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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 17:16:32
August 11 2012 17:16 GMT
#2761
On August 12 2012 02:12 Celial wrote:

TSM picking Sona into Blitzcrank in IPL. Isn't that a lost lane from the beginning? Every single Sona vs Blitz I have played or seen on streams went HUGELY in the favor of Blitzcrank... (ADs are Ezreal (Blitz) and Corki (Sona))

Blitz beats any lane that ain't alistar/leona if he lands a hook...Why do you think blitz ain't picked so much in tournaments?People are slightly smarter than in solo que and don't get hooked.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 11 2012 17:17 GMT
#2762
In theory Blitz counters sustain lanes, but only if he grabs things. Sona Q is good harass especially against no sustain lane like Blitz.
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 11 2012 17:24 GMT
#2763
Its Xpecial's Sona vs Elementz's Blitzcrank..
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 11 2012 17:26 GMT
#2764
On August 12 2012 02:16 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 02:12 Celial wrote:

TSM picking Sona into Blitzcrank in IPL. Isn't that a lost lane from the beginning? Every single Sona vs Blitz I have played or seen on streams went HUGELY in the favor of Blitzcrank... (ADs are Ezreal (Blitz) and Corki (Sona))

Blitz beats any lane that ain't alistar/leona if he lands a hook...Why do you think blitz ain't picked so much in tournaments?People are slightly smarter than in solo que and don't get hooked.


Don't forget about taric, taric lanes do pretty good against BC lane.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 11 2012 17:28 GMT
#2765
its a counter if you get hooked, which im sure xpecial wont
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 11 2012 17:31 GMT
#2766
Support dinger destroys crank
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 11 2012 17:31 GMT
#2767
In Xspecial we trust!
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 11 2012 18:31 GMT
#2768
On August 12 2012 02:16 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 02:12 Celial wrote:

TSM picking Sona into Blitzcrank in IPL. Isn't that a lost lane from the beginning? Every single Sona vs Blitz I have played or seen on streams went HUGELY in the favor of Blitzcrank... (ADs are Ezreal (Blitz) and Corki (Sona))

Blitz beats any lane that ain't alistar/leona if he lands a hook...Why do you think blitz ain't picked so much in tournaments?People are slightly smarter than in solo que and don't get hooked.


Or you can bait hooks as Taric. Nothing like getting pulled into stun range to start a skirmish, especially if your jungler is there.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
August 11 2012 19:19 GMT
#2769
Blitz is picked quite often in tournaments...
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 19:35:15
August 11 2012 19:29 GMT
#2770
On August 12 2012 02:12 Celial wrote:

TSM picking Sona into Blitzcrank in IPL. Isn't that a lost lane from the beginning? Every single Sona vs Blitz I have played or seen on streams went HUGELY in the favor of Blitzcrank... (ADs are Ezreal (Blitz) and Corki (Sona))



In tourneys, people do not worry about getting countered THAT much in bot lane. And while blitz pull can be game-changing for clutch kills, there's very little chance for xspecial to get grabbed because he is familiar with playing against blitz and know how to bait/evade hooks.
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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
August 11 2012 19:30 GMT
#2771
what happens when shen ults an ulting tf?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 11 2012 19:32 GMT
#2772
On August 12 2012 04:30 Celial wrote:
what happens when shen ults an ulting tf?

He appears wherever TF is when Shen's ult finishes channeling.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 11 2012 19:33 GMT
#2773
On August 12 2012 04:30 Celial wrote:
what happens when shen ults an ulting tf?

He shows up where TF is when the channel ends. What else do you think would happen?
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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
August 11 2012 19:36 GMT
#2774
dunno. thought maybe the ult cancels because tf becomes "untargettable" for a splitsecond.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 19:44:20
August 11 2012 19:38 GMT
#2775
On August 12 2012 04:36 Celial wrote:
dunno. thought maybe the ult cancels because tf becomes "untargettable" for a splitsecond.

I don't think he does. I could be mistaken, but I think the only abilities that make you "untargettable" are Shaco ult and Alpha Strike.

Edit:

These IPL Casters. "Draven has issues when Bruisers get on his face". Because a knockback/slow and a sprint that refreshes on Q isn't good escape? I honestly think he's one of the slipperiest AD carries.

Also: "Every other AD carry has a blink." MF/Kog/Varus/Ashe/Vayne? Tumble too short ranged to really be considered, imo.
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Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
August 11 2012 19:43 GMT
#2776
On August 12 2012 04:38 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 04:36 Celial wrote:
dunno. thought maybe the ult cancels because tf becomes "untargettable" for a splitsecond.

I don't think he does. I could be mistaken, but I think the only abilities that make you "untargettable" are Shaco ult and Alpha Strike.


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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 19:56:40
August 11 2012 19:46 GMT
#2777
On August 12 2012 02:06 XenOmega wrote:
I really don't know about people saying that Cait isn't late game material... She doesn't have the steroids like some other AD carry, but her range is pretty insane, and she can poke pretty well, and safely (not like Kog maw, of course). In late game, I usually use her ult like a karthus ult : either to start a fight (Karth ult is like the best way to start a fight for a tower!), or to snipe someone.

Also, W + E make the teamfights pretty interesting, and I usually am able to get 1+ hit on AD carry before they hit me, so I can win 1v1 because of that slight advantage


If Caitlyn can get a significant lead in lane (as she often can), then sure, she's ok. She can get shit done in the midgame like no other and it's not too hard to snowball her lead into a win.

The problem lies in the games where she can't get a big lead in lane, or even worse: if she's put behind. Caitlyn's lack of any real steroid means she's basically down 2-3k gold on other carries. If she falls behind she will not recover, the enemy's tankiness will outpace her damage and she will spend the entire game feeling like she does no damage.

Basically she's too risky. If you win lane, great, you have a good chance of winning the game. If you lose, well, your AD carry is only ever going to tickle. Other carries have similarly strong laning (Corki, Ezreal, Graves) while also having a more reliable late-game.


On August 12 2012 04:38 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 04:36 Celial wrote:
dunno. thought maybe the ult cancels because tf becomes "untargettable" for a splitsecond.

I don't think he does. I could be mistaken, but I think the only abilities that make you "untargettable" are Shaco ult and Alpha Strike.

Edit:

These IPL Casters. "Draven has issues when Bruisers get on his face". Because a knockback/slow and a sprint that refreshes on Q isn't good escape? I honestly think he's one of the slipperiest AD carries.

Also: "Every other AD carry has a blink." MF/Kog/Varus/Ashe/Vayne? Tumble too short ranged to really be considered, imo.


You're just being nit-picky about this. Draven does have huge issues against hard CCs and bruisers getting in his face. Why do you think he is barely played when he has by the far the highest damage of all AD carries? MF/Varus/Kog aren't played, Ashe has high range and massive utility, and you very much underestimate Tumble.
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 20:14:53
August 11 2012 20:14 GMT
#2778
M5 plays MF and clg.eu plays alot of kog.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
August 11 2012 20:18 GMT
#2779
On August 12 2012 04:38 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 04:36 Celial wrote:
dunno. thought maybe the ult cancels because tf becomes "untargettable" for a splitsecond.

I don't think he does. I could be mistaken, but I think the only abilities that make you "untargettable" are Shaco ult and Alpha Strike.


fiora ult and fizz w also make you untargettable.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
August 11 2012 20:21 GMT
#2780
On August 12 2012 05:14 Sponkz wrote:
M5 plays MF and clg.eu plays alot of kog.


Fair enough, but there are pretty obvious reasons why Kog's lack of escape is acceptable. Not so for Draven: he does do more damage than other carries, but the consensus seems to be that it's not ENOUGH more to make up for his weaknesses.
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