you think you can kill them before the AD can kill you or if you get a good shot on the AD then you kill him with results in a free kill on the support. I know what I posted is pretty much common sense.... I don't have much advice other than just playing a lot of different shit bot. I don't recommend Graves though because he's babies first Ad carry that has everything an AD needs so you'll be lost when playing real ADs. I recommend watching JRTseven stream or on spectate client... he's not that known but one of the best NA ADs I know, especially his Ez. I also recommend watching JRT7's stream, its really underrated and his AD mechanics are as good as Nientensoh's | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On August 06 2012 02:15 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Shyvana becomes very much a tank lategame and your damage does fall off somewhat lategame since your damage is split between magic+physical but you can't itemise for penetration for both. Your key timing is midgame when you do split-style damage but people can't afford to buy MRes and Armour. I really recommend Sejuani. She also has an AoE clear, decent damage (although not as high as Shyvana) but in return you're much tankier and have an amazing ultimate. You need to be a bit more calculating in how you approach fights and you can't just zerg peole and do damage to carry but if you set up a perfect ult you wipe entire teams instantly. Best paired with high burst champions such as Viktor. Combined, they're a 2-champion "Press R to win" team. (Ok, exaggerating.) Mundo is also similar to Shyvana and can do Exhaust-Smite jungling, is tanky and does high level damage. No jump move, but your ult heals for you a lot. Also worth a try if you like doing damage rather than being a tank jungler like Sejuani. Why is Sej tanky? She has no defensive steroids, while Shyv I believe has one on her dragon form. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 06 2012 00:08 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Oh my. People saying Taric is too strong? I remember when the new Taric came out (new R, W, modified Q and E duration) and people were saying he'd be useless while I tried telling everyone how he was seriously legit. /hipster Only gtrstr said taric was strnog, he's probably the worst support. I'm not sure about competitive play winrates but I wouldn't be suprised if his winrate was the lowest. Leona can do the same thing in lane does much more later. Udyr top has been consistently nerfed since it become popular so it's just been phased out. There aren't any real udyr players so the reason you don't see him is the same as why you don't see renekton or something. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:15 wei2coolman wrote: Imo Cait is #1 AD carry to learn first. She has the right tools for learning how to play AD without it being too punishing. No way, Cait is one of the hardest to play at a decent level. Champs like mf and graves that can win trades with their skills are easy to learn. Having to kite in lane just to trade evenly is not easy for new ad players. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:21 Slayer91 wrote: Only gtrstr said taric was strnog, he's probably the worst support. I'm not sure about competitive play winrates but I wouldn't be suprised if his winrate was the lowest. Leona can do the same thing in lane does much more later. Udyr top has been consistently nerfed since it become popular so it's just been phased out. There aren't any real udyr players so the reason you don't see him is the same as why you don't see renekton or something. Most played support with highest win rate in solo queue. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
Then you learn what it's like to get poked with people that have >525 range | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:22 Feartheguru wrote: Most played support with highest win rate in solo queue. I actually never understood that. I had thought Taric was one of the weaker supports, and then I heard about his stats. My thoughts were "how is Taric support better than Ali support?" Alistar has better cc, which is one of the most important things for a support now. He's a much stronger tank, and with Taric being melee and needing to be in melee range to use his damaging spells, means Alistar is a lot more useful in the mid-game. Alistar can also jungle, meaning that on top of his great support he has another option making him harder to counterpick. Taric seems to be some kind of Jack of all Trades (cc, heal, buff, debuff, damage) master of none, and I thought those were mostly discouraged because you'd rather excel in one area. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:49 Dark_Chill wrote: I actually never understood that. I had thought Taric was one of the weaker supports, and then I heard about his stats. My thoughts were "how is Taric support better than Ali support?" Alistar has better cc, which is one of the most important things for a support now. He's a much stronger tank, and with Taric being melee and needing to be in melee range to use his damaging spells, means Alistar is a lot more useful in the mid-game. Alistar can also jungle, meaning that on top of his great support he has another option making him harder to counterpick. Taric seems to be some kind of Jack of all Trades (cc, heal, buff, debuff, damage) master of none, and I thought those were mostly discouraged because you'd rather excel in one area. Taric tanks pretty damn well with his W, also helps his ad carry, the stun being ranged is much better in a lot of situations, armour shred etc. Taric also has really nice burst at lvl6. | ||
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Leonite7
Ireland921 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On August 06 2012 04:18 Leonite7 wrote: Well after a large losing streak from 1360 to 1200, what would you guys recommend for champions to carry with? Got 80% of the champions I think. Champions you can play. At that elo it literally does not matter what champion you play but if you can play it well. | ||
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