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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 05 2012 21:12 GMT
#1041
On August 06 2012 05:07 Feartheguru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 03:41 101toss wrote:
Graves is an ad with training wheels, good when you're starting

Then you learn what it's like to get poked with people that have >525 range


Then you buckshot and do more damage than their poke?

Graves single bullet Q vs trist auto->E->auto?

Seems pretty obvious who is a better poker
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
icemanzdoinwork
Profile Joined August 2010
447 Posts
August 05 2012 21:13 GMT
#1042
On August 06 2012 06:01 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 05:13 spinesheath wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:08 MooMooMugi wrote:
On August 06 2012 04:29 JackDino wrote:
On August 06 2012 04:18 Leonite7 wrote:
Well after a large losing streak from 1360 to 1200, what would you guys recommend for champions to carry with? Got 80% of the champions I think.

Fast moving jungler with good ganks that can build damage like rammus/heca/lee sin etc.

Junglers than can build damage ->rammus

LOL

Phantom Dancer on Rammus is actually legit. He gets tons of AD and resistances for free, so PD + some HP is strong.

Legit for trolling normals, sure.


Actually dps ram works in low Elo (under 1450). My win rate with ram is 65% for both seasons. I didn't play him during the "op" moments. I played dps ram before the slight buffs and his fotm status. I followed some guide on TSM and started tweaking around it. Main build was something like wriggles>zeal>phage>PD or frozen (whichever you could get first) then Tanky items. As reds and quints.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 05 2012 21:21 GMT
#1043
On August 06 2012 06:12 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 05:07 Feartheguru wrote:
On August 06 2012 03:41 101toss wrote:
Graves is an ad with training wheels, good when you're starting

Then you learn what it's like to get poked with people that have >525 range


Then you buckshot and do more damage than their poke?

Graves single bullet Q vs trist auto->E->auto?

Seems pretty obvious who is a better poker

The problem is that graves can trade with tristana because he has more skills that do damage and an attackspeed buff that repositions him. Graves' poke is much higher than tristana's in lane. It's more like EWQautoautoauto vs autoEauto.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 05 2012 21:22 GMT
#1044
On August 06 2012 06:13 icemanzdoinwork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:01 Craton wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:13 spinesheath wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:08 MooMooMugi wrote:
On August 06 2012 04:29 JackDino wrote:
On August 06 2012 04:18 Leonite7 wrote:
Well after a large losing streak from 1360 to 1200, what would you guys recommend for champions to carry with? Got 80% of the champions I think.

Fast moving jungler with good ganks that can build damage like rammus/heca/lee sin etc.

Junglers than can build damage ->rammus

LOL

Phantom Dancer on Rammus is actually legit. He gets tons of AD and resistances for free, so PD + some HP is strong.

Legit for trolling normals, sure.


Actually dps ram works in low Elo (under 1450). My win rate with ram is 65% for both seasons. I didn't play him during the "op" moments. I played dps ram before the slight buffs and his fotm status. I followed some guide on TSM and started tweaking around it. Main build was something like wriggles>zeal>phage>PD or frozen (whichever you could get first) then Tanky items. As reds and quints.

That's not a troll build, Honver used to run that in platinum games.

... okay, it's a troll build.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 21:39:24
August 05 2012 21:22 GMT
#1045
On August 06 2012 04:53 Amui wrote:
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On August 06 2012 04:47 TheKefka wrote:
I don't understand who in the right mind thought it was a good idea to make zyras root able to pass through creeps.


Yeah, it's like morg binding without the ability to hide behind creeps. Honestly though Zyra's FB/FP material right now because of how retarded strong her laning and teamfighting is.


I think they need to reduce the range on her W seed range. I feel like it isn't even the range on her E/Q that is the issue, as it is now she can zone you from 1000+ range away without even hitting her skillshots so long as she can E->WW. Then you slowed from plant and a monkey could land her Q.

You reduce the range of that W by like 200 or so, suddenly her laning is so much less obnoxious and her great scaling kit and teamfight is less silly without really breaking anything about her.
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 21:35:18
August 05 2012 21:33 GMT
#1046
On August 06 2012 06:12 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 05:07 Feartheguru wrote:
On August 06 2012 03:41 101toss wrote:
Graves is an ad with training wheels, good when you're starting

Then you learn what it's like to get poked with people that have >525 range


Then you buckshot and do more damage than their poke?

Graves single bullet Q vs trist auto->E->auto?

Seems pretty obvious who is a better poker


I was typing up a response but let's see if you can figure out how stupid this is.
My table does not appreciate the groove it got when I read that trist is a better poker than graves.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 05 2012 21:43 GMT
#1047
On August 06 2012 05:18 MooMooMugi wrote:
Ya I've done IE PD LW ad carry build on Rammus it does tons of dmg but not really viable in competitive play lul

>1300 elo
>Competitive play
Do you even read your posts? And it's not IE LW it's wriggles/pdancer/fratmas filler item.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
August 05 2012 22:21 GMT
#1048
Poll: Which one?

Anivia (17)
 
85%

Katarina (3)
 
15%

20 total votes

Your vote: Which one?

(Vote): Katarina
(Vote): Anivia



Hope this is allowed, but I want an answer as quickly as possible

koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 05 2012 22:25 GMT
#1049
Why don't people just buy and play the champions they like/are good at.
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
August 05 2012 22:26 GMT
#1050
On August 06 2012 07:25 koreasilver wrote:
Why don't people just buy and play the champions they like/are good at.


Because I like and am good with both of them
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
August 05 2012 22:34 GMT
#1051
On August 06 2012 06:01 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 05:13 spinesheath wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:08 MooMooMugi wrote:
On August 06 2012 04:29 JackDino wrote:
On August 06 2012 04:18 Leonite7 wrote:
Well after a large losing streak from 1360 to 1200, what would you guys recommend for champions to carry with? Got 80% of the champions I think.

Fast moving jungler with good ganks that can build damage like rammus/heca/lee sin etc.

Junglers than can build damage ->rammus

LOL

Phantom Dancer on Rammus is actually legit. He gets tons of AD and resistances for free, so PD + some HP is strong.

Legit for trolling normals, sure.



I think PD is an awesome final item for Rammus. I build it on him all the time. If you've already got your tank stuff, you're not ever gonna die anyway, so you might as well add another gear to your powerball and be able to whack stuff a little faster. PD is awesome.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 05 2012 22:37 GMT
#1052
On August 06 2012 07:34 Terranasaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:01 Craton wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:13 spinesheath wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:08 MooMooMugi wrote:
On August 06 2012 04:29 JackDino wrote:
On August 06 2012 04:18 Leonite7 wrote:
Well after a large losing streak from 1360 to 1200, what would you guys recommend for champions to carry with? Got 80% of the champions I think.

Fast moving jungler with good ganks that can build damage like rammus/heca/lee sin etc.

Junglers than can build damage ->rammus

LOL

Phantom Dancer on Rammus is actually legit. He gets tons of AD and resistances for free, so PD + some HP is strong.

Legit for trolling normals, sure.



I think PD is an awesome final item for Rammus. I build it on him all the time. If you've already got your tank stuff, you're not ever gonna die anyway, so you might as well add another gear to your powerball and be able to whack stuff a little faster. PD is awesome.

In what universe are you actually able to finish your " tank stuff" and than muster up enough gold for a PD.
Cackle™
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 22:53:38
August 05 2012 22:50 GMT
#1053
On August 06 2012 06:21 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:12 101toss wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:07 Feartheguru wrote:
On August 06 2012 03:41 101toss wrote:
Graves is an ad with training wheels, good when you're starting

Then you learn what it's like to get poked with people that have >525 range


Then you buckshot and do more damage than their poke?

Graves single bullet Q vs trist auto->E->auto?

Seems pretty obvious who is a better poker

The problem is that graves can trade with tristana because he has more skills that do damage and an attackspeed buff that repositions him. Graves' poke is much higher than tristana's in lane. It's more like EWQautoautoauto vs autoEauto.

If you blow your cooldowns like that and dash (I'm assuming towards me since you want 3X buckshot), 3 things will happen:
1. You will be oom in about 2 seconds
2. You'll be out of position
3. All your cooldowns are up

Realize that I can easily W onto you if you decide to spam all your skills like that. You're in deeper shit if you dash into me and my support for 3bullet buckshot. EWQautoautoauto is what happens when you engage, not poke (if that's your poke you're probably terrible at ad carry). Poking is when you shoot them while you last hit, harass if you will for you starcraft players. This is opposed to blowing all your damn cooldowns (but hey, as ez, you probably QWE your opponent for poke, right?). But enough theorycraft, 1v1 seems best to settle something as simple as this (I will be on a computer in a week or so)

Also, 525 range vs trists 550(+8/lvl) range. Feels bad man. If you just shoot me with a single bullet Q (575ish range), trist's E outdamages that (not to mention the autoattack before/after that you won't get on me but I will get on you since you have 525 range). Stutter stepping also messes with graves auto's given your range, but you'd probably need to be a diamond leaguer at starcraft to do it properly.

If we factor in supports, having 0 cooldowns up on graves and getting caught out of position means bigger problems for you as well.

Hovering around 1550 elo. Was 13-1 as trist until my friends trolled 3 games under my account, now 13-4 :s Also have around 60 ranked games as graves (~66% w/l). I don't claim to know everything, I just know that lane matchups are much more dynamic than "I LVL 2 TRIST I JUMP ON GRAVES WTF HE Q ME FOR OP DAMAGE" or "I'M GRAVES I EWQ AND YOU ARE DEAD" (well, maybe for release graves this was true)

Sorry for this rant, I'm just tired of hearing "GRAVES OP"
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 23:03:32
August 05 2012 22:56 GMT
#1054
Not sure what happened to my edit
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 05 2012 22:58 GMT
#1055
On August 06 2012 07:56 Feartheguru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 07:50 101toss wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:21 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:12 101toss wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:07 Feartheguru wrote:
On August 06 2012 03:41 101toss wrote:
Graves is an ad with training wheels, good when you're starting

Then you learn what it's like to get poked with people that have >525 range


Then you buckshot and do more damage than their poke?

Graves single bullet Q vs trist auto->E->auto?

Seems pretty obvious who is a better poker

The problem is that graves can trade with tristana because he has more skills that do damage and an attackspeed buff that repositions him. Graves' poke is much higher than tristana's in lane. It's more like EWQautoautoauto vs autoEauto.

If you blow your cooldowns like that and dash (I'm assuming towards me since you want 3X buckshot), 3 things will happen:
1. You will be oom in about 2 seconds
2. You'll be out of position
3. All your cooldowns are up

Realize that I can easily W onto you if you decide to spam all your skills like that. You're in deeper shit if you dash into me and my support for 3bullet buckshot. EWQautoautoauto is what happens when you engage, not poke (if that's your poke you're probably terrible at ad carry). Poking is when you shoot them while you last hit, harass if you will for you starcraft players. This is opposed to blowing all your damn cooldowns (but hey, as ez, you probably QWE your opponent for poke, right?). But enough theorycraft, 1v1 seems best to settle something as simple as this (I will be on a computer in a week or so)

Also, 525 range vs trists 550(+8/lvl) range. Feels bad man. If you just shoot me with a single bullet Q (575ish range), trist's E outdamages that (not to mention the autoattack before/after that you won't get on me but I will get on you since you have 525 range). Stutter stepping also messes with graves auto's given your range, but you'd probably need to be a diamond leaguer at starcraft to do it properly.

If we factor in supports, having 0 cooldowns up on graves and getting caught out of position means bigger problems for you as well.

Hovering around 1550 elo. Was 13-1 as trist until my friends trolled 3 games under my account, now 13-4 :s Also have around 60 ranked games as graves (~66% w/l). I don't claim to know everything, I just know that lane matchups are much more dynamic than "I LVL 2 TRIST I JUMP ON GRAVES WTF HE Q ME FOR OP DAMAGE" or "I'M GRAVES I EWQ AND YOU ARE DEAD" (well, maybe for release graves this was true)


"EWQautoautoauto is what happens when you engage"

You don't say.


powerful counterargument, I'm sure he'll take your feedback to heart
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 05 2012 23:10 GMT
#1056
twitch.tv/national_esl1

in go4lol ro16 vs skarnold's team
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 05 2012 23:21 GMT
#1057
On August 06 2012 06:43 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 05:18 MooMooMugi wrote:
Ya I've done IE PD LW ad carry build on Rammus it does tons of dmg but not really viable in competitive play lul

>1300 elo
>Competitive play
Do you even read your posts? And it's not IE LW it's wriggles/pdancer/fratmas filler item.

Lolwat Fratmas? What is this season 1?
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 05 2012 23:31 GMT
#1058
On August 06 2012 08:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
twitch.tv/national_esl1

in go4lol ro16 vs skarnold's team


is that our Bly also?
Carrilord has arrived.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
August 05 2012 23:45 GMT
#1059
On August 06 2012 08:31 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 08:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:
twitch.tv/national_esl1

in go4lol ro16 vs skarnold's team


is that our Bly also?

...............
GANDHISAUCE
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
August 05 2012 23:45 GMT
#1060
On August 06 2012 07:37 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 07:34 Terranasaur wrote:
On August 06 2012 06:01 Craton wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:13 spinesheath wrote:
On August 06 2012 05:08 MooMooMugi wrote:
On August 06 2012 04:29 JackDino wrote:
On August 06 2012 04:18 Leonite7 wrote:
Well after a large losing streak from 1360 to 1200, what would you guys recommend for champions to carry with? Got 80% of the champions I think.

Fast moving jungler with good ganks that can build damage like rammus/heca/lee sin etc.

Junglers than can build damage ->rammus

LOL

Phantom Dancer on Rammus is actually legit. He gets tons of AD and resistances for free, so PD + some HP is strong.

Legit for trolling normals, sure.



I think PD is an awesome final item for Rammus. I build it on him all the time. If you've already got your tank stuff, you're not ever gonna die anyway, so you might as well add another gear to your powerball and be able to whack stuff a little faster. PD is awesome.

In what universe are you actually able to finish your " tank stuff" and than muster up enough gold for a PD.


Pretty much anytime the game goes longer than 45 minutes. I said final item. When I play the Moose I sit on a coupla GP10's for a while... Getting to full build isn't that uncommon.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
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