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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 11 2012 22:14 GMT
#2801
Imo gragas is broken right now,people just don't know it yet.
Cackle™
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
August 11 2012 22:15 GMT
#2802
On August 12 2012 06:42 sob3k wrote:
If you flash while stealthed do people see?

Should see the particles.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 11 2012 22:16 GMT
#2803
On August 12 2012 07:14 TheKefka wrote:
Imo gragas is broken right now,people just don't know it yet.

Anyone with a displacement ability is broken
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 11 2012 22:22 GMT
#2804
On August 12 2012 07:16 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 07:14 TheKefka wrote:
Imo gragas is broken right now,people just don't know it yet.

Anyone with a displacement ability is broken


Gragas has one of the easiest laning phase in the game (7 seconds CD gap closer wtf?!) and an easy wave clear. His teamfight is very tricky though.
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 22:25:16
August 11 2012 22:23 GMT
#2805
On August 12 2012 07:16 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 07:14 TheKefka wrote:
Imo gragas is broken right now,people just don't know it yet.

Anyone with a displacement ability is broken

Yea but gragas ult is just fucking retardedly OP,it has a 1.0 scale,1050 range and a ridiculously short cooldown on top of the displacement.I don't understand how we don't see him in tournaments at all.I think people are just saving him for nationals,he is going to be pick or ban I feel like in every game.
On top of that he pretty much annihilates khartus in every aspect who is one of the most common mid picks right now.
Cackle™
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 11 2012 22:37 GMT
#2806
On August 12 2012 05:35 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 04:38 Requizen wrote:
On August 12 2012 04:36 Celial wrote:
dunno. thought maybe the ult cancels because tf becomes "untargettable" for a splitsecond.

I don't think he does. I could be mistaken, but I think the only abilities that make you "untargettable" are Shaco ult and Alpha Strike.

Edit:

These IPL Casters. "Draven has issues when Bruisers get on his face". Because a knockback/slow and a sprint that refreshes on Q isn't good escape? I honestly think he's one of the slipperiest AD carries.

Also: "Every other AD carry has a blink." MF/Kog/Varus/Ashe/Vayne? Tumble too short ranged to really be considered, imo.

Gonna clarify this:
TF ult does not make him untargetable, ever.
I've seen TFs die (or at least get hit by) to projectiles across half the map cause some AA/ryze Q/whatever followed him.

Same thing goes for TP, fyi


TF grabs by Blitz cross-map is funniest thing ever
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
August 11 2012 22:37 GMT
#2807
Gragas has some quite bad matchups afaik, and a few champs hard counter him (I saw Zekent obliterate a gragas top with Poppy, I think Jax and Xin does really well versus him too if you are willing to laneswap).

Definately a stong pick, but can be counterpicked.
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 11 2012 22:38 GMT
#2808
Gragas is not usually played top, hes played mid and has a few bad matchups but can still farm safely because of his long range barrels.
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Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
August 11 2012 22:42 GMT
#2809
Imo gragas is broken right now,people just don't know it yet.

would agree with him being broken but people not knowing it kinda not true Gragas in europe high elo is often picked or even banned.
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 22:47:19
August 11 2012 22:46 GMT
#2810
Yea that is true,he is a fairly common pick here.I was just implying that people don't use him in pro play yet for whatever reason.
Cackle™
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 22:48:28
August 11 2012 22:47 GMT
#2811
On August 12 2012 07:23 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 07:16 101toss wrote:
On August 12 2012 07:14 TheKefka wrote:
Imo gragas is broken right now,people just don't know it yet.

Anyone with a displacement ability is broken

Yea but gragas ult is just fucking retardedly OP,it has a 1.0 scale,1050 range and a ridiculously short cooldown on top of the displacement.I don't understand how we don't see him in tournaments at all.I think people are just saving him for nationals,he is going to be pick or ban I feel like in every game.
On top of that he pretty much annihilates khartus in every aspect who is one of the most common mid picks right now.


Gragas has been one of, if not my best, champion for ages. His problem is specifically that he can have a lot of bad matchups. With a melee autoattack, plenty of champs can really punish him when he has to cs. And if Gragas is always using mana to clear instead of autos then he can't harass effectively. I do love Gragas since the buffs though... the added base HP is really helpful along w/ the changes to his E. If the jungler is near mid and Grag uses his autos to last hit, then he's 1/2 way up in the lane, possibly putting himself in a dangerous situation even with his escape.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
August 11 2012 22:48 GMT
#2812
gragas has pretty bad late game compered to other top ap mids, also morde counters him hard u will be able to farm (after few levels cuz of range etc) but he outscales gragas hard
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 22:51:03
August 11 2012 22:50 GMT
#2813
Step 1. Pick Gragas Mid
Step 2. Build Chalice
Step 3. Spam your shit
Step 4. Win lane win game
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 22:54:14
August 11 2012 22:50 GMT
#2814
On August 12 2012 07:48 kongoline wrote:
gragas has pretty bad late game compered to other top ap mids, also morde counters him hard u will be able to farm (after few levels cuz of range etc) but he outscales gragas hard


I would never agree with this. Morde hates burst champions and grag bursts very hard. Add that to no escape for Morde means that when gragas ults, morde is 100% dead assuming there's jungler help too.

edit about lategame: It's true that grag's late game isn't phenomenal... but he can siege towers extremely well because if you get enough AP you just force the enemy off of towers. A good ult can also decide fights entirely.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 11 2012 22:51 GMT
#2815
On August 12 2012 07:48 kongoline wrote:
gragas has pretty bad late game compered to other top ap mids, also morde counters him hard u will be able to farm (after few levels cuz of range etc) but he outscales gragas hard

While he has less consistent dps...

did I mention displacement is broken?
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
August 11 2012 22:52 GMT
#2816
Step 1. Pick Gragas Mid
Step 2. Build Chalice
Step 3. Spam your shit
Step 4. Win lane win game

Gragas doesnt need chalice more like:
build dfg build abyssal build Deathcap oneshot everything

gragas has pretty bad late game compered to other top ap mids, also morde counters him hard u will be able to farm (after few levels cuz of range etc) but he outscales gragas hard


Morde is horrible vs Gragas Oo Gragas can oneshot him. Gragas lategame isnt his brilliant part but its not bad either: good poke potential to oneshot everything the issue is his dps is kinda low compared to for example cassiopeia
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Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 22:54:57
August 11 2012 22:54 GMT
#2817
I am wondering what peoples highest win% and with what champs that is? With > 20 games played your top 5

Mine are:
Malphite 68.2%
Ahri 66.7%
Kayle 65.7%
Shyvana 65.6%
Lux 63.4%


Honorable Mention to Taric with 76.5% but only 17 games played (13-4)

I think I am going to start playing these champs again I kind of stopped playing every single one of these champs'

aside from Taric
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
August 11 2012 22:54 GMT
#2818
On August 12 2012 07:47 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 07:23 TheKefka wrote:
On August 12 2012 07:16 101toss wrote:
On August 12 2012 07:14 TheKefka wrote:
Imo gragas is broken right now,people just don't know it yet.

Anyone with a displacement ability is broken

Yea but gragas ult is just fucking retardedly OP,it has a 1.0 scale,1050 range and a ridiculously short cooldown on top of the displacement.I don't understand how we don't see him in tournaments at all.I think people are just saving him for nationals,he is going to be pick or ban I feel like in every game.
On top of that he pretty much annihilates khartus in every aspect who is one of the most common mid picks right now.


Gragas has been one of, if not my best, champion for ages. His problem is specifically that he can have a lot of bad matchups. With a melee autoattack, plenty of champs can really punish him when he has to cs. And if Gragas is always using mana to clear instead of autos then he can't harass effectively. I do love Gragas since the buffs though... the added base HP is really helpful along w/ the changes to his E. If the jungler is near mid and Grag uses his autos to last hit, then he's 1/2 way up in the lane, possibly putting himself in a dangerous situation even with his escape.


I just cant stand teamfighting with him, you basically get a barrel and ult, maybe a slam if someone gets out of position and you can do it safely. If that isn't enough damage to fuck several people up you are in trouble, CD's so long. If you miss a barrel god help you, you have basically no damage output. You have to have plenty of team damage.

His ult displacement is also really buggy and unpredictable sometimes.

I much prefer orianna.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 23:05:23
August 11 2012 22:55 GMT
#2819
On August 12 2012 07:47 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 07:23 TheKefka wrote:
On August 12 2012 07:16 101toss wrote:
On August 12 2012 07:14 TheKefka wrote:
Imo gragas is broken right now,people just don't know it yet.

Anyone with a displacement ability is broken

Yea but gragas ult is just fucking retardedly OP,it has a 1.0 scale,1050 range and a ridiculously short cooldown on top of the displacement.I don't understand how we don't see him in tournaments at all.I think people are just saving him for nationals,he is going to be pick or ban I feel like in every game.
On top of that he pretty much annihilates khartus in every aspect who is one of the most common mid picks right now.


Gragas has been one of, if not my best, champion for ages. His problem is specifically that he can have a lot of bad matchups. With a melee autoattack, plenty of champs can really punish him when he has to cs. And if Gragas is always using mana to clear instead of autos then he can't harass effectively. I do love Gragas since the buffs though... the added base HP is really helpful along w/ the changes to his E. If the jungler is near mid and Grag uses his autos to last hit, then he's 1/2 way up in the lane, possibly putting himself in a dangerous situation even with his escape.

I mean,I don't agree with that at all.People played kassadins for the longest time who is an even worse farmer pre 6.
I don't think gragas has any terrible matchup right now,yea he has a bit of tough time until like lvl 3 maybe but his W gives him so much sustain that you can't shove him out of lane,he takes a drink,gets damage reduction and goes into cs.Even if you go like 15 cs down during your "weak" phase you'll still catch up anyway.You'll go oom sooner than you will push a gragas out of the lane and when he reaches 6 he will just randomly ult you and shove you out of lane when he gets blue because its on such a low cooldown.Against his worst matchup he will go even on farm probably in worst case scenario lol.
And how is his teamfight bad?
You pretty much zone people at their towers with barrels and than ult if someone gets caught or if too many people clump up.
If you miss your ult you pull back wait 30 seconds and it's back up again....just so fucking ridic...
Cackle™
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 23:07:04
August 11 2012 23:05 GMT
#2820
Taric 67.1%
Soraka 68.8%
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