EPT[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 142
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Chiharu Harukaze
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101toss
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On August 12 2012 08:08 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Gragas has always been a very European thing for some reason and never quite caught on in NA. Similar to how Shen was overlooked in EU but popular in NA. Both regions tend to have certain trends towards certain things. (Remember Rumble at the S1 Championships?) Remember chinese ezreal? While theoddone was bashing him all day? maxing w breaks things man | ||
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Similar to how Shen was overlooked in EU but popular in NA. Both regions tend to have certain trends towards certain things. (Remember Rumble at the S1 Championships?) Shen is a bad example maybe he wasnt that popular in europe but he was still considered really really strong and was a top pick. Better example might be Alistar which is really rarely banned in europe right now (he starts to get banned) or the supports midlane (soraka was never popular janna was a bit lulu wasnt really popular either) or as you said rumble who was considered trash in america or kogmaw who was permabanned in europe for like 1 month when he cleaned house in new york  | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
Champion appearance rate in ranked on smurf (on either team): Ezreal: 44.44% (28/63) Graves: 42.86% (27/63) Both at same time: 25.4% (16/63) Ezreal super FotM still. Graves just won't die off either. | ||
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Noobville17921 Posts
On August 12 2012 08:17 Craton wrote: Speaking of Ezreal: Champion appearance rate in ranked on smurf (on either team): Ezreal: 44.44% (28/63) Graves: 42.86% (27/63 Ezreal super FotM still. Graves just won't die off either. Don't die yet, that was only a warning statistic! | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 12 2012 07:55 TheKefka wrote: I mean,I don't agree with that at all.People played kassadins for the longest time who is an even worse farmer pre 6. I don't think gragas has any terrible matchup right now,yea he has a bit of tough time until like lvl 3 maybe but his W gives him so much sustain that you can't shove him out of lane,he takes a drink,gets damage reduction and goes into cs.Even if you go like 15 cs down during your "weak" phase you'll still catch up anyway.You'll go oom sooner than you will push a gragas out of the lane and when he reaches 6 he will just randomly ult you and shove you out of lane when he gets blue because its on such a low cooldown.Against his worst matchup he will go even on farm probably in worst case scenario lol. And how is his teamfight bad? You pretty much zone people at their towers with barrels and than ult if someone gets caught or if too many people clump up. If you miss your ult you pull back wait 30 seconds and it's back up again....just so fucking ridic... The difference being Kassadin is point and click damage whereas Gragas damage is almost all avoidable. Shoving Gragas out of lane isn't easy, but it's not that hard. His problems in teamfight comes from the fact that he only has 3 damaging abilities, one of which requires being in melee range and one of which is his ult (late edit: Also, using your E to damage means it's also not available for a possible escape, even if the cd is relatively short). When you're max rank and good CDR you can spam barrels relatively often, but you're still an entirely skill shot based ap champion that might find its way entirely into melee range to do the most damage. That, and silences and other forms of CC can majorly fuck up your damage because you can't activate yoru barrels if you're silenced even after you've thrown them out. Being somebody who plays Gragas a lot, playing against them becomes much, much easier. Learning to avoid barrels by understanding their max range, travel speed, etc and it isn't that difficult. | ||
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kongoline
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On August 12 2012 07:50 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I would never agree with this. Morde hates burst champions and grag bursts very hard. Add that to no escape for Morde means that when gragas ults, morde is 100% dead assuming there's jungler help too. edit about lategame: It's true that grag's late game isn't phenomenal... but he can siege towers extremely well because if you get enough AP you just force the enemy off of towers. A good ult can also decide fights entirely. what? its other way around morde shits on bursty casters and has problems vs sustained dmg (hi cass) | ||
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JackDino
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On August 12 2012 08:41 kongoline wrote: what? its other way around morde shits on bursty casters and has problems vs sustained dmg (hi cass) Lol morde is dead against bursty casters if they can burst him before he gets his shield up. Grag is good at doing so because of the range. Also gragas his lategame is actually really good with .9 and 1.0 ap ratios, especially when he can make positioning hell for the enemy carry with his long range ult. It's like blitz hook except it's way way better(insane range) and does way more damage. | ||
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MooMooMugi
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101toss
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On August 12 2012 08:50 Sufficiency wrote: Lane swapping = new meta. I'll take "what to do vs Kassadin" for 200 | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 12 2012 08:41 kongoline wrote: what? its other way around morde shits on bursty casters and has problems vs sustained dmg (hi cass) Morde's shields don't just regenerate instantly. You blow through it and into a big chunk of his hp. A few seconds later you get to do it again. His shield is never strong enough to protect him from the amount of damage Gragas' spells do. Burst is what Morde fears because his shield doesn't stop enough damage. He beats slower sustained champs more because he's like them... but constantly has a shield to absorb a decent % of the damage in trades. Cass is generally an exception because, well, she's Cass. She can spam abilities on an obscenely short CD. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
Morde doesn't give a shit about burst unless it comes before he has any shield and he dies before he can cast any spells. Obviously you take damage through a full shield vs a full combo, but you mitigate enough of it that you live with room to spare and then instantly go to town on what touched you. | ||
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zer0das
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:04 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Morde's shields don't just regenerate instantly. You blow through it and into a big chunk of his hp. A few seconds later you get to do it again. His shield is never strong enough to protect him from the amount of damage Gragas' spells do. Burst is what Morde fears because his shield doesn't stop enough damage. He beats slower sustained champs more because he's like them... but constantly has a shield to absorb a decent % of the damage in trades. Cass is generally an exception because, well, she's Cass. She can spam abilities on an obscenely short CD. Gragas can't kill Morde without ult, and if even with your ult you don't kill him, there's jack you can do until your ult comes back up. Its why Morde does so well vs Morgana, he can survive her 100-0 attempt with ult with just barely some HP left, and then she can't do anything while it is on CD. The kind of burst we're talking about is like Annie; Ryze and Cass have "burst" that can come up before Morde's CDs are back up to shield more, but that is more like constant damage rather than instant 100-0. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:42 zer0das wrote: Anyone notice the achievements tab? Can't access it yet but looks like they're planning something. :> It has been there since like forever lol. | ||
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zer0das
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 12 2012 09:51 xes wrote: Gragas can't kill Morde without ult, and even with your ult you don't kill him, there's jack you can do until your ult comes back up. Its why Morde does so well vs Morgana, he can survive her 100-0 attempt with ult with just barely some HP left, and then she can't do anything while it is on CD. The kind of burst we're talking about is like Annie; Ryze and Cass have "burst" that can come up before Morde's CDs are back up to shield more, but that is more like constant damage rather than instant 100-0. My mind is being blown right now. Have you ever played Grags vs Morde on either side? It's not even a close matchup. Morde's range means he has to be in the sweet spot for Gragas. Your barrels can land in medium range with a high % but are still close enough that the Morde can't effectively dodge them. To add to that, Gragas' ult CD is basically 1/2 of Morde's, so the threat to him is around more frequently. And these little discussions aren't even about the biggest problem for Morde in the matchup: Jungle ganks. Gragas gets a slow (or escape) and a huge knockback. Morde gets.... nothing. If it's a straight up 1v1 with no jungle intereference, then maybe Morde can get more aggressive knowing that he can try to get in grag's face to land his spells once he gets a revolver. In anything resembling a real game Morde becomes a sitting duck for ganks that gragas facilitates very well. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
My best winrates on champs with > 10 games played (on main) are + Show Spoiler + Soraka: 33-13 (71.7%) Rammus: 38-16 (70.4%) Cass: 16-8 (66.7%) Renekton: 16-9 (64%) Janna: 29-21 (58%) I'm also 6-1 Naut and 4-1 Nunu. Best winrates on smurf (lol): + Show Spoiler + Ahri: 13-2 (86.7%) Graves: 15-5 (75%) Jarvan: 14-5 (73.7%) Sivir: 10-4 (71.4%) Nunu 7-4 (63.6%) | ||
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