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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 11 2012 20:25 GMT
#2781
Vayne has %hp true damage, 'nuff said. Isn't she considered one of the top (lategame) AD carries along with like Ashe, Kog and Tristana?
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Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
August 11 2012 20:27 GMT
#2782
On August 12 2012 05:18 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 04:38 Requizen wrote:
On August 12 2012 04:36 Celial wrote:
dunno. thought maybe the ult cancels because tf becomes "untargettable" for a splitsecond.

I don't think he does. I could be mistaken, but I think the only abilities that make you "untargettable" are Shaco ult and Alpha Strike.


fiora ult and fizz w also make you untargettable.

I think you mean fizz e, his w is his aa modifier. Does vlad pool and zhonya's fall under that?

101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 11 2012 20:27 GMT
#2783
On August 12 2012 05:18 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 04:38 Requizen wrote:
On August 12 2012 04:36 Celial wrote:
dunno. thought maybe the ult cancels because tf becomes "untargettable" for a splitsecond.

I don't think he does. I could be mistaken, but I think the only abilities that make you "untargettable" are Shaco ult and Alpha Strike.


fiora ult and fizz w also make you untargettable.

What happens when you zonya's and shen is ulting you? I think he still tp's but not certain
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 20:31:24
August 11 2012 20:31 GMT
#2784
She(Caitlyn) can get shit done in the midgame like no other


If you mean what she does in the midgame is shit, then I agree.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 11 2012 20:35 GMT
#2785
On August 12 2012 04:38 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 04:36 Celial wrote:
dunno. thought maybe the ult cancels because tf becomes "untargettable" for a splitsecond.

I don't think he does. I could be mistaken, but I think the only abilities that make you "untargettable" are Shaco ult and Alpha Strike.

Edit:

These IPL Casters. "Draven has issues when Bruisers get on his face". Because a knockback/slow and a sprint that refreshes on Q isn't good escape? I honestly think he's one of the slipperiest AD carries.

Also: "Every other AD carry has a blink." MF/Kog/Varus/Ashe/Vayne? Tumble too short ranged to really be considered, imo.

Gonna clarify this:
TF ult does not make him untargetable, ever.
I've seen TFs die (or at least get hit by) to projectiles across half the map cause some AA/ryze Q/whatever followed him.

Same thing goes for TP, fyi
A backwards poet writes inverse.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
August 11 2012 20:36 GMT
#2786
who is currently best ap mid from this 3 champions : zyra,cass, orianna?
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
August 11 2012 20:38 GMT
#2787
On August 12 2012 05:27 Leonite7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 05:18 BlackPaladin wrote:
On August 12 2012 04:38 Requizen wrote:
On August 12 2012 04:36 Celial wrote:
dunno. thought maybe the ult cancels because tf becomes "untargettable" for a splitsecond.

I don't think he does. I could be mistaken, but I think the only abilities that make you "untargettable" are Shaco ult and Alpha Strike.


fiora ult and fizz w also make you untargettable.

I think you mean fizz e, his w is his aa modifier. Does vlad pool and zhonya's fall under that?



Yeah, I meant e.

Vlad's pool makes him untargettable yet a debuff will still affect him, such as noct's fear, ignite and other DoT ticks, etc.
Zhonyas makes you untargettable so you don't even take dot ticks.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 11 2012 20:38 GMT
#2788
Anivia.
+ Show Spoiler +
I know she's not an option.
It's still true
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 11 2012 21:00 GMT
#2789
On August 11 2012 23:24 AngryFarmer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 22:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 11 2012 20:16 wei2coolman wrote:
My experience was with kat, it's impossible to turn a game around game if your team is behind in the beginning of late game.


Same with almost any AP mids.

Her ability to "turn" a game depends on her ability to land a good ult or have a good cleanup. It is often possible to win otherwise impossible teamfights with Kat because of her potential damage from her R.


Yeah. It's kind of crazy since it's possible for her to lose lane, roam around and come back rich as hell lol. I feel like her new ult isn't going to be that much of an influence since pros should be able to stop her ult immediately.


TBH she loses almost any lane (she has maybe 1 strong matchup... against Lux).
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 11 2012 21:06 GMT
#2790
Sona is not bad against Blitzcrank. If Blitzcrank misses a grab, Sona will zone him hard until it is off cooldown.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 11 2012 21:09 GMT
#2791
On August 12 2012 06:00 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 23:24 AngryFarmer wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 11 2012 20:16 wei2coolman wrote:
My experience was with kat, it's impossible to turn a game around game if your team is behind in the beginning of late game.


Same with almost any AP mids.

Her ability to "turn" a game depends on her ability to land a good ult or have a good cleanup. It is often possible to win otherwise impossible teamfights with Kat because of her potential damage from her R.


Yeah. It's kind of crazy since it's possible for her to lose lane, roam around and come back rich as hell lol. I feel like her new ult isn't going to be that much of an influence since pros should be able to stop her ult immediately.


TBH she loses almost any lane (she has maybe 1 strong matchup... against Lux).

It's funny you say that, because every time I've seen a kat on a stream or whatever she farmed really well and could roam too.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 11 2012 21:13 GMT
#2792
On August 12 2012 06:09 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 06:00 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 11 2012 23:24 AngryFarmer wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 11 2012 20:16 wei2coolman wrote:
My experience was with kat, it's impossible to turn a game around game if your team is behind in the beginning of late game.


Same with almost any AP mids.

Her ability to "turn" a game depends on her ability to land a good ult or have a good cleanup. It is often possible to win otherwise impossible teamfights with Kat because of her potential damage from her R.


Yeah. It's kind of crazy since it's possible for her to lose lane, roam around and come back rich as hell lol. I feel like her new ult isn't going to be that much of an influence since pros should be able to stop her ult immediately.


TBH she loses almost any lane (she has maybe 1 strong matchup... against Lux).

It's funny you say that, because every time I've seen a kat on a stream or whatever she farmed really well and could roam too.


It's hard to say. Kat's lvl 1-5 is absolutely atrocious.... also she lacks some aspects of a good mid laner in the current meta.... but she is amazing at cleaning up fights so it's easy to get fed if her teammates are doing reasonably well.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
August 11 2012 21:15 GMT
#2793
On August 12 2012 06:00 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 23:24 AngryFarmer wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 11 2012 20:16 wei2coolman wrote:
My experience was with kat, it's impossible to turn a game around game if your team is behind in the beginning of late game.


Same with almost any AP mids.

Her ability to "turn" a game depends on her ability to land a good ult or have a good cleanup. It is often possible to win otherwise impossible teamfights with Kat because of her potential damage from her R.


Yeah. It's kind of crazy since it's possible for her to lose lane, roam around and come back rich as hell lol. I feel like her new ult isn't going to be that much of an influence since pros should be able to stop her ult immediately.


TBH she loses almost any lane (she has maybe 1 strong matchup... against Lux).

Cass works okay-ish too, Ahri is doable if you have a Janna on your team, so is TF. But yeah, STRONG matchups are really really rare. I kind of hate the fact they change her, she's in a good spot as of now.
currently rooting for myself.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 11 2012 21:21 GMT
#2794
On August 12 2012 06:15 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 06:00 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 11 2012 23:24 AngryFarmer wrote:
On August 11 2012 22:38 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 11 2012 20:16 wei2coolman wrote:
My experience was with kat, it's impossible to turn a game around game if your team is behind in the beginning of late game.


Same with almost any AP mids.

Her ability to "turn" a game depends on her ability to land a good ult or have a good cleanup. It is often possible to win otherwise impossible teamfights with Kat because of her potential damage from her R.


Yeah. It's kind of crazy since it's possible for her to lose lane, roam around and come back rich as hell lol. I feel like her new ult isn't going to be that much of an influence since pros should be able to stop her ult immediately.


TBH she loses almost any lane (she has maybe 1 strong matchup... against Lux).

Cass works okay-ish too, Ahri is doable if you have a Janna on your team, so is TF. But yeah, STRONG matchups are really really rare. I kind of hate the fact they change her, she's in a good spot as of now.


Against Cassiopeia, TF, and Ahri, it's mostly a skill matchup (for Kat's opponent)... Her skill ceiling during the laning phase is really low and depends mostly on luck right now.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
August 11 2012 21:42 GMT
#2795
If you flash while stealthed do people see?
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
August 11 2012 21:54 GMT
#2796
On August 12 2012 05:36 kongoline wrote:
who is currently best ap mid from this 3 champions : zyra,cass, orianna?

Probably Zyra currently.

Cass brings huge sustained damage all game as well as a great counter initiation ult.

Orianna brings great utility and decent damage as well as an awesome ult if you have a strong initiation ala Malphite/Ashe/Amumu.

Zyra has both huge damage and great utility on top of an awesome ult that is great as a follow up to strong initiation.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 11 2012 21:55 GMT
#2797
Fun fact: With the turret target notification sound, when you dive with Fiora ult it targets you after every hit. Bling! Bling! Bling! Bling! Bling!
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 11 2012 22:04 GMT
#2798
On August 11 2012 19:08 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 19:02 Unentschieden wrote:
On August 11 2012 18:47 Noocta wrote:
I don't like how they literraly change the way a champion is played because he's not competitive enough.
You're gonna have non competitive picks in a 100 champions pool, that's inevitable. No need to be obsessed about it. ;;


We had a decidedly and intentionally uncompetitive champ in Evelynn. No one liked that. Keep in mind that there is a BIG difference between "not to the taste/playstyle/strategy of worldclass teams" and "this champ is bad and you should feel bad".

Pretty sure he was talking about kat, who atleast saw play in soloqueue and won games.

Kat saw use in a couple tournaments when Scarra was playing right?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 11 2012 22:08 GMT
#2799
On August 12 2012 07:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 19:08 JackDino wrote:
On August 11 2012 19:02 Unentschieden wrote:
On August 11 2012 18:47 Noocta wrote:
I don't like how they literraly change the way a champion is played because he's not competitive enough.
You're gonna have non competitive picks in a 100 champions pool, that's inevitable. No need to be obsessed about it. ;;


We had a decidedly and intentionally uncompetitive champ in Evelynn. No one liked that. Keep in mind that there is a BIG difference between "not to the taste/playstyle/strategy of worldclass teams" and "this champ is bad and you should feel bad".

Pretty sure he was talking about kat, who atleast saw play in soloqueue and won games.

Kat saw use in a couple tournaments when Scarra was playing right?

Yeah dig played kat in a tourney but in a tourney game you actually have to build your entire team around her.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 11 2012 22:10 GMT
#2800
On August 12 2012 06:54 Bladeorade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 05:36 kongoline wrote:
who is currently best ap mid from this 3 champions : zyra,cass, orianna?

Probably Zyra currently.

Cass brings huge sustained damage all game as well as a great counter initiation ult.

Orianna brings great utility and decent damage as well as an awesome ult if you have a strong initiation ala Malphite/Ashe/Amumu.

Zyra has both huge damage and great utility on top of an awesome ult that is great as a follow up to strong initiation.


I feel that there is no longer any point to play Cassiopeia or Orianna because Zyra is available.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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