EPTOn August 06 2012 05:07 Feartheguru wrote:
Then you buckshot and do more damage than their poke?
Then you buckshot and do more damage than their poke?
Graves single bullet Q vs trist auto->E->auto?
Seems pretty obvious who is a better poker
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101toss
3232 Posts
Graves single bullet Q vs trist auto->E->auto? Seems pretty obvious who is a better poker | ||
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icemanzdoinwork
447 Posts
Actually dps ram works in low Elo (under 1450). My win rate with ram is 65% for both seasons. I didn't play him during the "op" moments. I played dps ram before the slight buffs and his fotm status. I followed some guide on TSM and started tweaking around it. Main build was something like wriggles>zeal>phage>PD or frozen (whichever you could get first) then Tanky items. As reds and quints. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:12 101toss wrote: Graves single bullet Q vs trist auto->E->auto? Seems pretty obvious who is a better poker The problem is that graves can trade with tristana because he has more skills that do damage and an attackspeed buff that repositions him. Graves' poke is much higher than tristana's in lane. It's more like EWQautoautoauto vs autoEauto. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:13 icemanzdoinwork wrote: Actually dps ram works in low Elo (under 1450). My win rate with ram is 65% for both seasons. I didn't play him during the "op" moments. I played dps ram before the slight buffs and his fotm status. I followed some guide on TSM and started tweaking around it. Main build was something like wriggles>zeal>phage>PD or frozen (whichever you could get first) then Tanky items. As reds and quints. That's not a troll build, Honver used to run that in platinum games. ... okay, it's a troll build. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 06 2012 04:53 Amui wrote: Yeah, it's like morg binding without the ability to hide behind creeps. Honestly though Zyra's FB/FP material right now because of how retarded strong her laning and teamfighting is. I think they need to reduce the range on her W seed range. I feel like it isn't even the range on her E/Q that is the issue, as it is now she can zone you from 1000+ range away without even hitting her skillshots so long as she can E->WW. Then you slowed from plant and a monkey could land her Q. You reduce the range of that W by like 200 or so, suddenly her laning is so much less obnoxious and her great scaling kit and teamfight is less silly without really breaking anything about her. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:12 101toss wrote: Graves single bullet Q vs trist auto->E->auto? Seems pretty obvious who is a better poker I was typing up a response but let's see if you can figure out how stupid this is. My table does not appreciate the groove it got when I read that trist is a better poker than graves. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 06 2012 05:18 MooMooMugi wrote: Ya I've done IE PD LW ad carry build on Rammus it does tons of dmg but not really viable in competitive play lul >1300 elo >Competitive play Do you even read your posts? And it's not IE LW it's wriggles/pdancer/fratmas filler item. | ||
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Juddas
768 Posts
Poll: Which one? Anivia (17) Katarina (3) 20 total votes Your vote: Which one? Hope this is allowed, but I want an answer as quickly as possible | ||
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koreasilver
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Juddas
768 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:25 koreasilver wrote: Why don't people just buy and play the champions they like/are good at. Because I like and am good with both of them | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
I think PD is an awesome final item for Rammus. I build it on him all the time. If you've already got your tank stuff, you're not ever gonna die anyway, so you might as well add another gear to your powerball and be able to whack stuff a little faster. PD is awesome. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:34 Terranasaur wrote: I think PD is an awesome final item for Rammus. I build it on him all the time. If you've already got your tank stuff, you're not ever gonna die anyway, so you might as well add another gear to your powerball and be able to whack stuff a little faster. PD is awesome. In what universe are you actually able to finish your " tank stuff" and than muster up enough gold for a PD. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:21 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: The problem is that graves can trade with tristana because he has more skills that do damage and an attackspeed buff that repositions him. Graves' poke is much higher than tristana's in lane. It's more like EWQautoautoauto vs autoEauto. If you blow your cooldowns like that and dash (I'm assuming towards me since you want 3X buckshot), 3 things will happen: 1. You will be oom in about 2 seconds 2. You'll be out of position 3. All your cooldowns are up Realize that I can easily W onto you if you decide to spam all your skills like that. You're in deeper shit if you dash into me and my support for 3bullet buckshot. EWQautoautoauto is what happens when you engage, not poke (if that's your poke you're probably terrible at ad carry). Poking is when you shoot them while you last hit, harass if you will for you starcraft players. This is opposed to blowing all your damn cooldowns (but hey, as ez, you probably QWE your opponent for poke, right?). But enough theorycraft, 1v1 seems best to settle something as simple as this (I will be on a computer in a week or so) Also, 525 range vs trists 550(+8/lvl) range. Feels bad man. If you just shoot me with a single bullet Q (575ish range), trist's E outdamages that (not to mention the autoattack before/after that you won't get on me but I will get on you since you have 525 range). Stutter stepping also messes with graves auto's given your range, but you'd probably need to be a diamond leaguer at starcraft to do it properly. If we factor in supports, having 0 cooldowns up on graves and getting caught out of position means bigger problems for you as well. Hovering around 1550 elo. Was 13-1 as trist until my friends trolled 3 games under my account, now 13-4 :s Also have around 60 ranked games as graves (~66% w/l). I don't claim to know everything, I just know that lane matchups are much more dynamic than "I LVL 2 TRIST I JUMP ON GRAVES WTF HE Q ME FOR OP DAMAGE" or "I'M GRAVES I EWQ AND YOU ARE DEAD" (well, maybe for release graves this was true) Sorry for this rant, I'm just tired of hearing "GRAVES OP" | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:56 Feartheguru wrote: "EWQautoautoauto is what happens when you engage" You don't say. powerful counterargument, I'm sure he'll take your feedback to heart | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
in go4lol ro16 vs skarnold's team | ||
MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:43 JackDino wrote: >1300 elo >Competitive play Do you even read your posts? And it's not IE LW it's wriggles/pdancer/fratmas filler item. Lolwat Fratmas? What is this season 1? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 06 2012 08:10 zulu_nation8 wrote: twitch.tv/national_esl1 in go4lol ro16 vs skarnold's team is that our Bly also? | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:37 TheKefka wrote: In what universe are you actually able to finish your " tank stuff" and than muster up enough gold for a PD. Pretty much anytime the game goes longer than 45 minutes. I said final item. When I play the Moose I sit on a coupla GP10's for a while... Getting to full build isn't that uncommon. | ||
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