EPT[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 141
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On August 12 2012 06:42 sob3k wrote: If you flash while stealthed do people see? Should see the particles. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 12 2012 07:14 TheKefka wrote: Imo gragas is broken right now,people just don't know it yet. Anyone with a displacement ability is broken | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 12 2012 07:16 101toss wrote: Anyone with a displacement ability is broken Gragas has one of the easiest laning phase in the game (7 seconds CD gap closer wtf?!) and an easy wave clear. His teamfight is very tricky though. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 12 2012 07:16 101toss wrote: Anyone with a displacement ability is broken Yea but gragas ult is just fucking retardedly OP,it has a 1.0 scale,1050 range and a ridiculously short cooldown on top of the displacement.I don't understand how we don't see him in tournaments at all.I think people are just saving him for nationals,he is going to be pick or ban I feel like in every game. On top of that he pretty much annihilates khartus in every aspect who is one of the most common mid picks right now. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 12 2012 05:35 Dandel Ion wrote: Gonna clarify this: TF ult does not make him untargetable, ever. I've seen TFs die (or at least get hit by) to projectiles across half the map cause some AA/ryze Q/whatever followed him. Same thing goes for TP, fyi TF grabs by Blitz cross-map is funniest thing ever | ||
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
Definately a stong pick, but can be counterpicked. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
Imo gragas is broken right now,people just don't know it yet. would agree with him being broken but people not knowing it kinda not true Gragas in europe high elo is often picked or even banned. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 12 2012 07:23 TheKefka wrote: Yea but gragas ult is just fucking retardedly OP,it has a 1.0 scale,1050 range and a ridiculously short cooldown on top of the displacement.I don't understand how we don't see him in tournaments at all.I think people are just saving him for nationals,he is going to be pick or ban I feel like in every game. On top of that he pretty much annihilates khartus in every aspect who is one of the most common mid picks right now. Gragas has been one of, if not my best, champion for ages. His problem is specifically that he can have a lot of bad matchups. With a melee autoattack, plenty of champs can really punish him when he has to cs. And if Gragas is always using mana to clear instead of autos then he can't harass effectively. I do love Gragas since the buffs though... the added base HP is really helpful along w/ the changes to his E. If the jungler is near mid and Grag uses his autos to last hit, then he's 1/2 way up in the lane, possibly putting himself in a dangerous situation even with his escape. | ||
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kongoline
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Step 2. Build Chalice Step 3. Spam your shit Step 4. Win lane win game | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 12 2012 07:48 kongoline wrote: gragas has pretty bad late game compered to other top ap mids, also morde counters him hard u will be able to farm (after few levels cuz of range etc) but he outscales gragas hard I would never agree with this. Morde hates burst champions and grag bursts very hard. Add that to no escape for Morde means that when gragas ults, morde is 100% dead assuming there's jungler help too. edit about lategame: It's true that grag's late game isn't phenomenal... but he can siege towers extremely well because if you get enough AP you just force the enemy off of towers. A good ult can also decide fights entirely. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 12 2012 07:48 kongoline wrote: gragas has pretty bad late game compered to other top ap mids, also morde counters him hard u will be able to farm (after few levels cuz of range etc) but he outscales gragas hard While he has less consistent dps... did I mention displacement is broken? | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
Step 1. Pick Gragas Mid Step 2. Build Chalice Step 3. Spam your shit Step 4. Win lane win game Gragas doesnt need chalice more like: build dfg build abyssal build Deathcap oneshot everything gragas has pretty bad late game compered to other top ap mids, also morde counters him hard u will be able to farm (after few levels cuz of range etc) but he outscales gragas hard Morde is horrible vs Gragas Oo Gragas can oneshot him. Gragas lategame isnt his brilliant part but its not bad either: good poke potential to oneshot everything the issue is his dps is kinda low compared to for example cassiopeia | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Mine are: Malphite 68.2% Ahri 66.7% Kayle 65.7% Shyvana 65.6% Lux 63.4% Honorable Mention to Taric with 76.5% but only 17 games played (13-4) I think I am going to start playing these champs again I kind of stopped playing every single one of these champs' aside from Taric | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On August 12 2012 07:47 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Gragas has been one of, if not my best, champion for ages. His problem is specifically that he can have a lot of bad matchups. With a melee autoattack, plenty of champs can really punish him when he has to cs. And if Gragas is always using mana to clear instead of autos then he can't harass effectively. I do love Gragas since the buffs though... the added base HP is really helpful along w/ the changes to his E. If the jungler is near mid and Grag uses his autos to last hit, then he's 1/2 way up in the lane, possibly putting himself in a dangerous situation even with his escape. I just cant stand teamfighting with him, you basically get a barrel and ult, maybe a slam if someone gets out of position and you can do it safely. If that isn't enough damage to fuck several people up you are in trouble, CD's so long. If you miss a barrel god help you, you have basically no damage output. You have to have plenty of team damage. His ult displacement is also really buggy and unpredictable sometimes. I much prefer orianna. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 12 2012 07:47 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Gragas has been one of, if not my best, champion for ages. His problem is specifically that he can have a lot of bad matchups. With a melee autoattack, plenty of champs can really punish him when he has to cs. And if Gragas is always using mana to clear instead of autos then he can't harass effectively. I do love Gragas since the buffs though... the added base HP is really helpful along w/ the changes to his E. If the jungler is near mid and Grag uses his autos to last hit, then he's 1/2 way up in the lane, possibly putting himself in a dangerous situation even with his escape. I mean,I don't agree with that at all.People played kassadins for the longest time who is an even worse farmer pre 6. I don't think gragas has any terrible matchup right now,yea he has a bit of tough time until like lvl 3 maybe but his W gives him so much sustain that you can't shove him out of lane,he takes a drink,gets damage reduction and goes into cs.Even if you go like 15 cs down during your "weak" phase you'll still catch up anyway.You'll go oom sooner than you will push a gragas out of the lane and when he reaches 6 he will just randomly ult you and shove you out of lane when he gets blue because its on such a low cooldown.Against his worst matchup he will go even on farm probably in worst case scenario lol. And how is his teamfight bad? You pretty much zone people at their towers with barrels and than ult if someone gets caught or if too many people clump up. If you miss your ult you pull back wait 30 seconds and it's back up again....just so fucking ridic... | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
Soraka 68.8% | ||
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