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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
August 05 2012 14:09 GMT
#981
On August 05 2012 19:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 19:24 spinesheath wrote:
On August 05 2012 19:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 05 2012 19:21 JackDino wrote:
On August 05 2012 19:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Why can't people just tough it out? It's a video game, no need to get all butthurt over it.

If you play you play to win. That means you care. If you don't rage you simply don't care enough and you shouldn't play.

Or I could play to win without getting my anus all bruised up over some guy getting mad at me?

You can not get butthurt and still wish for a nicer atmosphere. I personally would enjoy a friendlier atmosphere, would you not?

Not really~ It's sort of the gaming way... It's sort of how community is.

I guess I'm just nostalgia fagging it up, but back in the days of CS, and CS:S, the trash talk was fucking amazing. Some of the funniest and wittiest lines of trash talk was said through the mic. It was glorious, either you could stand your ground with the trash talk or you just didn't say shit, it was awesome.

Also, I hate the whole "nice community" bullshit, that's just a load of shit. It's so fucking fake. Essentially people want normal people to "act" nice, they don't actually want a nice community. They just want a community that "acts" it. And you know what? FUCK THAT SHIT. The internets always been about being true to itself. I deal with enough fucking fake ass personas in the real world, I don't need the internet to turn into a circlejerk of fake ass people.

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."-Oscar Wilde


Fakes? On the internet? That would NEVER happen, right!? lolololol

And I dunno man, I kind of agree that I like some people to be ragey little kids cause it's funny as hell sometimes. Especially really low elo players who all are exactly the same yelling racial slurs and talking shit cause they're bad. But on the other hand if I'm actually trying I'd prefer a person to not be a ragey moron cause it just gets in the way of your play. It's like an annoying little fly, always buzzing around and being annoying, never shutting up and just leaving you alone so you can play.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 05 2012 14:13 GMT
#982
Man if they gave morde a new walking animation when he walks towards the camera id be so happy.

he looks like he leans into his run
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Rookie6
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil583 Posts
August 05 2012 14:13 GMT
#983
Thanks for the answers guys, I really appreciate
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 05 2012 14:18 GMT
#984
On August 05 2012 22:55 Nightmare-br wrote:
Hey guys, I have a small question here. When you are playing mid, when/with who do you generally want to go Deathfire Grasp?

I am asking this because I saw Alex Ich building it in a lot of different champions recently, but I don´t see it that often in competitive play.

Imo it's a must buy on every champ once they hit ~400 AP and want more offense. The added burst damage is extremely valuable.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 05 2012 14:27 GMT
#985
thanks for the bot lane help guys, i will start banning blitz and try picking up graves
the problem is never my last hitting - i mean i'm playing in the 1300s, everyone there is bad, i win the cs battle by 20+ every laning phase. the problem is just as soon as my opponent makes an aggro move, i'm not sure how to respond. sometimes i run and live. sometimes i stand and fight and live. but most times i run and die or fight and die. even when playing corki. i guess i should just duo it up with someone and get a feel for more exchanges. also phosphorous bomb is hard as hell to hit wtf



as for the internet rage thing, i think it's safe to say that most competitive people who are in the game to win it (i.e. most of us on TL) are mature enough to not let ragers get to them, and mature enough not to fly off the handle at someone for making a mistake. the thing is, it feels like the lol population is primarily 12-to-14-year-olds, and THEY are just bundles of hormones and emotions and angst at their parents; when someone ELSE on your team makes a mistake, your teammates are going to blow their lid off onto THEM. that's when the problems start. if there was an ignore button you could make so that teammate X couldn't hear teammate Y, i would win every game. i have no problem staying calm, i just need a way to help my teammates stay calm (by blocking my other teammates from communicating with them)
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 14:57:46
August 05 2012 14:50 GMT
#986
^learn graves first, learn how bot lane works

Then play trist and destroy everyone

If anyone likes I can 1v1 them bot for a feel, though supports and junglers are indeed integral to how the lane functions
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 05 2012 15:03 GMT
#987
On August 05 2012 23:50 101toss wrote:
^learn graves first, learn how bot lane works

Then play trist and destroy everyone

If anyone likes I can 1v1 them bot for a feel, though supports and junglers are indeed integral to how the lane functions

1v1. With AD carrys.
wat am i
i dont
wat

1v1 top/mid is already unrealistic but bot? what the hell. That's the absolute most useless comparison in all of LoL.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also Trist is horribad in 1v1, I would actually like to see you try and 1v1 a remotely competent Graves
A backwards poet writes inverse.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 05 2012 15:06 GMT
#988
On August 06 2012 00:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 23:50 101toss wrote:
^learn graves first, learn how bot lane works

Then play trist and destroy everyone

If anyone likes I can 1v1 them bot for a feel, though supports and junglers are indeed integral to how the lane functions

1v1. With AD carrys.
wat am i
i dont
wat

1v1 top/mid is already unrealistic but bot? what the hell. That's the absolute most useless comparison in all of LoL.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also Trist is horribad in 1v1, I would actually like to see you try and 1v1 a remotely competent Graves

You never played in the glorious days of ashe mid have you?
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 05 2012 15:08 GMT
#989
Oh my. People saying Taric is too strong? I remember when the new Taric came out (new R, W, modified Q and E duration) and people were saying he'd be useless while I tried telling everyone how he was seriously legit. /hipster

Ok. Bot lane.

In Bot lane, the Support should be creating farm space for the carry. It's not enough to sit in the bush all day and throw out an occasional heal. This isn't Season 1 any more. The support needs to be moving, and pressuring the other side and deterring aggression, or responding to aggression. For example,a s Leona you have a really big threat range that says "If you get within E distance of me, I will all in your face." Keep moving to relieve pressure from your AD so they can just last hit.

The AD needs to be able to follow up on the support. Again, Leona as the example. If I see the other AD overextend like an idiot and their support isn't ready to peel and I can see you close enough to follow up, I am going to go all in and punch their face in. Don't keep hitting minions. Go in on them and follow up. You need to be on the same page as your support and understand what they want to do. Communication is super important.

Of course, in solo queue people act like idiots all the time. So eh. As the AD, you'll generally have to make more plays, especially since there will rarely be a support who understands the lane dynamics, wave control, threat ranges and burst levels. If you watch Doublelift, you'll notice he sometimes forgoes one or two cs every wave to get harass on the other AD. Generally their support will be just as bad as yours. And AD players tend to only think about ricing. So when you go in to last hit, forget that 20 gold you could get from a minion. Go auto the other AD Carry and use a spell on them. (e.g. As Caitlyn hit them and then Q them and hit them again when they run). Boom. Instant lane control. Sure the lane will push a little but that's what wards are for. And you're Caitlyn. What do you care lol.

Awesomefusion has done a series of guides on Youtube about playing AD Carry, especially in solo queue. They're pretty useful so do check them out if you're interested.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 05 2012 15:08 GMT
#990
On August 06 2012 00:06 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 00:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 05 2012 23:50 101toss wrote:
^learn graves first, learn how bot lane works

Then play trist and destroy everyone

If anyone likes I can 1v1 them bot for a feel, though supports and junglers are indeed integral to how the lane functions

1v1. With AD carrys.
wat am i
i dont
wat

1v1 top/mid is already unrealistic but bot? what the hell. That's the absolute most useless comparison in all of LoL.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also Trist is horribad in 1v1, I would actually like to see you try and 1v1 a remotely competent Graves

You never played in the glorious days of ashe mid have you?

I played ashe mid until like lvl 20 :D
Cackle™
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 05 2012 15:08 GMT
#991
On August 06 2012 00:06 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 00:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 05 2012 23:50 101toss wrote:
^learn graves first, learn how bot lane works

Then play trist and destroy everyone

If anyone likes I can 1v1 them bot for a feel, though supports and junglers are indeed integral to how the lane functions

1v1. With AD carrys.
wat am i
i dont
wat

1v1 top/mid is already unrealistic but bot? what the hell. That's the absolute most useless comparison in all of LoL.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also Trist is horribad in 1v1, I would actually like to see you try and 1v1 a remotely competent Graves

You never played in the glorious days of ashe mid have you?

Sure I have.
But almost all the ADs have been patched differently by now.
And currently, saying you can 1v1 somebody with an AD is nice, but not useful in any way.

Also when AD mid was popular, the really strong 1v1ers like Graves or Draven were not even out.

I promise you it would be different now than it was then.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 05 2012 15:15 GMT
#992
The reason trist wins is because 525 range sucks dick

Also I put in a disclaimer that 1v1 bot isn't quite accurate but still gives a feel for the matchup
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
August 05 2012 15:21 GMT
#993
1v1 everything works. Why does it matter what role it is. It builds experience, even if building for 1v1 only. Experience is all that matters in this type of game. This is some real weird discussion. Why is it even up to debate why it's good to learn using 1v1?
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
August 05 2012 15:27 GMT
#994
On August 06 2012 00:08 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Oh my. People saying Taric is too strong? I remember when the new Taric came out (new R, W, modified Q and E duration) and people were saying he'd be useless while I tried telling everyone how he was seriously legit. /hipster

Ok. Bot lane.

In Bot lane, the Support should be creating farm space for the carry. It's not enough to sit in the bush all day and throw out an occasional heal. This isn't Season 1 any more. The support needs to be moving, and pressuring the other side and deterring aggression, or responding to aggression. For example,a s Leona you have a really big threat range that says "If you get within E distance of me, I will all in your face." Keep moving to relieve pressure from your AD so they can just last hit.

The AD needs to be able to follow up on the support. Again, Leona as the example. If I see the other AD overextend like an idiot and their support isn't ready to peel and I can see you close enough to follow up, I am going to go all in and punch their face in. Don't keep hitting minions. Go in on them and follow up. You need to be on the same page as your support and understand what they want to do. Communication is super important.

Of course, in solo queue people act like idiots all the time. So eh. As the AD, you'll generally have to make more plays, especially since there will rarely be a support who understands the lane dynamics, wave control, threat ranges and burst levels. If you watch Doublelift, you'll notice he sometimes forgoes one or two cs every wave to get harass on the other AD. Generally their support will be just as bad as yours. And AD players tend to only think about ricing. So when you go in to last hit, forget that 20 gold you could get from a minion. Go auto the other AD Carry and use a spell on them. (e.g. As Caitlyn hit them and then Q them and hit them again when they run). Boom. Instant lane control. Sure the lane will push a little but that's what wards are for. And you're Caitlyn. What do you care lol.

Awesomefusion has done a series of guides on Youtube about playing AD Carry, especially in solo queue. They're pretty useful so do check them out if you're interested.

doesnt hurt that most other supports have been nerfed since l0l
Hey! Listen!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 05 2012 15:35 GMT
#995
On August 05 2012 23:27 gtrsrs wrote:
thanks for the bot lane help guys, i will start banning blitz and try picking up graves
the problem is never my last hitting - i mean i'm playing in the 1300s, everyone there is bad, i win the cs battle by 20+ every laning phase. the problem is just as soon as my opponent makes an aggro move, i'm not sure how to respond. sometimes i run and live. sometimes i stand and fight and live. but most times i run and die or fight and die. even when playing corki. i guess i should just duo it up with someone and get a feel for more exchanges. also phosphorous bomb is hard as hell to hit wtf



as for the internet rage thing, i think it's safe to say that most competitive people who are in the game to win it (i.e. most of us on TL) are mature enough to not let ragers get to them, and mature enough not to fly off the handle at someone for making a mistake. the thing is, it feels like the lol population is primarily 12-to-14-year-olds, and THEY are just bundles of hormones and emotions and angst at their parents; when someone ELSE on your team makes a mistake, your teammates are going to blow their lid off onto THEM. that's when the problems start. if there was an ignore button you could make so that teammate X couldn't hear teammate Y, i would win every game. i have no problem staying calm, i just need a way to help my teammates stay calm (by blocking my other teammates from communicating with them)

is hitting q too hard for you?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
August 05 2012 16:00 GMT
#996
Just a random question concerning banning:
What would happen if teams didn't take turns banning, and instead were allowed to use all their bans in a certain time limit? What would be the effect on higher level play, and even lower level play?
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 16:03:35
August 05 2012 16:01 GMT
#997
yes, the delay and cast time make it really really weird
lots of times i try to shoot it and then change my mind but it's like already in cast animation and i can't cancel it and i just hate it
i like everything else about corki, honestly i'd consider maxing E on him because i'm so bad with Q

i also have never landed a single caitlyn Q in a game either
i really don't like cast times on skillshots O_O
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 05 2012 16:04 GMT
#998
On August 06 2012 01:00 Dark_Chill wrote:
Just a random question concerning banning:
What would happen if teams didn't take turns banning, and instead were allowed to use all their bans in a certain time limit? What would be the effect on higher level play, and even lower level play?

Teams would get really good at fast-banning everything on like the last 2 seconds of the timer, and you'd get a few wasted bans because teams accidentally tried to ban the same thing and ran out of time.

If it's free-banning, and you have 1 min 30 sec to ban, there is zero reason to ban anything until like the last 3 seconds because revealing any information earlier gives your opponents time to react.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 05 2012 16:08 GMT
#999
On August 05 2012 23:50 101toss wrote:
^learn graves first, learn how bot lane works

Then play trist and destroy everyone

If anyone likes I can 1v1 them bot for a feel, though supports and junglers are indeed integral to how the lane functions

I think practicing bot lane without junglers is more okay than top or mid since it's the hardest lane to gank by far, but practicing AD carry without supports is way dumber than practicing 1v1 top or mid. It's like at a completely new level of irrelevant.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 05 2012 16:11 GMT
#1000
On August 06 2012 01:01 gtrsrs wrote:
yes, the delay and cast time make it really really weird
lots of times i try to shoot it and then change my mind but it's like already in cast animation and i can't cancel it and i just hate it
i like everything else about corki, honestly i'd consider maxing E on him because i'm so bad with Q

i also have never landed a single caitlyn Q in a game either
i really don't like cast times on skillshots O_O


Don't sweep your faults under the rug, get better at skillshots.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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